I guess it would be considered general sci-fi, anyhow, who has seen it? I did the other day and it was good, not a thinking movie but action and one of the summer flicks we get every year. The Raptors were smarter than ever, and at points, they were too smart to be taken seriously, and the Spinosarous was off in size and strength, but they wanted their new baddie dino to be king of the island, so they had to embellish a bit. It's better than the second movie but not quite as good as the first. I'd recommend seeing it if you want some action with the right amount of humor in it. Sam Neill is great with the humor in the movie. Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
Actually, the spino was toned DOWN a bit to make it more evenly matched with the TRex, but still stronger. The actual spino skelliton was 20 feel taller (the only skelliton was burned down decades ago in a fire)
i loved the movie, WAY better then The Lost World, but I still think the original was the best.
Posted by TLE (Member # 280) on :
AFAIR, it wasn't as big. I'll do some digging and find the actual sizes for both, but the T-Rex still holds the record for biggest walking carnivore thanks to Sue. Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
why didn't anyone run into the spino last time they were at site B, ie: lost world? it was a cool dino. the raptors are the best dino's in the movies. the anklyosaurs were cool too.
Posted by TLE (Member # 280) on :
Cause they did explain it in the movie. That was Isla Nublar (both JP and LW), this is Isla Sorna or some such. Two totally different islands. And the ankylos were a surprise to me too. I didn't know they'd pop up at all.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Isla Sorna is site B lost world was on site B. i just watched all the movies. they destroyed site A. like bombs an guns and stuff. the place is a wasteland. site A is gone.
Posted by WERUreo (Member # 662) on :
I thought that JP3 was decent. Definitely not as good as the first movie. I especially liked the bird cage. That was a great scene. Except maybe for the parasailing sequence. That was a little hard to stomach.
Also, the end was complete crap. I mean, I know they had to end the movie somehow, but that was just a weird way to end it. First off, maybe I just missed what Sam Neill's character told Laura Dern's character (I'm not good with character names), but I don't recall him telling her that he was on Isla Sorna. So her sending the military there made no sense to me.
Also, how did that other guy beat them to the shore to be picked up by the military? Especially if he was as injured as he turned out to be?
My final beef with the movie was how predictable the final scene with the Raptors was. I mean, as soon as they show the cast of the vocal chamber in the beginning, you had to know that would be put to use somewhere near the end of the movie.
Now that I've completely picked the movie apart, I still want to say that it was a good movie, and I don't think that I wasted my money seeing it. It was a lot better than Pearl Harbor or Tomb Raider, IMHO.
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
"Well in real life, the spinosaurs was an "impressive sized beast" with a unique skull and a fin running down its back. An adult spino could be quite big, actually growing to be larger than the t-rex." -http://www.dansjp3page.com/faq.asp#10
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Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
i didn't know the spino existed till JP3. i still think the raptors are the stars of all the movies.
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
agreed. the raptors are my fave.... they were wonderfully done in JP3
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
So am I the only one who thinks that the first film sucked. It was all f/x and little or know plot. It was changed from the books story to be "PC", and generally blew chunks. Bad movie, bad, bad. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Dinosaur species seen in the Three films:
1. Velociraptor 2. Pteranodon 3. Triceratops 4. Brachiosaurus 5. Parasaurolophus ("The one with the pompadour! Elvis!!!") 6. Pachycephalosaurus ("The Fat Head w/the Bald spot. Friar Tuck.") 7. Tyrannosaurus Rex 8. Spinosaurus 9. Procompsagnathus (Compys) 10. Ceratosaurus (The one in 3 with the single horn) 11. Dilophosaurus (the Spitter) 12. Stegosaurus 13. Euplocephalus (The one most people call the Ankylosaurus. I say its the relative Euplocephalus because that one was mentioned in the first book as one of the original fifteen species.) 14. Metriacanthosaurus (This one wasn't actually seen, but it was what one of the test tubes Nedry stole in the first one was labeled. Incidentally, Metriacanthosaurus was very much like Spinosaurus, only a bit smaller.) 15. Gallimimus
Additional dinosaurs from the Two novels and the junior novelisations:
(The following species are invented cross-breedings from the Chaos Effect series.)
37. Tanaconda (cross of Tanystropheous and Anaconda) 38. Compstegnathus (cross of Compsagnathus and Stegosaurus) 39. Ultimasaurus (combination of Tyrannosurus, Velociraptor, Triceratops, and Ankylosaurus) 40. Tyrannonops (cross of Tyrannosaurus and Lycenops) 41. Velocirapteryx (cross of Velociraptor and Archaeopteryx) 42. Paradeinonychus (cross of Parasaurolophus and Deinonychus) 43. Ankyloranondon (cross of Pteranodon and Ankylosaurus) 44. Amargospinus (cross of Amargosaurus and Spinosaurus)
Sorry. I'm a Dork.
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Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
from the novel, Lost World. what was the name of the dino that could blend in with it's surroundings? i can't remember the name. i thought that one was pretty neat. like a giant man eating cameleon.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
That was the Carnotaurus. The name means 'meat-eating bull.' It was a bipedal predator about 7.5m long and 3.5m tall, with two bony horns on its head. It was built sort of like T-Rex, but more compact, bulkier, with shorter, stubbier arms. Scientists don't have any evidence that hey were chameleons. Like the Dilophosaur's spitting, that was sort of a creative invention of Michael Chrichton. There's a drawing of it in the novel, on the Island overview page, along with drawings of the other dinosaurs in the book. (Except Mussaurus)
Too much info?
Anything else?
MMoM
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kosh: So am I the only one who thinks that the first film sucked. It was all f/x and little or know plot. It was changed from the books story to be "PC", and generally blew chunks. Bad movie, bad, bad.
Realy? i thought the plot was better then The Lost World, where the whole thing was pretty much based on a bad excuse to get more people on an Island.
I would put this movie inbetween TLW and the Original
JP: 9/10 TLW: 7/10 JP3: 8/10
easy enough.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Funny, I think the third is by far the worst of the bunch.
It's been a trend, IMHO. The second one wasn't quite as good as the first one, and the third one wasn't quite as good as the second one, which means it was not nearly as good as the first one, etc...
I always thought it was pretty much a given that it's the death sentence for a movie series when you have a movie based on a book, and then follow it with one that isn't, just for the sake of doing a sequel. I mean, it happened with Jaws, it happened with Planet of the Apes, it'll pobably happen with Silence of the Lambs, et. al.
And especially when Speilberg didn't direct it.
Overall, I don't think JPIII was a total waste of time. It was entertaining, but it wasn't really that good of a movie. IMHO.
I still don't get how the chick manage to get TWO amphibious carriers to rescue them.
Chick phone the military.
"Oh my god, my buddies are trapped on the dinosaur island, you must save them!"
"Do you have any prove?"
"Not really, I just got a phone with some messages that's totally messed up with background noises..."
"Will we be rescuing anyone with important value to the country?"
"I guess not, one of them is a dinosaur Prof. at some university, one of them make toliet, and we got one house wife and one student."
"Sounds good enough, we have nothing to do anyway, might as well waste a couple million bucks on these guys. We'll pick them up with TWO carriers and shitload of marines two days later"
Plus the fact that a kid no more then 16 survived in the jungle for 8 weeks is corny.
Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
The first movie was great because it resurrected and improved the "survival" movie genre greatly, coupled with showing state of the art CGI of dinosaurs from the new generation of blue screens. It was bound to succeed.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
BlueElectron:
I think she probably phoned Hammond or somebody at InGen, etc, who could actually get the military to do something.
But yes, it was a bit corny.
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
I disliked the first one enough to skip the second alltogether. I should not have read thre bok first, I couldn't put it down, and got a little to worked up for the movie.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Well first, guys, Ellie Satler's husband was in the STATE DEPARTMENT. She mentioned that to Grant. That's how she was able to get US troops to Isla Sorna. Now, I was thinking ever since the movie was conceived that they would go back to Isla Nublar. But it was Sorna. In the book of JP, it is bombed back to the Jurassic period. And likewise, all these people live: Muldoon, Gennaro; and Wu and Hammond get eaten. It's a lot different. They reused some stuff from the first books in JP3, which is the second best of the series. Still, they are all good films (JP1 is the best). Any thoughts on JP4? (Spielberg said he liked this one so much, a fourth is in the works).
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
I'd like to see the return of Jeff Goldblum. I hope it doesn't become like the original Planet of the Apes film series getting worse each passing sequel.
Posted by Jeff The Card (Member # 411) on :
...I haven't yet seen the third flick.
But I HATED the second one. What a HORRIBLE movie. ICK. UGH. Yicky. My hated for TLW actually came about with the novel: they kill off Ian Malcolm in the first one, then he's just "miraculously" brought back to life? EWWWW. Horrible book, even worse movie.
Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
The only person with enough power to mobilize a military expedition forces in such a short notice without the consent of the American public is the president of the United State. And even if a person does have a connection with the president, which is highly unlikely, I dought the president will make such an order, because he cannot rationalize such decision to the general public.
Imagine a Whitehouse conference:
"Mr. President, why have you send a fleet of two carriers to the restricted zone of the dinasour island and waste millions of dollars on fuel, supply and thousand of man-hours?"
"Cuz some friends of my friend of my friend got trapped there for some dumbass reasons."
"Are they SIGNIFICANT or ESSENTIAL to our country in anyway?"
"Not really..."
"Is there any POLITICAL reason involve here that intervine with our nation's agenda?"
"Not quite..."
"Then, may I ask you this sir, WHY THE HELL ARE WE DOING THIS?"
"ahhh....hmmmm....ahhh.....cuz my friend told me so?"
I don't care who's husband is working with state department, or the damn corporation that build the place got involved, they simply do not have the power to do anything, and even if they have the power, they don't have the right answer to the public, and public opinion is everything my friend, without it, you'll end up knee deep in shit.
Posted by Jeff The Card (Member # 411) on :
Um.
??
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Um, Jeff, we're talking about how Ellie's husband in the State Department was able to get some aircraft carriers to the island at the end of JP3.
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
-Or- the fleet was passing near the islands when the call for help arrived. The military is obligated to help those in need. This situation would qualify as such.
The US government, in this movie and the last, seem to be ambivalent in its opinion of the islands. They seem to be helpful of the creatures, but would like to deal with the islands as little as possible.
One of the mysteries of the film is who or what ate the crew of the parasail boat. I know that originally that there were going to be sea-dinosaurs. However, this idea was nixed. I don't believe that sea-dinosaurs could be replicated and modified like the other dinosaurs. The other dinosaurs are land based dinosaurs that would have been good food for an hungry fly. Where would an hungry fly get the oppurtunity to drink the blood of a sea-dinosaur?
I work at a retail store, see name. While there, I notice that the toys for this third film represent characters or vehicles not seen or mentioned in the film. One of the toys is a general and several military vehicles. I think that in a previous script of the film, the military may have had a greater role in the film.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
A little kid surviving for 8 weeks is a little corny. but a nine year old Anakin Skywalker building, and racing a podracer at 400+ MPH, then getting into a starfighter he's never seen before, and blowing up a giant battleship. NOW THAT"S CORNY!!!
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
No, that's ludicrous.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
But, in comparison to Jar Jar... I think the dinosur that ate the boat crew in the beginning of JP3 was the Spinosaurus. They've established it can swim in water (or at least wade in it). And that dinosaur was the "star" dinosaur of the movie, so it would most likely be one. Also, did anyone else notice that Cartosaurus or whatever it was called, the red chameleon thing with the horn on it's snout, come out, look at the group, and then go back in the bushes? I wonder why they added it in.
Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
A commander of a vessel does not have the power to change the pre-determined course set out for the pre-determined assignment unless an order has been issue from way higher level of the government (in this case the president).
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Um...why do you think ships have commanders?
Anyway, what the heck is the problem? Oh no, some military units performed a rescue operation. My god, such a thing is utterly unprecidented in the history of the world!
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
LOL, Sol System!
We never did figure out what ate the ship crew in TLW, did we?
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Gotta agree about the low survival probability for the kid.
If either my teenager or 11 year-old had to live without Nintendo for more than a day, we'd see cardiac failure...
Posted by Constantly Disappearing (Member # 280) on :
I think there's plenty of precedent for any military to go do a rescue operation if they're in the vicinty, pre-determined destinations or not (to think of it, they'd have to have one though, what else would they be doing, just touring the seas as the currents took them? ;p).
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
They shouldn't have been on the island in the first place. They went to save their son. Now all we had to do was send in some troops and Jesse Jackson. Posted by Stingray (Member # 621) on :
"to think of it, they'd have to have one though, what else would they be doing, just touring the seas as the currents took them? ;p)."
Uh...its called a patrol...
Posted by Constantly Disappearing (Member # 280) on :
But they'd have a perimeter to patrol right? They don't just wander around listlessly.
Posted by Stingray (Member # 621) on :
if I were in charge of the Navy (and god willing someday I will be ), I would absolutely make sure I had a coupla megatons worth of firepower patrolling the dinosaur islands.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
They should've dropped Robert Duvall on the island! He would've cleaned them out!
Scene from JP III:Redux Duvall(as Colonel Kilgore): I love the smell of napalm in the morning. (Cut to a shot of planes nuking a raptor nest) Duvall: The smell of victory!
Woo-hoo!
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Posted by Nimpim (Member # 205) on :
Just saw it, why did Sam Neill call the spinosaur something else, a much longer name? It ended with "aeghyptis" or something...
The "superpredator" duel was the best scene in the movie, IMO. I hate how they PG-13'd all the human-deaths, like Raptors really would snap a fallen humans neck instead of just biting his throat out. In JP-I they bit Samuel L. Jackson's arm off, damnit! And paraded around with it, only to place it on Laura Dern's shoulder, a very neat gesture.
That annoying wife really filled the crybaby role of that previous, flashlight-waving little girl in the first movie, oh how I wanted her devoured!!
And another spineless character by William H. Macy. God he's pathetic!
But explain this to me. Why in the hell did the para-gliding guy, who'd videofilmed both himself and the "MacGyver"-kid hanging in the tree, still hang in the tree after eight weeks, dead? He'd clearly been alive and well when releasing the boy from the parachute-harness, then he should've released himself and gotten underway. Didn't the boy try to help him get down at all?
And I'd really expected the soldiers in the end to mow a bunch of attacking dino's down like WWI trenchfighting, damn pussies for not including that. Those amphibian ships had the coolest twin-barrel cannons on the nose.
Posted by Free ThoughtCrime America (Member # 480) on :
In fact, why was the guy hanging in the tree with all the hungry dinosaurs roaming around in a movie that shouldn't even have been made?
I do hope that the army vs. dinosaurs thing will happen in Jurassic Park 4, because that's the only thing I ever want to see involving dinosaurs in movies again. Dawn of the Dead, but with dinosaurs. Dawn of the Dinos. You know? End of the Sapien Epoch, or what have you.
Especially sense that dragon movie of the summer failed me so horribly. I have this poster with a f-15 attacking a dragon that so needs to be made into a movie scene that it hurts.
Not much, but it does hurt.
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
quote: Originally posted by Nimpim: Just saw it, why did Sam Neill call the spinosaur something else, a much longer name? It ended with "aeghyptis" or something...
Full scientific name of the critter, genus and species. Just like Tyrannosaurus rex. I always thought he was testing his student, trying to see what he knew.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
dude! they could make it just like those cards i collected as a kid! dinos killing people brutally, but every once in a while grandma has a rocket launcer! my god these movies have gotten bad.
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
Jesus this thread is old.
Posted by Nimpim (Member # 205) on :
Not any longer! And there's a lot that can branch out from this topic. Watch me! *swoops cape while running to threadspawning cave*
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my god these movies have gotten bad.