Firstly I'd like to apologise if I am repeating old stuff - tried the search but it came up with nothing.
OK, the question(s):
What is all this stuff about P4C-970? I've been catching up on my taped episodes of Stargate (the latest 2 - keep forgeting to set the damned video) and I don't get the reference to it. Which episode did they go to that place and why is it significant that they don't go there?
If someone could please enlighten me I'd appreciate it as I plan on joining my new local video store and renting the videos/DVDs and do a lot of catching up (like from the start).
Gateworld is basically *the* place to go for your SG-1 needs.
Mark
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
If this is Pre season 6 "The Other Guys" I might be able to help.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I thought this was one of the cooler continuing storylines. I thought it was neat how these guys kept popping up. I haven't seen any of the most current episodes, so I don't knwo if they pop up again or not.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Oh! That episode! I think that I saw the ending of that. How could I have forgotten it?
Thank folks!
I still intend to go back and watch it all from the beginning - catch up on all the fun! Posted by Commander Dan (Member # 558) on :
Can someone tell me whatever happened to the Antarctic DHD? The last time I saw it was in the second season episode Touchstone. I would have thought that it would have been secured along with the Antarctic gate, yet in the fifth season episode 48 Hours, the SGC borrows the Russian DHD.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The Russian DHD they borrowed was the DHD from the original Stagate recovered at Giza. The Russians got it from the Germans at the end of the war.
I'm not sure what happened to the Antarctic DHD, as I've not seen all the episodes. However, I believe the Russians have the DHD to the Stargate that the SGC is currently using. Therefore they would need the correct DHD to operate their gate.
I think.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Nope; they made a goof in "48 Hours" by forgetting they had the Antarctic DHD, and made an offhand comment in a later episode that they had it, but that it had degraded and run out of power in the interm (since the NID last used it).
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
So, can any DHD run any Stargate, or do you have to have a matching pair?
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I don't think it's ever come up. We don't tote gates around THAT often.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Fair point.
Well, at least they corrected the 48 Hours flub later on.
Anyone ever notice that, in the movie, not only is there no DHD on Abydos, but there is no means whatsoever of dialing out. But then, in the series, there is a DHD in the center of the room where the Gate is located.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Assuming that the Gate Room on Abidos is about the size of the base of a pyramid - there is plenty of room for one in an ante chamber (supposition).
Or it might have been destroyed.
Either might make sense, as Ra wouldn't want his slaves accessing the system.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Well, if Ra had destroyed the DHD, how did they dial out to leave at the end?
BTW, the book continuity is kinda vague on it as far as I've read, but it looks like in them you just manually turn the wheel and lock the chevrons by hand. How exactly you're supposed to reach the one that's 25' in the air, I really don't know. The original creators of the movie didn't think that part out too well, apparently.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
What DHD did they use in that episode where Teal'c gets stuck in transit? Was it the "matching" one?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Nope; at the time they were using the Antarctic gate, which they eventually lost at the top of season 6. The Russians had the Giza gate in cold storage, not being able to afford their own program.
The (inferior IMO) novels usually mentioned someone merely "realigning" the gate without really explaining how. But in order to fit the DHD into the movie continuity, it could always have been merely tucked around a corner or in a closet somewhere. There is no physical connection between the gate and DHD, and both can be moved pretty much at will (see "Touchstone" for when the DHD was used from the back of a truck!). There's probably a range limit of some sort, but this is hardly explored. the SGC has complete plans for the DHD courtesy of the super smart O'Neil in "The Fifth Race", but no means to build one themselves. Only the Tollans have shown the ability to build new stargates.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hmmm... yes... and the SGC has Carter's super computer to power their gate, though it's been pointed out several times that a DHD would be better and safer and would automatically compensate for stellar drift like the computer does.
So... now that the DHD was destoryed in 48 hours, we've got the Antarctic (Beta) Gate in the SGC, the Alpha Gate from Giza stored in Russia and not being used, a destroyed Alpha DHD from Giza, and an out-of-power Beta DHD stored at Area 51.
I guess that does suggest that any DHD can power any Gate. However, both the Alpha and Beta Gates were located on Earth...
Here's a question... Now that the SGC is using the Beta Gate, is the unique seventh symbol for Earth different than it was on the Alpha Gate? They suggested that it might be in the episode where they found the second gate, but I've never been able to tell if it actually is.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Yeah, the ep where they found the Beta gate they mentioned that the origin symbol was different. But the SGC is using the Alpha gate now. Beta was destroyed by Anubis.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Ok... see.. i've missed too many recent-ish eps to be able to comment intelligently, I think.
Here's the history of the Gate that I know:
SGC is using Alpha Gate at the start of the series.
Beta Gate discovered in Antarctica and stored at Area 51 along with its DHD.
Beta Gate used for illegal offworld activities by NID personnel.
SG-1 beams alpha gate up to asgard ship as it's going into earth's atmosphere to escape. Alpha Gate presumed destroyed and Beta gate hooked up in the SGC to bring SG-1 home.
Russians discover Alpha Gate in ocean and connect Alpha DHD. They begin their own program which is eventually shut down and the Alpha GAte is mothballed.
This is where my knowledge drops off and this must be where Anubis destroys the Beta Gate and the Russians lease the Alpha Gate to the SGC...right?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Bang on.
Regarding the unique symbols, this is one of the things that the TV series tends to ignore. The Beta gate SHOULD have had different symbols including a unique "home" symbol, but this is ignored. Typically these days, they just assume that most symbols are the same, and if not, then the LOCATIONS of the symbols ar the same. So addresses still work regardless of what the symbols look like. Occasionally we see different symbols on the DHD (never on the gate, though - they only have two gate props, the spinning one in the gateroom set and their "portable" non-spinning field prop), but they're always mixed in with known symbols. So Jackson's translation of the gate symbols in the movie don't exactly work int he TV series.
Want a little Gate fun? Try this ultra-cool gate OS simultaor:
Jackson's translation of the gate symbols in the movie don't exactly work int he TV series.
O'Neil was right: Jackson was, in fact, full of shit.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I think I've downloaded that file before and you're right... it is way cool.
In the movie, the Abydos Gate had a completely different set of symbols than the Earth Gate, IIRC. But we can just ignore that.
Here's the wuestion I never got a solid answer for: Which Gate was active on Earth the earliest, the Giza Gate (which was buried by the Egyptians after driving Ra off Earth) or the Antarctic Gate which was covered in ice.
I've always assumed that the Ant. Gate was in use first and then abandoned during som kind of continental shift which moved it into a frigid climate. Then the Giza Gate was set up and that's the one that the Go'auld eventually began using. I don't think it was ever really explained, but I was pretty sure we had some solid theories.
Posted by Commander Dan (Member # 558) on :
Agreed. The gate simulator is pretty cool.
I also would have thought that the Antarctic gate was here first, probably put here by the original gate builders (as Dr. Jackson theorized in Solitudes). If the gate was covered by ice or otherwise made inactive before Ra arrived, then Ra may have placed the Giza gate on Earth not knowing of the other’s existence.
There are several discrepancies between the movie and the series, with the whole gate symbol issue being one of them. Based on the movie, one would have to decipher the symbols on each and every gate before one could dial home.
Also, the Earth gate in the movie does not quite look the same as on the TV show. The chevrons on the gate in the movie do not illuminate, and the “seventh” chevron on top (yeah, I know, there are actually 9) is slightly different than the rest, as it “frames” the symbol directly underneath it. (Just look at the gate graphic printed on the DVDs. It more closely resembles the “movie” gate.)
Another thing that always bugged me is how there is a “vortex” behind the movie gate, whereas the TV gate’s wormhole is totally flat on both sides. The only time a vortex such as this has been shown on the TV series is in A Mater of Time. Personally, I like the “vortex” effect better, as it makes more scientific sense to me: It seems that the wormhole should taper to the point of a singularity. (And, it just looks cooler!)
Additionally, we get a couple of glimpses of the “alien” Ra in the movie, and this totally contradicts the TV series’ snake-like Goa'ulds.
I also wondered why in the movie, they simply did not turn the gate on at Earth for the purposes of communicating with O’Neill and his team.
I really do not have a problem with Jackson “miraculously” finding the DHD shortly after O’Neill and his team returned to Earth (Children of the Gods). It is reasonable to assume that Ra hid or attempted to destroy the DHD (without actually destroying the gate) to ensure that the Abydonians did not escape through the gate. Also, it may be reasonable to assume that in the movie, O’Neill’s team brought some kind of power source with them in order to power the gate and dial home.
[ May 02, 2003, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: Commander Dan ]
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
No... it's not unreasonable to assume they brought a power source. According to the series time line, Carter probably would've been working on the Gate for a little while before the events of the movie, so they probably knew a little bit about it anyway. They had, after all, figured out how to power their own Gate. And we've seen in other episodes that the Gate can be dialed and locked by hand if necessary.
Question... were there 9 chevron markers on the movie Gate like there are on the series Gate? Obviously only 7 were used, but only 7 are generally used in the series too...
Posted by Commander Dan (Member # 558) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Question... were there 9 chevron markers on the movie Gate like there are on the series Gate? Obviously only 7 were used, but only 7 are generally used in the series too...
I have tried freeze-framing scenes from the movie on my DVD player specifically to determine this. The problem is, there does not seem to be any scenes that give us a good solid view of the bottom of the gate. Even so, it does appear that there are 9 chevrons on the movie gate.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yup, there are nine chevrons on the movie and series props - and this is one of the sources of debate in the SG1 fandom.
We know that there is an EITHER chevron that can be activated with a little know how. The Asgard inhabit another galaxy, and in "The Fifth Race" the super-smarted O'Neil built a doodad to activate it. The eighth chevron is kinda like an "area code" for at least one other galaxy, though it has never been used other than to get to the Asgard. As for the ninth chevron, there has been speculation for tis use as a time machine or a portal to other dimensions, concepts that exist in the SG1 universe. However, there is no proof of any of this.
The gate requires a LOT of power to operate. In the series, later seasons see them often bring a naquadah generator to power the gate in case the DHD doesn't work. It's SOP for them to confirm a DHD before anyone goes anywhere - without a DHD, it's a whole lot tougher to get home, especially if there's no army trucks or lightning bolts around.
Mark
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Um... the gate was run off a car battery in "1969". Doesn't take THAT much power.
Question: what happens if you go through the "back" of a stargate? I mean, presumably there's a front with the spinning wheel, but... what's the other side look and act like? Could someone defeat the iris on our gate just by walking through the other side of their own?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Answer: Unknown. It's never been mentioned in the series, but most people seem to think it it'd have a similar result to standing in front of it when it activates. Rather messy.
As for "1969", the army trucks were running with the pedal down for quite some time. It *does* take a lot of energy to unlock the gate - the naquadah generators can pump a lot of energy through in a short time, much like the DHD does under normal circumstances. Hence why they tote one along on most missions.
Mark
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The age of the Antarctic gate was established as 50 million years in "Frozen". Back then, the Goa'uld should have had no reason to frequent the place, as there were no sentient bipeds around to serve as hosts...
...Unless we buy the rest of the claims in "Frozen", about cyclic human evolution. but Ra would probably still have been among the first Goa'uld to come pester Earth. His "alien" appearance in his dying moments could be attributed to extreme old-age withering, similar to what happened to the host of Apophis when the symbiont died, but faster.
The vortex not being flat was probably a tuning error on the original Earth gate setup, much like the seismic tremors or the frosting. I do wonder about going through the wrong side of the gate, though. The location prop at least has clearly asymmetric sides, so an experienced user shouldn't get confused - but many of the "temples" or "platforms" that mount the location prop still make it possible for an inexperienced user to walk in through the wrong side.
As for the power issue, stargates were apparently built to be user-friendly. They can be dialed and powered up even in the most primitive of conditions, given enough ingenuity. Based on this, one would assume they'd be tolerant of the user error of walking in from the wrong side, too. They aren't complex deathtraps - they are more like public transportation for John Doe the Stupider.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I guess I've always imagined that if you walked through the back of the Stargate while it was on you'd simply appear right in front of the event horizon on the correct side. Stepping back through, then would take you through the wormhole. The wormhole travels through subspace (or whatever the SG-1 equivilant expression is) so I doubt it would be in any way accessable from the wrong side. Like Timo said, they're not meant to be death traps.
Now... correct me if I'm wrong, but, while we've never seen someone go through the back side of the gate, haven't we seen someone *look* through the back side? In other words, someone standing on the back side look through the gate at things on the front side. I could've sworn we have and that it was like looking through slightly rippling colored glass. But I could be thinking of something else.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yup. Second season, in "Prisoners". When Hammond and the SG-9 commander step through, they merely vanish. And in "Message in a Bottle", NanO'Neil is seen from the other side placing the alien ark into the event horizon.
And regarding the flat vortex in the movie, Timo may be onto something - in the movie on Abydos, the gate there seemed backed against a wall. If there were a vortex formed there, then the back wall shouldn't be so close.
Or we can more logically accept that the vortex CGI would simply be cheaper to animate as flat than flushed. On the flip side, I for one am quite glad that they never changed the original gate traveling sequence - that would just make it wierd.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I found it interesting to learn on one of the documentaries that, early on, the vortex effect was created by filming a jet engine turn on under water. Later on, they switched to CGI. I just thought that was cool.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Sorry I have been staying away from this thread in-case of season 6 (past "The Other Guys") and season 7 spoilers. Are there any in this thread - at all?
Anyway I just saw one post about the Antarctic gate. It had nothing to do with the Goa'uld. The Stargate network was set-up by the Ancients. The Goa'uld just found the tech and exploited it. Maybe they specifically brough the Giza Gate to Earth or maybe they sent a Jaffa through to the Earth Co-ordinates when there was only the Ice-cave and gave up. Or possibly it was superceeded by the Giza gate - although the Antarctic gate DID have DHD as well (so that would have been the over-riding gate for Earth. BUT it *DID* have a different 'home' chevron/glyph for some reason.
Andrew
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
It's not sure if the Goa'uld knew about the Antarctic gate - but it is sure they did use it, even if just by accident. "Frozen" mentions several Jaffa corpses all around the gate. IIRC, no estimate is given to their age, as opposed to giving the ages of the gate and the possible
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Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well... the Ancients would have had to have developed space travel before Stargate travel. They would have had to have set up the Stargate network before being able to use it.
Now... in the Ep where they discovered the Beta Gate, someone asks Teal'c what would happen if a Gate on an important planet became unusable, or something. He responds by saying that the Goaul'd would bring another, I believe. So, it would seem that the Giza gate is not originally from Earth but was brought after the Beta Gate became non-functional. Perhaps a cave in or glacier shift covered the Gate trapping and killing the Jaffa.
Man... I was I had this ep on DVD... anyone know of a site that would have the script of this episode?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Sorry can't help you out about scripts Aban. Can anyone tell me if my question about any season 6 or 7 spoilers are in this thread?
There also has to be a way for some of the other Goa'uld to leave earth AFTER the Giza rebellion (as mentioned by Daniel Jackson). Some of them represent cultures that came AFTER the Egyptian gods and AFTER Ra and his buddies were kicked out. And if they brought a ship back - why not just take over the planet again?
Maybe the Asgard had some hand in booting Ra and co. off Earth helping the Humans at the time?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I don't think there have been any spoilers past season 5. We talked about the episode 48 Hours, and I think that's the latest ep we've touched on.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
OK, I'll try and keep any talk about SG1 before "48 hours". That's when Teal'c was trapped in the gate - wasn't it?
Andrew
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe we only got the whirl-pool effect in the movie as the gate hadn't been activated in a very long time... well since 1969.
Posted by Commander Dan (Member # 558) on :
Actually, as I recall, we only get a brief glimpse of the vortex/whirlpool effect in the movie. That being the case, one might conclude that the vortex is only briefly present after activation, and then flattens out; perhaps a brief “after-effect” that occurs after the initial “whoosh” collapses on the front of the gate.
However, this theory is shot if the TV series has shown the back of the gate when it is activated. Has the back of the gate ever been seen at the instant of activation?
In reality, I am curious to know if the “vortex” effect was something the TV show producers overlooked, or if they consciously chose to drop the vortex effect on the TV series.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
"However, this theory is shot if the TV series has shown the back of the gate when it is activated. Has the back of the gate ever been seen at the instant of activation?"
Yep.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
My guess would be that the series producers simplified several effects issues due to budget.
For instance, instead of having the cool, fold away, Horus Guard type helmets, we got silly, pop-open, pain in the ass to wear, Snake Guard helmets.
Fortunately, we still got lots of nice shots of the glowy Goual'd eyes though.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
On the flipside, we haven't seen a single Jaffa helmet in use for several years. The last time we even really saw 'em was hanging as trophies or something in season five's "The Warrior". Other than that, it's been skullcaps all the way.
Obviously they were abandoned as being too costly to operate all the time, or probably too cumbersome for large number of extras or for running around a lot. Those things are awful top heavy...
Mark
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
Most of the galaxy seems to be out to kill all the Gowaould' so maybe they don't have the resources they once had, and can't afford the helmets for Jaffa, who are going to die anyway.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
We DO get to see the Apophis snake-head helmet collapse every-now and then. I remember it especially in Season 1 and in season 2 with Master Bra'tak on Klorel's ship. And a few times after that. Admittedly we don't see it ALL the time - but we do see it.
We don't see the Horus guard's do it. (well not yet).
I wish they'd make some helmets for some of the other Goa'uld. Hheh heheh the Setesh guards!
The only time I can remember the whirlpool effect being shown in the TV series is the episode with the Black-hole.
So that was my suggestion - maybe the whirlpool at the back only happens after the gate hasn't been activated for many-a-year. Explaining why we've only really seen it happen in the movie.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I know we've seen Horus Guard helmets... but I can't remember if we've seen them fold up in the series. I thought we had a couple of times.
But I don't remember ever seeing a snake guard's helmet fold... even Apophis'. I thought it just kind of popped open.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: But I don't remember ever seeing a snake guard's helmet fold... even Apophis'. I thought it just kind of popped open.
In the SG-1 Pilot episode we see Teal'c's helmet fold up all the way, IIRC. I think it's in the scene towards the end of the episode where they 're in the large room in the castle, just before Apophis orders him to kill everyone in the room - which was a waste of resources, IMO.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
We see the Horus guard helmet retract in two epsiodes. Once is off-screen while people react to it (Heru'ur's helmet in "Thor's Chariot"), and the other is the only one we actually get to see work (Teal'c's borrowed helmet in "Secrets"). The Serpent guard helmet is also fully retractible, but is only ever seen doing so offscreen.
Mark
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: We see the Horus guard helmet retract in two epsiodes. Once is off-screen while people react to it (Heru'ur's helmet in "Thor's Chariot"), and the other is the only one we actually get to see work (Teal'c's borrowed helmet in "Secrets"). The Serpent guard helmet is also fully retractible, but is only ever seen doing so offscreen.
Mark
That is a LIE and you KNOW IT!!
We have several times seen the Serpant Guard helmet collapse. One was Apophis' own gold version. We've seen Teal'c and Bratak's collapse - "Within the Serpants Grasp" = or what ever season 2's first episode is called. Most definately seen several times. I don't EVER recall the Horus guard helmet collapsing in the TV series - but it most definately did during the Movie.
I'd like to know what some of the other Goa'uld system lord helmets are. There is the ONE Anubis helmet from the movie. (Probably kept by Ra when they kicked out Anubis). Secondly there is the mention by Teal'c of the Setesh guard's helmet... it's nose drips! Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Little late. You Stargate fans should turn on "Highlander" on TNN -- the episode is "Return of Amanda", and two of the guest-stars are Don S. Davis and Robert Wisden.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
And just yesterday was "The Zone" - reputed by the fans as the worst Highlander episode ever... But with a pointless flashback featuring Michael Shanks. Robert Wisden shows up several seasons later as the Immortal William Culbraith. Amongst the many, many other SG-1/HL crossovers include Technician Davis showing up as a hotel clerk, and Prometheus CO Colonel Ronson as the Immortals Howard Crowley and Gerard Kragen (getting killed both times, natch). God bless the limited Vancouver actor pool.
Andrew, I know what I'm talking. What I mean is that we've never seen the Serpent Guard helmet FULLY retract onscreen - like the Horus Guard helmet, it is capable of fully retracting into the collar of the armor. We have only ever seen it PARTIALLY retract on several occasions. It has fully retracted only offscreen. The Horus Guard helmet is seen retracting in the two instances I described.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yah, that's what I was gettign at too... I assume that all Jaffa helmets are capabable of fully retracting, but I don't recall ever actually seeing the CGI of the serpent guard helmet doing so. I was saying that they producers had to come up with a way for the helmets to open and show the actors' faces without having to do a CGI of the thing folding down all the time like in the movie. That's where we get the pop-open effect of the serpent helmets from, I think.
Now.. as far as the helmets we saw in the movie, they weren't all Horus guard helmets were they? I assumed that was because, when the movie was made, the different Jaffa that Ra had working for him were supposed to be where all the different Egyptian gods came from, right? There were no other Go'auld at that point... so Ra was Ra...and the Jaffa with the helmets were Horus and Anubis and whoever else the Egyptians believed in... yes?
Of course, that's different now that we know there are more than one Go'auld.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
OK I see - all the way into the collar - i.e. disappearing - no I don't think we have seen that - or have we??
About the Horus guard and Anubis guard - it works easier going backwards from the series. I actually didn't really like the movie before I saw and fell in love with the series. After I had seen up to about season 3 or 4 - I decided to give the movie a go again. It is MUCH better when viewed after the series - and taking the series 'events' as 'canon' if you will and re-interpreting them backwards.
Anyway - going backwards a simple explanation for the Horus and Anubis guards.
1. Horus or Heru'ur was the son of Ra and Hathor. I presume that Ra AND Heru'ur would have Horus guards as their 'guards'.
2. Ra has representatives of all types of Jaffa? (I doubt this)
3. He absorbed the Anubis guard (which in the movie, yes was supposed to be Anubis himself) - after Anubis (the system lord) was exiled by the rest of the System Lords.
As I've mentioned - it'd be interesting to see other 'guards'. I mean what 'helmet' would Hathor's Jaffa or Yu's Jaffa have?
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
In the movie, we saw very expensive CGI of the helmets dissapearing into amulets. In the TV Show, they just used props that open, but not with any CGI. After Apophis died... about the third time... they stopped using helmets at all and didn't give them to any other system Lords.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I mean what 'helmet' would Hathor's Jaffa or Yu's Jaffa have?
Cats and dragons, I'd wager. Which would be very amusing to see. Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Given the lack of Apophis and the subsequent proliferation of other system lords in his place, it makes sense not to see many Jaffa helmets of the serpent variety at least. It'd be cool so see what Yu or Baal or any of the remaining "big seven" system lords had for helmets. Hey, maybe they just didn't like using them anyway? That just Ra (and Heru'ur), Apophis and Setesh really liked using them?
Mark
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:And just yesterday was "The Zone" - reputed by the fans as the worst Highlander episode ever...
It was still better than the majority of season one episodes!
quote:Prometheus CO Colonel Ronson as the Immortals Howard Crowley and Gerard Kragen (getting killed both times, natch).
He's also listed under "The Revolutionary" -- I guess they decided he'd had his head chopped off one too many times
quote:God bless the limited Vancouver actor pool.
And locations. I read somewhere that the cast & crew of the X-Files would go up against the cast & crew of Highlander for volleyball games, every now & then. I saw a repeat of an SG1 episode on sci-fi a while back, where Sam has to take a little girl deep into an abandoned nuclear silo for fear she's going to blow up. The corridor where the rest of the team waits (where the elevator opens) was used for a swordfight in the episode "The Colonel", after MacLeod escapes a cell he was supposed to spend seventy years in ... (Killian is jumping from rafter to rafter, with MacLeod below) the "safe room" where Sam was with the girl, was the cell (if memory serves, the SG1 crew shot the cell so that the bars weren't seen). The infamous alley, where Joe and MacLeod spoke in "The Hunters" was also featured in at least one episode of "X-Files."
Hah. I don't know why I'm mentioning THIS (especially since it was shot in Paris), but do you remember the episode "Methos"? For the 1920 flashback sword fight between MacLeod and Kalas, the crew had rented a ballroom of this gorgeous chateau. The swordmaster (McAsh) had worked out this elaborate sword-fight to steer around the chandeliers and other breakable items. They get there to shoot -- and someone had WAXED the floor. The entire sword fight had to be improvised on the spot, and there's footage of Kalas coming in for a lunge on MacLeod, slipping, and just sort of falling out of frame. Cool AND scary stuff!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
John Novak did a lot of looping in Highlander - he redubbed the voices of more than half of male characters that needed vocal replacement due to wind, poor performance, etc. He's credited for a reporter in "The Revolutionary", but I think it's only his voice. You can currently see him in a bunch of beer ads as a moustached park warden facing down bigfoot.
Mark
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Anyway - going backwards a simple explanation for the Horus and Anubis guards.
1. Horus or Heru'ur was the son of Ra and Hathor. I presume that Ra AND Heru'ur would have Horus guards as their 'guards'.
As I recall it is specifically mentioned by Teal'c that the Horus guards are the guards for Ra's royal family, presumably this included Hathor and any of Ra's other offspring.
quote: Now.. as far as the helmets we saw in the movie, they weren't all Horus guard helmets were they? I assumed that was because, when the movie was made, the different Jaffa that Ra had working for him was supposed to be where all the different Egyptian gods came from, right? There were no other Go'auld at that point... so Ra was Ra...and the Jaffa with the helmets were Horus and Anubis and whoever else the Egyptians believed in... yes?
To my knowledge that wasn't exactly what the Movie makers intended because if you have the DVD with the deleted scenes you'll know that they originally filmed two scenes that portrayed a pair of fossilised Horus and Anubis Guards. The guards were apparently sent through the Stargate from Abydos after it was sealed, materialising them within solid rock (this was before the use of the iris changed the physics involved slightly). They were seen once in Egypt after they raised the gate and once in the mountain complex when O'Neal (Russell) visits them just before going on the mission. While it's certainly possible that new masks could be made and that who ever Ra chose to wear the masks would be considered that god by the Abydonians (remember how surprised they were by Anubis's human face?) it should be noted that the guards weren't meant to be "actual" gods like Ra but his god-like servants.
Not that it has much bearing on the discussion but I don't think that Ra was ever supposed to appear in that movie and that originally that young man was just a human that the real Ra (a proper alien) took and kept alive to rule in his stead. The bit about the parasite needing a host was made up at the last minute by giggling around some dialogue. Which also means that the Jaffa were also meant to be pouch-less humans who were raised in Ra's court (ever wonder what all those kids were for?).
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I've read the first two books in the alternate continuity,
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and from what I understand the idea was that Ra set it up so that there would always be a human holding the position of each god, and each god had their own small army and territory. Ra was the obvious exception, never expecting that he himself would be killed. He also made an exception for (the original?) Hathor, who he kept in stasis for several thousand years without replacing.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Omega: I mean what 'helmet' would Hathor's Jaffa or Yu's Jaffa have?
Cats and dragons, I'd wager. Which would be very amusing to see.
Cool!
Actually just flipped around and Batman 2 was on - and there is that large cat-head outside that department store that Cat-Woman blows up - that would be quite a funny helment - a big round conical head!
Ahhhh yes and Daniel Jackson mentioned something about Yu and the Dragon connection. Maybe the Dragon thing came from the symbiont look!?!
OK you did well with those two - what about...
I would say Solkar - but I think they DID have helmets - they weren't exactly helmets but more like elaborate Galifreian head-dresses.
Umm...
Chronos and Nerti
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Sokar's Jaffa didn't have helmets. They *did* have red-coloured armor, though, to correspond with Sokar's image as the resident "devil".
Mark
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Sokar's Jaffa didn't have helmets. They *did* have red-coloured armor, though, to correspond with Sokar's image as the resident "devil".
Mark
That's what I said - no helmets - but they did have those things that looked like they were from Gallifrey. Around their heads/necks.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Yup. Second season, in "Prisoners". When Hammond and the SG-9 commander step through, they merely vanish. And in "Message in a Bottle", NanO'Neil is seen from the other side placing the alien ark into the event horizon.
And regarding the flat vortex in the movie, Timo may be onto something - in the movie on Abydos, the gate there seemed backed against a wall. If there were a vortex formed there, then the back wall shouldn't be so close.
Or we can more logically accept that the vortex CGI would simply be cheaper to animate as flat than flushed. On the flip side, I for one am quite glad that they never changed the original gate traveling sequence - that would just make it wierd.
Mark
Just watched the second season episode "A Matter of Time" and there's a good view of te backside of the gate which shows the vortex. Of course, there's also the possibility that the blackhole on the other side was effecting it.... Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR:
From page 3.
The only time I can remember the whirlpool effect being shown in the TV series is the episode with the Black-hole.
So that was my suggestion - maybe the whirlpool at the back only happens after the gate hasn't been activated for many-a-year. Explaining why we've only really seen it happen in the movie.
So seeing as it was the only time seen apart from the movie one would conclude that it was because of the blackhole on the other end. Does anyone know if that was a new effects shot or just a reused shot from the Movie?
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
Obviously, I didn't see yours. I got as far as page 2 and stopped. Good of you to point it out, tho....
I'd have to pull out my "Stargate" DVD to see if it's the exact same scene from the movie. I'm thinking not, as the view was from overhead and I seem to recall all the views in the movie being from the sides, tho admit to not having watched the movie in a couple months now.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
About the collapse of the helmets - I was watching the season 2 episode tonight where Sha're gives birth to the Harsesis child. Teal'c is in disguise in a Horus Guard uniform and helmet. His helmet collapses/folds up at one stage... nearly all the way... and then totaly. Of course there is the normal Jaffa 'neck collar' thing... but the rest of the helmet disappeared.
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