Okay, who else saw this past Friday's episode of Stargate SG-1 on SciFi Channel? Warning, there might be $poiler$ below....
Basically, a trio of scientists get involved in an SG-1 mission, but the writers wanted to make these guys as geeky and socially inept as possible. Because of this, of course at least two of them are extreme Star Trek geeks. One of them even says something like "Don't tell me you don't kneel at the altar of Roddenberry!" My wife and I thought it was absolutely hilarious, despite the fact that I'm a self-proclaimed ST geek. (My wife is too, but she won't admit it. )
ANYWAY, at one point we see a snake head's throne room. Above his throne, we see a wall adorned with many weapons and knives. One very large blade is placed prominently in the center just above the throne. My wife and I recognized it immediately. It was a Klingon Bat'telh! With all the Star Trek references throughout the episode, this had to be intentionally placed by someone on the production staff. It was, in a word, priceless.
B.J. Olejnik
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I've been meaning to start a Stargate thread.
Incidently, it seems you may have missed the biggest Trek reference of them all, namely that John Billingsley was playing one of the scientists.
Also, I don't want to go off on a rant here, but when did O'Neill go from saying things that were irreverent but funny to things that were stupid? "Look, we are being unexpected and off the wall. It is crazy and hip to your demographic!" They may as well replace him with Poochy.
Posted by ThoughtPyminal (Member # 480) on :
O'neill started becoming an moron sometime mid-way through the first season.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
"YOU... ended that sentence with a preposition! Bastard."
Personally, I think O'Neil's lines are the best part of the show. But that's just my sense of humor.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Or, more properly, your lack thereof.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
*THWAP*
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
That episode was great. What do you guys think of season 6 so far?
Seriously, I'm a bigger Statgate fan then Star Trek now. times change i guess.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I'm still a bigger Trek fan than SG-1 fan. I just think SG-1 is the better show...
What do I think of season six? Fantastibulous. Stunningish. Never going to see it. SG-1 in Finland will drop dead at the end of season three, just like TNG and VOY and DS9 did. TNG was saved by the founding of an all new channel that showed the remaining seasons. The others I had to see using less than legal means.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
I've catched the occasional episode here and there (broadcasts are highly chaotic in nature, unpredictably jumping from one season to the next). Strong points for me are the show's good character development, internal consistency, interesting storylines, great deal of action, and last but not least, excellent effects. SG's often underrated, IMO.
Posted by ThoughtPyminal (Member # 480) on :
Timo, why don't you, uh, just get somebody to tape it for you, and slip them some cash for their trouble? No need to go illegal for a tv show.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I've got one maybe major complaint to lodge against season six, come to think of it. Possible spoilers, so gird thyself!
Anyway, I missed most of season five. And most of season four, come to think of it. But anyway, I tune in for season six, and all of a sudden, a runabout-sized craft equipped with standard SG-1-universe FTL drive can go from planet to planet in a few hours. Excuse me? Weren't slow FTL drives the whole point of the show? I mean, now the Gou'ald are skipping about from planet to planet in their ships in a single commercial break, and it seems to me that there isn't really any point in their even using the gates anymore. They can travel almost as fast without it, and they can bring much larger guns. And this doesn't seem to be a plot point, the characters have all just sort of accepted this as business as usual.
Posted by ThoughtPyminal (Member # 480) on :
I think the Gou'ald stole the FTL drive from the Little Grey Men aliens.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Umm, the origins of the Goa'uld FTL drives have not been revealed. But it seems they have a wide range of starship types now. And Teal'c in the first season was not aware of the superfast stardrives that got Apophis to Earth in a matter of hours, yet he is familiar with several of these mid-size starships, which now fly at those superfast speeds.
So perhaps the faster drive is a new invention. Or a new acquisition, if the Goa'uld are incapable of invention. Or then the various System Lords just don't like to share their technologies with each other, or even inform their Jaffas of them. That *would* be very Goa'uld. Perhaps Apophis got the faster drive from a rival after Teal'c defected? Or dusted it off when he finally got a real adversary after a millennia-long break? Teal'c would have been trained during that break.
In any case, the existence of FTL ships as an alternative to stargates has *always* been a plot point, or at least ever since "The Nox". Our heroes are always keen to point out that burying the gate will not protect a planet from the Goa'uld. The stargates simply are the poor man's alternative, and the Earthlings are poor men. They have a grand total of zero FTL ships in their possession, although they still stubbornly try to build those out of the shipwrecks they obtain.
In fact, the existence of FTL ships would help explain why the Goa'uld don't use or guard their gates more actively (like, hey, Chulak was supposedly the main feodal holding of Apophis originally, yet ZERO guards at the gate!). So it's an underlying premise that keeps SG-1 going!
Timo Saloniemi
P.S. Buying tapes is pretty expensive if you want to collect an entire multi-season show. So we did it in groups. And with a big enough group, watching the tapes from a big screen, that comes a bit too close to "commercially distributing" the tapes. If every one of us watched the tape alone at home, it would wear down completely before the last one got to it... Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I don't have a problem with previous uses of FTL ships. This is good and proper. But in season 6, these ships are ubiquitous, and all of them are superfast, or so it seems to me. Everyone has them. I can think of more than a few episodes whose plots hinged on "Yes, the Asgard/Tok'ra/other could send a ship to rescue us, but it takes months and we've only got a few days." Now it's hours instead of days, and our runabouts can get from Chulak to Anubis HQ in about twenty minutes.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote: Buying tapes is pretty expensive if you want to collect an entire multi-season show.
I think they mean "get someone to tape it and then buy the tapes off of them". If you look around, there are loads of internet sites dedicated to just that sort of thing, and many don't charge more than the cost of the blank tape.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
BTW, the fact that Simon posted an amusing comment, and then FOLLOWED IT UP WITHA GRINNING SMILIE has destroyed pretty much everything that has ever been in my soul ever. I...I'm actually crying.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Umm, we didn't actually feed the ParaBorg - the source of the DS9 and VOY tapes for us was a bunch of fellow enthusiasts in the UK. Still, it wouldn't have been commercially viable for individuals to buy the hundreds of hours of tapes, whereas it was quite affordable to do it as a Trek club, and then watch the tapes as a Trek club. And pretend that we weren't paying for the tickets but were merely funding a nonprofit organization which happened to show some noncommercial tapes for free along with its "other" activities.
There's a certain charm to sitting six to eight hours straight in a big dark theater with 150 other nutcases and watching a selection of TV sci-fi's proudest moments. Or Space:1999. We even had nights dedicated to Teletubbies and Duracell bunny commercials at one point (I'm not kidding!). Ah, those were the days...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Aww, the horror of living at the edge of out planet (Europe). Last night I've taped the premiere of the second part of Summit while I've already seen most of season 6, the last episode included (praise the internet, fellow non-U.S.-fans...!)
I liked that show, but I didn't see the Bat'leth. I have to watch that part again I think. I really don't know what's going on with the Tok'ra. That Tok'ra being the undercover System Lord guy was really good, but of course he was already dead by the beginning of the last act.
My season favourite was Abyss, btw, but Billingley was hillarious. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Timo: I think you mean the Energizer bunny. Unless something is very wrong w/ the commercials you get in Europe...
Also, couldn't people copy the tapes you get? For example, someone copies the tape that's sent from overseas. Then they lend that copy to someone, and that person make a copy. Then that person lends their copy to someone to make a copy. And so on until everyone has a copy. That way, no single tape gets used over and over again, thus getting worn out.
Posted by BJ_O (Member # 858) on :
Sol: Actually, I didn't miss the fact that Billingsley was in it, I just forgot to mention it. Although he seemed a lot shorter here than as Phlox. Not quite sure why that is, unless he's standing on a milk crate in Enterprise. His "Trekkie" routine in the show was hilarious, especially being emphatic about correcting his coworker who called his convention outfit Klingon when he was quite obviously a Vulcan! (Not seen onscreen, though. THAT would have made me fall out of my chair!)
B.J.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Also, couldn't people copy the tapes you get? For example, someone copies the tape that's sent from overseas. Then they lend that copy to someone, and that person make a copy. Then that person lends their copy to someone to make a copy. And so on until everyone has a copy. That way, no single tape gets used over and over again, thus getting worn out.
They COULD, but after about four generations with your average VCRs it'd become unwatchable.
Posted by ThoughtPyminal (Member # 480) on :
Do people often get busted for buying tapes of Star Trek over there? What's the prison term for that, anyway?
Somehow I think you'll be okay...I doubt a group of geeks gathered to exhaustively examine transporter protocols on "pirate" tapes is a major concern of INTERPOL.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
"You see them over there? They're retransmitting Major League Baseball with implied ORAL concent, not express WRITTEN concent."
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
There's something ticklin' me funny bone what with Omega saying "oral concent" and all. Or maybe my dirty ol' mind is foolin' with me again.
Anyway, from personal experience, making copies from copies on VCRs isn't going to work well. Just think back to TNG's "Up the Ladder" with the genetically engineered colony that kept cloning its clones.
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
One of these could solve that problem.
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
I wish Enterprise was more like SG1, The character development in SG1 is perfect.
Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :
I don't watch SG1, so I'm not up to the date with all the stuff. So,
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Who/What are they going to replace Daniel with? Have they? Has he already died or whatnot?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I believe he did some sort of metaphysical ascension dealie in season 5, and they replaced him w/ some random guy.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Jonas...Quinn, I think, thus proving the producers listened to too much Weezer while in college.
Maybe not Quinn. Q something.
Anyway, he isn't too bad.
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Although he seemed a lot shorter here than as Phlox. Not quite sure why that is, unless he's standing on a milk crate in Enterprise. His "Trekkie" routine in the show was hilarious, especially being emphatic about correcting his coworker who called his convention outfit Klingon when he was quite obviously a Vulcan! (Not seen onscreen, though.