Being that I'm a little behind on my Stargate, I was wondering if there has ever been an episode that presented another world that has been exploring the galaxy via the Stargate network with their own version of the SGC.
Most of the civilizations they've visited that have been comparable to Earth as far as scientific development go seem to be either unaware of their Gate, or uninterested in playing with it.
What was the status of the Gate on Jonas' world? It obviusly wasn't buried or anything, but were they exploring through it?
By the way... FOX finally started playing season 7 on Saturday evenings here in Michigan, so I've got new episodes to watch now. WOOT!
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
"Oh, look, this alternate universe is made out of Lego!"
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Teal'c's figurine is out of date. B)
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
WFT is with the blonde chinstripe and new hair anyway. I mean aside from the actor getting sick of being bald.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Ok.... continuity error. If the Serpent Guards are prisoners, why are they still armed, eh?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
How do they dial a destination when the symbols are all six little pegs?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The Legogate is about the coolest thing EVAR. But returning to the point of the thread:
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: [QB] Being that I'm a little behind on my Stargate, I was wondering if there has ever been an episode that presented another world that has been exploring the galaxy via the Stargate network with their own version of the SGC.
Most of the civilizations they've visited that have been comparable to Earth as far as scientific development go seem to be either unaware of their Gate, or uninterested in playing with it.
No one has ever really been seen exploring the galaxy through the gate, at least in teams. In "Winow of Opportunity", the scientist guy was an explorer that found the time loop machine; somewhere in the fourth season, SG-1 encountered its android replicas exploring and fighting the Goa'uld like their originals; in "Entity" a computer world sent a MALP-like virus through to explore (or scout for invation - they never really figured it out).
quote:What was the status of the Gate on Jonas' world? It obviusly wasn't buried or anything, but were they exploring through it?
Following the events of "Fallout", most of the people on Jonas' planet were probably more busy getting along together rather than exploring the galaxy. Of everyone we've seen, I'd think they'd be the most interested in exploring a la SGC. There's also the planet of people that invented Tretoinin, who were eager to explore to find another source of snakes... And I'm guessing that the snooty Tollans probably did a lot of exploring too using the gate, though by the time we met them they were hardly as motivated to do so anymore.
Mark
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"WFT is with the blonde chinstripe and new hair anyway. I mean aside from the actor getting sick of being bald."
Well, I believe they explained the hair by saying that, now that Teal'c doesn't have a symbiote, he doesn't need to shave his head anymore. Of course, they never really made it clear why he had to in the first place. I think it was just a throwaway joke for when he and O'Neill switched bodies, and then they were stuck with it.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
No on screen mention has been made about the reasons behind the state of Teal'c's hair in the entirety of the series, except as a joke ("Teal'c - what's with the hair?"). Even the yellow caterpillar was only half-noticed once ("Don't ask") and never mentioned again.
The statement in "Holiday" implied that Jaffa ritually shaved their heads. In the early seasons, all Jaffa were seen either bald or with the skullcap. Later on, only rarely now do we see he skullcaps (and never on the rebel Jaffa). My rationalization is that SOME System Lords required that all Jaffa shave their heads for old old traditional reasons.
Since pretty much all of these guys are dead now, few Jaffa are seen shaving cranium anymore. And Teal'c, as a holdout of shaved-ness in order to cause less revulsion in the Jaffa he's trying to convert to his cause. Now that the Fifth Column is in full force and barely anyone is following the old ways anymore, he's free to break tradition and grow dat 'fro.
Of course, the REAL reason is actor Chris Judge, who hated being bald. Shaving his head was part of his contract for the first two seasons, after which it was promised he could grow it out. However, after it became part of his identity (simply because bald = more alien, Joe Mallozzi told me), Exec. Producer Brad Wright wouldn't let him. They *did* let him grow the caterpillar (that past summer, Judge had a dyed yellow 'fro at conventions and kept the goatee), but the production team soon realized how silly it looked and got him to take it off.
Judge FINALLY got permission to grow his hair when Wright transferred over to Atlantis to develop the show, and the new EP didn't know or care.
Mark
Posted by RLF (Member # 1396) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: [QB] Being that I'm a little behind on my Stargate, I was wondering if there has ever been an episode that presented another world that has been exploring the galaxy via the Stargate network with their own version of the SGC. /QB]
There was evidence of an exploration program on the world where SG-1 found the quantum mirror in "There But For the Grace of God". Daniel found artifacts from various human cultures on a table, all sorted and tagged. Unfortunately, the inhabitants of the planet attracted the attention of the Gou'ald, who wiped them out.
The Aschen ("2010" and "2001") know how to operate the stargate, but do not possess a large database of gate addresses. This limits them to worlds near their home planet. There have been other civilizations with similar limitations presented in the series ("Prisoners" and "The Other Side").
The SGC seems to unusual in three ways. First, they figured out how the stargate works. Second, the SGC has located two sources of gate addresses - the Abydos Cartouche and the knowledge of the Ancients downloaded into Jack. Third, Earth has survived attracting the attention of the Gou'ald and other threats.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
You know, the thought has occurred to me on more than one occasion, but why were there so many addresses on the Abydos cartouche anyways? One would think that the Goa'uld would store gate addresses in crystals or something...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The Abydos carouche was ancient even for the Goa'uld. I'm thinking that Ra used the place as a waystation for his slaves who didn't use ships, or for whom he didn't want access to more advanced technology. This may have changed over the millenia, and everyone ended up using more advnaced ways to remember how to get around (like that hand device).
Mark
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Or then the Abydos terminal wasn't Ra's doing, but was left behind by the Ancients already. They'd want naquada, too, and mining it from the relative vicinity of Earth/Atlantis would be a smart move, right? Ra could just have added onto the pre-existing Gate room and coordinate chamber the landing platform for his ship.
The Ancient technology seems to aim for extreme user-friendliness. The Gates work in the most adverse conditions without maintenance, and can be operated by hand-cranking if everything else fails... A simple "printed-out" coordinate library would be in keeping with this principle.
This would incidentally mean that not just the Stargate symbols but also the Egyptian hieroglyphs would be original Ancient writing, adopted and adapted by Earthlings much later on. Or perhaps the original Gate symbols at the Abydos cartouche were later annotated by some Egyptian-hieroglyph writer, be it a goa'uld or a human underling of his, and the hieroglyphs thus are of goa'uld origin?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
That's a real lego kit!?! Cool - or did someone carve out Snake-heads for the Jaffa?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Seems to me the Ancients are always referred to as having a language similar to latin. Their writing is all over Atlantis and was on one of the walls in the meeting place in "Torment of Tantalus". Didn't look anything like hieroglyphs.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yep. Plus, the "terminal" was some distance away from both the gate and pyramid. Perhaps the gate USED to be there at some point, when Ra and company were primarily using that to get around. When the Goa'uld developped ships (and other means of data storage to match?), they built the spaceport and then moved the gate there.
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'd like to see a storyline in which some of these other technologicaly advanced (in some cases more so than Earth) societies (those which are not actively trying to kill large numbers of Earth residents) wanted to play more of a role in the exploration of the gate network.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, I just think it seems logical that another society who had developed, even say to the point of Earth circa 1940's, might have discovered that the Gate could be worth tinkering with and set it up under military control. In the second ep of season seven, Jonas' people have moved the Gate to a military-controlled location, which makes sense as they already know exactly what the device is.
I think it would be kind of cool for SG-1 to run into another SG-ish team from another planet who, possibly, are in the process of pissing off the Goa'uld, or maybe have had contact with them already. Might not fit into the current storyline, though, if the Goa'uld are nigh toast at this point.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
The only problem is that, for it to make a worthy story, something has to go wrong. Like, they think the aliens are so great, except they turn out to be Nazis (oops, that's been done). Or they try to help the aliens out, only to end up cauing all sorts of problems for them (oops, pretty sure that's been done, too).
About the only way I can think of that they could do it is if meeting the aliens isn't the main plot. Like, they run into this alien team, and they join forces to resolve some unrelated plot. In which case it only really seems worth introducing them if they're going to be recurring characters.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
True. It goes without saying that it would have to be worked into some kind of story framework. I just think it would be a logical thing to have happen.
Remember, for instance, when they introduced the Evil Leaper on Quantum Leap? In an interview, Scott Bakula said something along the lines of "Who's to say that Project Quantum Leap are the only ones messing around with time travel. There may be others out there doing the same kind of thing."
Ohhh... maybe this other group could be *seeking out* the Goa'uld...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It might be cool to have SG-1 run into a planet that has an exploration program, but without all the moral scruples - in other words, where the NID was right. They fought off the Goa'uld, have all sorts of kickass tech from other worlds, and use every opportunity to rub it into the SGC's collective faces.
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