Just one question: Isn't it pretty lucky that one of Ares' Jaffa happened to know how to read Ancient? And isn't it even luckier that that Jaffa hapened to be in the party that came to Maybourne's planet? And then, isn't it astronomically improbable that he would be one of the few to go to the ruins to see the prophecy?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
He may not actually READ Ancient but may recognise it - especially after Anubis throwing the Ancient tech into the mix of Goa'uld. I'm sure in battles etc they have come across the Ancient writing. I think the Jaffa just saw the inscriptions but we don't know if he read them. I think Jaffa Wayne Brady Prime just wanted to know if there was indeed a 'wall with inscriptions'.
Just a question of my own - is this an episode you saw on tv or one downloaded!?! Cause we just saw it tonight in Australia on TV! WOO! This must be a first - but have you seen "Prometheus Unbound" yet? I thought I saw that title floating about - our last episode last week was "Gemini" with Replicarter.
It was a good episode - they now have a puddle-jumper (I wonder what the SGC are going to call it?)
So this might explain the pictures we saw of Moebius involving time travel and a puddle-jumper!
I don't know if Wayne Grady was very convincing as a First Prime of Aries? or Ares? Wouldn't Ares have been Solkar? I guess we never will see Aires. There were a lot of other Goa'uld mentioned. Yu and someone else were making a stand. Anyone catch the other System lord names?
Anyone got a list of pictures of all the System Lord symbols/tatoos?
Molok was those little arcs. Hathor was that cow symbol i think, Anubis' was more triangular. Solkar was that pentogram looking one. Heru'ur was the eagle/bird one. Did we see Seth's?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
What occured to me while watching this episode (Tuesday in the UK btw) is that if an ancient was traveliing back and forth through time and observing what was going on, then wouldn't that mean that there was an ancient either amoung the people or sneeking around in a cloaked puddle jumper during the course of the episode? That must have at least occured to Carter. Of course this brings up the usual causality issues like would they have found the jumper if it weren't for the inscriptions in which case were they there when the ancient observed the events. Usual paradox stuff.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
One might assume he died? It looked as though the power had run out to fly the ship (and most probably the cloak) - unless you took off the time-bit. So maybe he/she just integrated themselves into the colony. It all brings up the issue of - how old does an Ancient live? Do they age like the Wraith? Like, not much at all?
Maybe the Ancient was a hermit and ended up writing the stuff it had seen on the walls of the 'temple'. Maybe the temple was built for the Ancient? It was probably a Goa'uld temple though.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I agree that there was no indication the Jaffa understood the inscriptions. My big question was, what happened to the ship at the end? I mean, wouldn't O'Neill have to fly it back through? Or maybe they have to make preparations offscreen before that? Sounds like prime Alpha Site material...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
We see the time ship again. I'm guessing that they can probably just BARELY fit it into the gate room on Earth, and then modify the silo just above it into a support hangar for the jumper. It most certainly would NOT fit in the gate room at the Alpha Site. Or, they could just leave it on a neutral or abandonned planet... We'll see in a few weeks, I guess.
I haven't seen this one yet, but I guess this is the time ship that guy on Atlantis WANTED to build but never got around to, and subsequently did so when he got the chance.
Mark
Posted by Daryus Aden (Member # 12) on :
Andrew - this episode was on last night???
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"He may not actually READ Ancient but may recognise it..."
From the way and the length of time that he looked at it, it seemed pretty obvious he was supposed to be reading it.
"Just a question of my own - is this an episode you saw on tv or one downloaded!?! Cause we just saw it tonight in Australia on TV! WOO! This must be a first - but have you seen 'Prometheus Unbound' yet? I thought I saw that title floating about - our last episode last week was 'Gemini' with Replicarter."
I downloaded it. Even if I could watch it on TV (I don't have cable), the US airings aren't that far along yet. And, yes, "Prometheus Unbound" preceded this episode. You (or your TV station) must have missed it.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Oh, here's a thought: fly it back in time a few centuries, take it through the gate to what is now the Alpha site, get out of everything's way, and come back to the present. Land wherever they keep the F-302s.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Which, unfortunately, assumes they already have the time machine portion working. Which they can't do until they study it. Which they can't do until it's somewhere safe. And, if it's somewhere safe, that rather precludes the need to take it to the Alpha Site.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: I downloaded it. Even if I could watch it on TV (I don't have cable), the US airings aren't that far along yet. And, yes, "Prometheus Unbound" preceded this episode. You (or your TV station) must have missed it.
I didn't miss it the TV station did. Just wondering does it have much to do with tying in with Atlantis? They haven't aired Atlantis here yet (don't ask me why - they are fools) But maybe they took it out until they've shown Atlantis? - I've downloaded all of Atlantis, myself. They have stopped showing Stargate for a while - so maybe they just wanted an inconsequential episode to show before they have a break? (Last season break was with "The Other Guys" we have been watching across seasons - which is cool - no having to wait for cliffhangers! )
quote:Originally posted by TSN:
"He may not actually READ Ancient but may recognise it..."
From the way and the length of time that he looked at it, it seemed pretty obvious he was supposed to be reading it.
He may have been keeping up appearances in front of the other Jaffa!?! Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daryus Aden: Andrew - this episode was on last night???
It was in Brisbane D. - In southern states you may have a different schedule - a few episodes behind?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Of the remaining major System Lords, Bastet and Olokun were dead, and Morrigan had surrendered. These three System Lords were only seen during the fifth season's "Summit / Last Stand" two-parter, and until now only Olokun had been mentioned since. Yu and Amaterasu (the latter first seen earlier this season, the former sporadically since the third) were rallying their forces for a final stand, which we'll probably see in the two-part "Reckoning" in a couple weeks.
According to THIS list of all known System Lords, the only remaining major Goa'uld that haven't been accounted for are Kali and possibly Svarog (though he was most likely killed by the Sentinel three years ago). There are certainly more out there, but I doubt that once Baal is dealt with they'll be a major threat.
Mark
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Just wondering does it have much to do with tying in with Atlantis?"
Well, the Prometheus starts out heading to Atlantis, but, in the end, they have to turn around and go back to Earth. That's it, really. Atlantis isn't important to the rest of the plot.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Of the remaining major System Lords, Bastet and Olokun were dead, and Morrigan had surrendered. These three System Lords were only seen during the fifth season's "Summit / Last Stand" two-parter, and until now only Olokun had been mentioned since. Yu and Amaterasu (the latter first seen earlier this season, the former sporadically since the third) were rallying their forces for a final stand, which we'll probably see in the two-part "Reckoning" in a couple weeks.
Ahhh I wondered if they were the ones seen in "Summit". I vaguely remember there being an African Goa'uld?
Does that mean we will be seeing more of the luscious Amateratsu chick!?!
Supposedly she auditioned for the role of Teyla in Atlantis.
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: According to THIS list of all known System Lords, the only remaining major Goa'uld that haven't been accounted for are Kali and possibly Svarog (though he was most likely killed by the Sentinel three years ago). There are certainly more out there, but I doubt that once Baal is dealt with they'll be a major threat.
Mark
The Sentinel - run that by me again? Was that that machine on that planet that those ex-NID members had to fix? How did the system lord fit in around that?
To take out Baal - it's going to have to be a BIG fuckin' episode!
He'd have Ra's, Apophis', Heru'ur, Chronus', Solkar's, Camulus', Nerti's, Anubis' - forces - although Yu may have picked up some - maybe Nerti's?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Olokun was the African-themed guy, and one of the last System Lords to be seen wearing a skirt. Hey, if Zipacna could switch...
The Sentinel is indeed the episode you're talking about. Svarog doesn't show up directly, but you hear his booming voice from the skies demanding obedience, once his Ha'tak pulls into orbit. When the NID guys figure out the machine, all the Jaffa on the ground, plus the mothership just sorta disappear. It's generally assumed that they were all vaporized.
And the disposal of Baal is a HUGE two-parter that is supposed to clear up almost the whole Goa'uld storyline (as it was once assumed that this eighth season would be the last). Will we be seeing Amy again? Maybe, maybe not. She and Camulus were introduced this season to give new, fresh faces in case they wanted to kill off the remaining old guys, so we may yet. Steve Bacic, the guy who plays Camulus, is busy with that rotting cesspool of a show called Andromeda, but that one is rumoured to be on its final season too.
Mark
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Well, Baal wouldn't NEAR have the sum of all those system lord's forces. Apophis assimilated most of Heru'ur and Sokar's fleets, then lost more or less everything in a supernova. And Anubis would have lost a good chunk of his fleet in orbit of Earth. Toss in attrition, and I'd bet well over half the Goa'uld forces that existed when the series started are now gone.
So maybe the Aschen?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Nah. Mallozzi has said that the guy who penned the Aschen arc, Brad Wright, originally had three installments lined up for it, but they're not going to be revisited this season. Besides, Reckoning has Replicarter showing up again, so it'll probably be her who finishes Baal off.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Sorry, I was unclear, I meant as a replacement villian next season.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I doubt it. The Aschen aren't the kind of force that fights, directly or indirectly. Their typical MO of expansion and conquering takes many decades and few bullets, which doesn't make for good TV.
Who then? The Goa'uld and Replicator arcs are supposed to be resolved this season. While there will be various loose ends to tie up with both, I suspect that the "new enemy" that rears its head will indeed by NEW. The OUTSIDE chance would be that, with SG-1 ending with S9 (though with Browder restoring the team to full strength, I frankly wouldn't be surprised with an S10), Atlantis would take over.
This means that the Wraith may be the new baddies, as it was intended in the original spinoff concept: Atlantis WAS on Earth, and its discovery would have triggered the awakening of the Wraith IN the Milky Way, etc. What if the Wraith find a way to the Milky Way and start invading with their hordes of lifesuckers? Would Atlantis follow? Could they?
Mark
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Browder - the dipstick Chrichton? He is NOT joining Stargate... IS HE? Please say no. An unknown would be better. Gah! Is this official? What is it going to be Fargate-SG1
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
New member of SG-1. Quite official. And how many eps of Farscape have you seen, exactly?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
No shit. As good as Stargate can be, I'd erase it from the timeline to get even one more season of Farscape.
It's going to be intresting to see BOwder play someone new (hopefully written with a diffrent personality!).
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: It's going to be intresting to see BOwder play someone new (hopefully written with a diffrent personality!).
Yes, I've seen a lot of Farscape - and I like the show - but I don't know if Ben Browder has the acting "strength" to create an entirely new character. It's way too soon after Farscape.
But if he pulls it off - GREAT! I'll be rootin' for the guy!
I wouldn't have even minded if they pulled an Alternate Kawalsky out of their hat and put HIM in SG1. I mean the character is going to have PRETTY big shoes to fill. Or even get a minor character out from the last 8 years!?!
I know he's not qualified - but Major Davis!?!
Oh and it's Ben Browder not Bowder - J. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...but I don't know if Ben Browder has the acting 'strength' to create an entirely new character."
Well, what else have you seen him in? Myself: nothing. So it's kind of hard to say whether he's able to play more than one character or not. Personally, I would assume that, being an actor, he can act, unless I see otherwise.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It's no small coincidence that the Sci-Fi channel, which owns both SG-1 and Farscape, gets Browder from one of its shows to another. Claudia Black, who guested this season as Vala on SG1 "Prometheus Unbound", will be back for five episodes in season nine to "replace" Colonel Carter when Amanda Tapping is expected to be on maternity leave. While it's probably still the production folks in Vancouver who controlled the casting, you can bet SF is going to be jumping all over this mini-reunion to get Farscape-starved fans on board.
As I understand it, one of the first two episodes will be a sort of flashback episode combining new and old footage, which will weave Browder's character into the series as someone who's "really" been around at the SGC for at least a couple years when they established the F-302 wing.
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Is Wayne Brady going to have to order one of his Jaffa to choke a bitch?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
No, he doesn't last that long. However, on re-watch I kept adding "motherfucker" to the end of his lines, with his delivery. It worked remarkably well.
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, he does, though. OK, not by direct order, but Dr. Jackson does get nearly choked.
(I also thought it was weird how the jumper just sort of disappears at the end.)
((Also I was disappointed at how easily it blew up Ares' ship. Like, OK, I get that the Ancients were superpowerful, but these are supposed to be humble transports. I can't imagine how powerful their warships could have been, if they bothered to build any. Yet the Wraith. . . well, I suppose this is the wrong thread, and we've gone over this already.))
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I watched the end of the episode again the otherday - and yeah all they did was shoot two 'drones' at the mothership... but maybe they are 'smart drones' and know which key systems to attack. Also Wraith took out Ancients in Pegasus... the Goa'uld weren't around when the Ancients were around.
Oh and SOMETHING needed to be done to 'toughen up' Wayne Brady's character - he was the First Prime of Aries... you'd think he'd be a little more... "bad".
The puddlejumper would have just 'disappered' because it's a Stargate Atlantis associated item - Just as there haven't been any real mentions of the Goa'uld in Atlantis.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Except that the jumper has since been mentioned again, and we know it plays a role near the end of the season.
And "Ares" is the Greek god of war. "Aries" is a sheep.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yes apart from that. I was tossing up which to use - I was thinking zodiac! Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Just one question: Isn't it pretty lucky that one of Ares' Jaffa happened to know how to read Ancient? And isn't it even luckier that that Jaffa hapened to be in the party that came to Maybourne's planet? And then, isn't it astronomically improbable that he would be one of the few to go to the ruins to see the prophecy?
I doubt he knew how to read it, but I'm pretty sure they recognized it. I can't read Cyrillic but I'd recognize the writting and know where it came from.
And as for Wayne Brady as a Jaffa... I was expecting Ares to by Drew Carey and order him to do a ho-down then read the names in the credits to the style of his choosing.
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: And as for Wayne Brady as a Jaffa... I was expecting Ares to by Drew Carey and order him to do a ho-down then read the names in the credits to the style of his choosing.
Better Wayne Brady than Colin Mochrie. Just imagine.
*Start hoedown music*
I really am a Jaffa I really really am I really really really really really really am... Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: And as for Wayne Brady as a Jaffa... I was expecting Ares to by Drew Carey and order him to do a ho-down then read the names in the credits to the style of his choosing.
And Ryan Styles and Greg Proops standing next to Drew half naked a la Ra's "kids"!?!
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I'm guessing that they can probably just BARELY fit it into the gate room on Earth, and then modify the silo just above it into a support hangar for the jumper. It most certainly would NOT fit in the gate room at the Alpha Site. Or, they could just leave it on a neutral or abandonned planet... We'll see in a few weeks, I guess.