Just starting the thread to open up the discussions.
Few things:
Apollo is suddenly preaching the holiness of democracy - I sense some partisan politics on the writer's part here. He also reads the books of terrorists.
Starbuck is now a crackshot, was this part of the original character in the old series? I mean firing the gun in a fighter is a lot different to being a sniper.
Zereck (sp?) is a total loser who wants to make a martyr of himself just to get back in the public eye, he preaches democracy and justice but is completely self-centred, I wonder how happy Hatch was to get this role...
The marines are kickarse, very cool - finally some effective soldiers that take out the enemy efficiently and without incident.
Ear-biting - it's a very useful fighting technique, but I wouldn't suggest it unless a burly convict is trying to have his way with you, if you do it at work you get banned from your sport for a couple years and come back as a washed out loser. Posted by DoughBoy05 (Member # 1417) on :
Yeah those marines where quite nifty!
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
P90 must be one of the most popular sci-fi guns ever.
I found Apollo slightly unnervingly naive at moments.
That one structure Helo and Boomer walked around looked awfully like the Vancouver Public Library.
Six once again seemed really quite eager to help Baltar and rather disapproving of Cylon's genocide of humanity. I wonder when they say the Cylons have a plan, where does Six fall in it?
The new Cylon detector seemed to involve irradiating the subject with emissions from plutonium. I hope simple cell samples would suffice, no point in mass killing sperms right now.
The personal pistol used by Colonial Military is rather confusing. We've seen it rip a hole in someone, punch through Cylon battloid, punch little neat holes in a synthetic human but not hurt the person behind her and now fry rats... Helo seems to be pretty liberal with the ammo, too, maybe it's energy based? Although everything else seemed projectile based.
Posted by DoughBoy05 (Member # 1417) on :
I'd love to see more of Cylon Occupied Caprica!..or Vancouver. Posted by Marauth (Member # 1320) on :
Maybe it's (the pistol) got 'settings'ala Star Trek phasers - if it is energy based this would make sense, unfortunately everything else is as you say projectile based which casts much doubt on that.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Does anyone have a reliable airing schedule for this show to help out a disconnected European?
Posted by Marauth (Member # 1320) on :
Erm if you mean when they're shown, they are aired here in the UK on SkyOne on mondays at 8pm GMT and repeated on friday I think at 9pm GMT (not completely sure about the repeat time), there are two more repeats on SkyOneMix but that's just a channel one day behind the times I think they show it on tuesdays and saturdays.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Oh right. SkyOne. UK. I get it. Sorry for the confusion.
I'm totally out of the loop for news and rumours for this show. How many seasons are planned/confirmed?
Posted by Marauth (Member # 1320) on :
AFAIK the first season is done - 15 episodes leaving a cliffhanger to be concluded in a second season, I guess it'll be a matter of popularity - if it does well then it will probably go the whole 7 years like most yank shows. I mean it can't possibly do worse than Enterprise can it? And that's made it 4 seasons already.
P.S. IIRC it'll start being shown in Canada and fascist-fundamentalist-land, sorry I meant the US - slip of the tongue - in jan of 2005.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Yes, but isn't it being made by Sci-Fi? They don't have a good record. They seem to prefer event broadcasting - highly-promoted miniseries and the like. And what shows they do have they seem to be willing to kill if it allows them to inherit a cancelled show from somewhere else. You wait, they'll kill BSG so they can start making Tru Calling or some shite like that. . .
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
I doubt this show is going anywhere unless it fails horribly. SkyOne is backing it with lots of money and the effort being put into it really shows--it's not a low-budget piece of crap like Farscape, Lexx, or Andromeda, for example.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Just seen the episode.
I had the distinct idea that they are writing the President out, and have her replaced by Adama Jr.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I get the impression that Zarak wouldn't like having a military officer as president. Maybe Billy will be the next president. Posted by Marauth (Member # 1320) on :
ROFL @ Billy being pres ("I like your hair - what a loser, ) maybe they'll have a guy named George, who's surname is rather similar to a rather rude slang term.
I definetly reckon they're writing the Pres out as they know they can't string her along what with the cancer and all (unlike in Eastenders where that guy who got HIV and lived for nearly another 15 years - people tend to die from that in real life you know) but I doubt Zereck will have much to do with the replacement, I read that the actor's only on for a 3 ep. mini-arc, unless they postpone till the second season and get him back to deal with that leftover plotline.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Actually, people can contract HIV and live for a long time. Its contracting AIDS that kills you.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
OK, I saw this and it was OK, and I had a few thoughts.
Obviously they're playing up the issue of political legitimacy. Which is neat. But I wonder; they've got an executive branch, but what about a legislature? Presumably the various bylaws of the Colonies provide for the emergency reconstitution of whatever sort of legislature they have. (Well, presuming they do have one, but they're pretty Western in all the other political senses, so I can only assume they do.) The thing is, those usually depend on their being other, surviving governmental bodies available to appoint new leaders, or to arrange for their election.
I know there was a civilian council of some sort in the original show, but I don't remember how they were organized.
If political continuity is what they want to preserve, then their legislative body probably consists of some number of representatives from each colony. (Maybe fewer from the colony which nobody likes, I guess.) But those representatives are probably appointed, in emergencies, by smaller, local governments, none of which exist anymore. Or what if they've got a system similar to the U.S. House of Representatives, with each colony getting X representatives per every X x 10,000 citizens, or what have you. There might not be enough survivors from each colony.
Now that's just an example; my point being that no matter what the rules are, some of them will probably have to be bent or broken to get a complete government in place.
On the other hand, it seems kind of odd to represent colonial governments which no longer exist. A handful of people from one colony scattered across a dozen different ships don't really have much in the way of "local" concerns in common. For these people, the most logical governmental subdivision is the ship. But I doubt there's any provision in their aforementioned bylaws for what to do in case all their planets blow up.
So, anyway, it would be interesting to see how that is handled. Or, at least, it would be interesting to me.
Re the episode: How come that city hadn't been leveled? I guess there is something in it that the Cylons want, maybe.
(Normally this would be where people make their own interesting speculations, but in this case I suppose someone could say exactly what the deal turns out to be, so, uh, if that is so, please consider my questions rhetorical.)
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
$$ Spoilers for future episodes
Based on some pictures that Topher posted, the Quorum of Twelve is back and seen in the 11th episode. Topher can probably swing in and answer whether or not it acts as the legislative branch if he sees this. As a note for the 11th episode, though, the quorum is meeting and voting to select a vice-president.
$$ Spoilers above.
Also, another thing worth wondering is if anyone in the judicial branch survived and how reconstructive efforts on that are going.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
For all those buildings to survive, the Cylons must have used air bursts in their bombing.
quote: Air Bursts. An air burst is an explosion in which a weapon is detonated in air at an altitude below 30 km but at sufficient height that the fireball does not contact the surface of the earth. After such a burst, blast may cause considerable damage and injury. The altitude of an air burst can be varied to obtain maximum blast effects, maximum thermal effects, desired radiation effects, or a balanced combination of these effects. Burns to exposed skin may be produced over many square kilometers and eye injuries over a still larger area. Initial nuclear radiation will be a significant hazard with smaller weapons, but the fallout hazard can be ignored as there is essentially no local fallout from an air burst. The fission products are generally dispersed over a large area of the globe unless there is local rainfall resulting in localized fallout. In the vicinity of ground zero, there may be a small area of neutron-induced activity which could be hazardous to troops required to pass through the area. Tactically, air bursts are the most likely to be used against ground forces.
Perhaps pare of the plan is returning and occupying Caprica and the rest of the 12 Colonies for themselves. The question I have is why are they playing the cat and mouse/play with your food before you kill it game? What is going on between Helio and Boomer (and them being observed by others)and between Six and Baltar (why the constant mind-game?)
How does that fit in with their plan? It seems more different than straight anihilation
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
$$$ Spoilers
About the whole Quorum thing, it wasn't explicitly mentioned in the episode what the Quorum does, exactly. We're just told that each colony has selected a representative and they're going to meet to decide things like a VP, housing, welfare, rations, water, etc. Caprica picked Baltar, Sagittaron picked Zarek, and it seems Picon and Leonis picked the same guy or something.
No reason is given for the city on Caprica to still be standing. However, Helo has to constantly take radiation meds so the planet is quite toasty. And as for the games between Boomer and Helo, she's trying to get him to love her, for whatever reason.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
My guess is that the Cylons wanted them to settle down and have kids, though who knows why. It's also possible they wanted to create a Cylon Helo. Under any circumstances, I'd say Caprica Boomer really does love Helo at this point, or at least cares about him.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Of course she does. They were co-pilots on the raptor for how long before the war? If Caprica-Boomer has the same memories of Helio that Galactica-Boomer does (and she should or else the ploy won't work), then they've already had some history together.
Not necessarilly romantic.
RE: The "Are you alive..." and kissing... Perhaps the Cylons won't truly feel alive until their "parents" say they are. Despite destroying the human race, the Cylons are seeking their approval. Six, with her kissing ways, seems to me to "need" to be reassured that she is alive, instead of just a collection of chips...
Posted by Marauth (Member # 1320) on :
Helo and Boomer probably didn't have romantic relations before the war unless she was going behind Tyrol's back, and even on a just-under-1.4km long ship that'd still be some task - looks pretty small inside.
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
I thought that one of the major plot points of the episode, was the main characters realizing that 'your filling-out the remainder of President's Adar's term, the law says that there will be elections in 7 months'.
I caught the collective 'oh yeah....' look from Adama and madam president.. that sort of thing is easy to overlook in an emergancy. In the future, look for debates about preventing the democratic process.
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
I thought that one of the major plot points of the episode, was the main characters realizing that 'your filling-out the remainder of President's Adar's term, the law says that there will be elections in 7 months'.
I caught the collective 'oh yeah....' look from Adama and madam president.. that sort of thing is easy to overlook in an emergancy. In the future, look for debates about preventing the democratic process.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Just saw the episode this evening...
One of the neat parallels I liked was the "Apollo versus Apollo", making for a neat kind of in-joke.
It seems that the Human-like Cylons are doing a lot of "soul-searching" (so to speak) about the nature of their being. The simple question, "Are you alive?" seems to have a lot of interesting implications. I wonder if they're basically not yet sure if they're alive?
Just how that ties into their decision to basically try to wipe out Humanity remains to be seen, of course.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, if they decide they truly are "alive" they'll stop killing their fellow sentient creatures and live in peace.
Just as we do now.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Well, if they decide they truly are "alive" they'll stop killing their fellow sentient creatures and live in peace.
Just as we do now.
It's ok for the Cylons because God is on their side.
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