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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nimpim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,17,7,50,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 17, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:50 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The lowdown, my stance.<br /><br />Dinosaurs don't shriek and roar when attacking/pursuing prey, this was added for drama. Just like modern predators (tigers, wolves), dinosaurs would've been damn silent until they had subdued the prey. A tiger doesn't hate its prey, it's not angry at it, in fact, it loves to taste it and drag it home to the family. <br /><br />The only time a raptor or T-Rex would need to roar and bellow is, like any other animal, when being challenged to a duel for leadership or over mating with a female, not when trying to eat ONE human.<br /><br />There's also a debate as to <i>how</i> the dinos sounded. I read an article by some asian paleontologist a couple of years ago, he claims the T-Rex's larynx didn't permit it to roar like in JP, more like shriek or peep, like modern big birds and lizards.<br /><br />What do you people think? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Hobbes</b> <br /><small>Member # 138</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,17,8,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 17, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:20 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think it was a movie and done for dramatic reasons. Sometimes you gotta remember it's just a movie made for ENTERTAINMENT, not a documentary going for 100% accuracy. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nimpim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,17,9,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 17, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:10 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Actually, I was expecting the dino buffs to challenge my statements, I mean we all know it's "just a movie". <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>EdipisReks</b> <br /><small>Member # 510</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,17,12,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 17, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:37 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> no, it's not "just a movie". it's also a book, and several bad video games. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Free ThoughtCrime America</b> <br /><small>Member # 480</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,17,14,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 17, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:32 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It probably was more of a high pitched scream than a rumbly bass roar, due to the relatively narrow area of it's throat, and large sinuses. A peep wouldn't sound right, considering the vast area the lungs took up in a Rex's chest cavity. Lizards peep because they can't force much air out their throats.<br /><br />Velociraptors were much smaller than they were depicted in Jurassic Park. Those were more likely smallish Utahraptors. V-raptors were only max three feet tall. That was a well known goof for the dinosaur buffs, but they blew it off as part of the story...the dinos were mutants, after all. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Proteus</b> <br /><small>Member # 212</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,17,16,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 17, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:37 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Hobbes:<br /><strong>I think it was a movie and done for dramatic reasons. Sometimes you gotta remember it's just a movie made for ENTERTAINMENT, not a documentary going for 100% accuracy.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>darkwing_duck1</b> <br /><small>Member # 790</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,17,16,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 17, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Free ThoughtCrime America:<br /><strong>Velociraptors were much smaller than they were depicted in Jurassic Park. Those were more likely smallish Utahraptors. V-raptors were only max three feet tall. That was a well known goof for the dinosaur buffs, but they blew it off as part of the story...the dinos were mutants, after all.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Indeed, the Utahraptor (a Velociraptor relative, IIRC) was first discovered and described shortly after the first film came out. (I remember an interview with Speilburg mentioning it.)<br /><br />You'll note that the appearance of JPs raptors changed subtly in III, appearing more "Velociraptor-ish". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Wraith</b> <br /><small>Member # 779</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,18,5,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 18, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:19 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The 'raptors' are closer in size to Deinonychus or Dromeosaurus (probable spelling mistake). Utahraptor was taller. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Identity Crisis</b> <br /><small>Member # 67</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,18,8,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 18, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:19 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Natural History Museum (London) web site has a very useful Dino-Directory.<ul><li><a href="http://flood.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/dino/detail.dsml?Genus=Velociraptor" target="dino">Velociraptor</a></li><li><a href="http://flood.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/dino/detail.dsml?Genus=Deinonychus" target="dino">Deinonychus</a></li><li><a href="http://flood.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/dino/detail.dsml?Genus=Dromaeosaurus" target="dino">Dromaeosaurus</a></li><li><a href="http://flood.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/dino/detail.dsml?Genus=Utahraptor" target="dino">Utahraptor</a></li></ul>Deinonychus is the closest to the JP Raptors. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nimpim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,19,3,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 19, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:10 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> EdipisReks: "no, it's not "just a movie". it's also a book, and several bad video games."<br /><br />You misunderstand. The statement was made to emphasize on the fact that the JP <i>movie</i> was just a movie, and therefor, not to be taken too dinobuffly. On the other side, there's this part of me that really wants to nitpick and learn, so let us embrace the buffing verily!<br /><br />Proteus, why did you just quote Hobbes? What was the purpose of that???<br /><br />Thanks for the links, IC, they're great! The Utahraptor is now my new favorite! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nimpim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,19,3,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 19, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:53 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Just checked that directory at NHM, did the Carcharodontosaurus really have a very long tail? The artist's rendering had it bending its tail at least 90 degrees... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Identity Crisis</b> <br /><small>Member # 67</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,19,6,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 19, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:13 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nimpim:<br /><strong>Just checked that directory at NHM, did the Carcharodontosaurus really have a very long tail? The artist's rendering had it bending its tail at least 90 degrees...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Artists are artists...<br /><br />My books say that whilst several specimans of C. have been found none of them are complete, and tail vertebrae are not listed amongst the known parts. So it's probable that we don't know how long, or how flexible, the tail was.<br /><br />However, I agree that the picture is probably inaccurate in that respect. The scale outline shows a much more typical theropod tail. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Identity Crisis</b> <br /><small>Member # 67</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,19,6,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 19, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:13 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> B***er. Double post. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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