Can't wait for the new series of dr who . I've heard it goes out on march 26th , bbc1. Apperently they are spending �1,000,000 per episode on it. + Darleks are in it! Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Would they be the ones that roll around screeching "Exterminarte!"?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Yes and their mortal enemy is a flight of stairs!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Flirt of stars, in this case, I think.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I wonder what the cybermen will look like?
I wonder if they will have episodes with older doctors visiting!?! PLEASE PLEASE Paul McGann. Tom Baker too even? Although he would have aged too much to look as he did before the 4th Doctor died. They could get the guy from 'Dead Ringers' to do it!?! Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye they'll skip re-hashing the old villans and come up with new (evil) recurring races.
The Cybermen (later models at least) were pretty cool, but I could live with never seeing another dalek episode.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: Yes and their mortal enemy is a flight of stairs!
In 50 years, you are easily the first person to make that joke. I can't believe no-one else has ever thought of it, ever. Well done sir.
Also, you are wrong. They can hover.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Tom Baker too even? Although he would have aged too much to look as he did before the 4th Doctor died. They could get the guy from 'Dead Ringers' to do it!?!
That wasn't really a problem though when Troughton and Pertwee reappeared. Or rather it was, but they ignored it.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Hey, you know how to escape the daleks? Run up an flight of.....oh.
You'd think they'd just hover all the damn time. Mabye they will in their inevitable appearances in the new series.
Mabye those goofy hemispheres all over the body of the Daleks are antigrav devices or something.
A question: didn't the Doctor (5th?) kill Davros? (it's been a while sice Dr. Who was shown over here)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Hey, you know how to escape the daleks? Run up an flight of.....oh.
You'd think they'd just hover all the damn time. Mabye they will in their inevitable appearances in the new series.
Mabye those goofy hemispheres all over the body of the Daleks are antigrav devices or something.
A question: didn't the Doctor (5th?) kill Davros? (it's been a while sice Dr. Who was shown over here)
None of the Doctors has ever killed Davros, but the 7th blew up Skaro (or more accuratly, got Davros to blow up Skaro). Skaro is in the TV movie, so I think they've had to work around that in the books (by making the planet New Skaro/altering the timeline/whatnot).
Those globes all over a Dalek are sensor domes, I believe. And as to why they don't hover all the time, well, it's not very energy efficient. Plus BBC budget and all. There's a scene in "The Chase" (a really early Hartnell Dalek story, around 1965) where they clearly imply that the Daleks can acend stairs with no problems. We first see them actually hovering in Colin Baker's Dalek story (Revelation of the Daleks, I think), around 1986. And we actually honest-to-god see them floating up a flight of stairs in the really quite good Rememberence of the Daleks (McCoy, 1988).
And I've probably got all those story names wrong, too.
Posted by Neutron_Bomb (Member # 1471) on :
I have checked some facts on the official website and ,according to the producer, yes the daleks will will hover in the new series. www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Liam got the names right. But in "Revelation", I think it was only Davros who was seen floating. But if his ancient chair / lower body could, then modern Daleks certainly could...
A Dalek's bumps are its sensor array. According to the Master, they can detect ion-charged emissions and operate as synthetic beam locators at a distance of up to twenty thousand light years. They're also extremely firm.
Mark
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I thought we saw some of the Imperial Daleks floating too in Revelation. But it's been a while since I've seen that one, so I could be wrong.
Didn't the early Daleks (early story-wise, not Genesis of the Daleks-early) not have those sensor domes?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Is it normal if you have never seen an episode of Dr. Who in your life ever? Because I worry.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The Daleks always had those bumps. They didn't always have the grille-like "solar panels" around the midsection, as they were originally powered by static electricity transmitted through the floor of their cities. Their second appearance (where they invaded Earth) saw this with silly dishes on their back where they recieved their power.
Mark
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Is it normal if you have never seen an episode of Dr. Who in your life ever? Because I worry."
"Normal", probably, in the sense that not spending your time reading a science-fiction online message board is normal. However, since you aren't that sort of normal, you might want to look into remedying this particular deficiency on your part.
Posted by Neutron_Bomb (Member # 1471) on :
The new series episode featuring the daleks will be set , at least partly , on skaro.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Skaro is the homeworld of the Daleks? Davros built them didn't he? When was Skaro seen in the Telemovie?
Can we have a brief history of the Daleks please? I mean I've seen a number of Dr. Who episodes but the closest I got to seeing a Dalek story was that Dalek in "The Five Doctors" - I guess I just kept missing the Dalek episodes when I was on a Dr. Who watching 'mode'. I missed the episode where Tegan left - I think that was a Dalek episode - she was sick of the death or something? I've mainly seen 4th, 5th and 6th Dr. Who episodes (And 8th).
Peri's breasts.
I just had to say that.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The history of the Daleks is a bit...tricky. Lots of Doctor Who canon can be argued against being canon due to all the time travel involved. The most common theory (or at least the one that's easiest to copy and paste) is that there are two distinct Dalek timelines, with "Genesis of the Daleks" being the point where things changed (that's the episode where Baker's Doctor was ordered to go to Skaro to stop the Daleks from ever being created. It was also the first with Davros in.)
Bear in mind that what's below is part-theory, part fact (or at least fact as presented to us in the episode), so don't take it as 100% gospel. It's also possible it was written by someone who really, really hates Davros.
Also, y'know, spoilers for every Doctor Who Dalek episode ever.
FIRST HISTORY OF THE DALEKS: In The Daleks, Thal records - a mixture of oral legend and historical texts - are said to go back about half a million years. The Thals were a warrior race, while the ancestors of the Daleks (Kaleds) were teachers and philosophers. About 500 years before the events of The Daleks a thousand-year-old degenerative war between the two races came to a conclusion (Genesis of the Daleks). Davros, the leading Kaled scientist, developed the Daleks as a 'housing' for mutated Kaleds. He was killed by his creatures after slaughtering the majority of his people. As a term of contempt, the Thals termed the (remaining) Kaleds 'Dalek people' (or - on one occasion in The Daleks - Dals).
Despite these events, the war did not end until the Thals exploded a single neutron bomb. The destruction was so great that the Thals themselves were affected by the radiation. They committed themselves to pacifism as a result.
A group of advanced Daleks survived the explosion by leaving the planet in a hastily constructed spacecraft. Those Daleks left behind were early products of Davros's experimental programme and, although many survived the neutron bomb, they remained trapped in the bunkers beneath the Kaled city for centuries. These Daleks were dependent on both static electricity and high levels of radiation, and their weapons were comparatively weak. The primitive Daleks were destroyed by the Doctor in this story.
(The Doctor never establishes the date of this story, and his comment in The Dalek Invasion of Earth - that The Daleks is set a million years in the future - is pure (inaccurate) speculation. By the time of Planet of the Daleks (the 26th-century ) the tale of the Thal�s penetration of the Dalek city has become a legend.)
The more advanced Daleks developed their own technology, which enabled non-Kaleds to become Dalek mutants. A large number then returned to Skaro and began working on time travel technology in conjunction with Theodore Maxtible (The Evil of the Daleks). (The date is difficult to ascertain, but would have to be somewhere between the 19th and mid-22nd centuries.) Civil war broke out on Skaro, and for a long time the Thals were once more able to live there in peace.
One of the ships that escaped the destruction on Skaro crashed on Vulcan in the 21st or early 22nd century. (Therefore, they recognise the second Doctor, and the Earth colonists have not heard of the Daleks.) Mankind's first major encounter with the Daleks came a little later in 2164. When the Daleks were defeated (The Dalek Invasion of Earth) they completed their time travel programme ('The Daleks discovered the secret of time travel') and attempted to turn this defeat into victory by going back in time and invading the Earth in the late 21st century. ('We have invaded Earth again. We have changed the pattern of history.')
The Doctor's intervention a century later (Day of the Daleks) was so successful that this alternative time-line did not happen. (The Daleks knew of the Doctor, but did not recognise his third incarnation, using a mind analysis machine to confirm his identity.)
Stung by their twin defeats, the Daleks pursued the first incarnation of the Doctor (The Chase), reasoning that if his future intervention could be neutralised their plans would succeed.
Between the 23rd and 25th centuries the Daleks encountered the third Doctor in an untelevised adventure, and then developed a deadly space plague (Death to the Daleks). (The Doctor is recognised in Death to the Daleks, which would seem to take place before Planet of the Daleks.)
In the 26th century the Daleks planned to destroy the Earth-Draconia pact (Frontier in Space), and then conquer the galaxy with a huge, invisible army (Planet of the Daleks).
On Skaro meanwhile, the Thals ended a period of pacifistic isolation by developing space craft. Their first lengthy mission was to Spiridon, where, with the Doctor's help, the Daleks were defeated again. (The Daleks in that story identify the Doctor.)
Mission to the Unknown states that for over a thousand years the Dalek campaign ignored the Milky Way completely. From approximately 3500 they waged campaigns in the Ninth Galactic System and in the constellation of Mir, conquering 70 and 40 planets in the two regions respectively. The Daleks also returned to Skaro, wiping out the Thals who lived there. They had hoped to receive a new direction from their creator, but Davros had not survived.
In the year 4000 the Daleks returned their attention to the solar system, forging an alliance with other races (The Daleks' Master Plan). Once again, the Doctor interceded.
Despite all these defeats the Daleks were never entirely wiped out and the Time Lords predicted a time when the Daleks could become the dominant life-form in the cosmos. As a result of the Doctor's intervention Dalek 'history' was massively changed. (See The second history of the Daleks).
SECOND HISTORY OF THE DALEKS:
The Doctor does succeed in changing history in Genesis of the Daleks. The events of previous Dalek stories, if they happened at all, are now vastly different. The Doctor delays Dalek development by 1000 years, but, more importantly, his actions cause Davros to remain alive.
The Doctor's warnings about the dangers of the Daleks had some effect on their creator, making him paranoid enough to activate a force field in his chair. He thus survives the Daleks' assassination attempt. In the previous time line, Davros was killed and forgotten. Davros also remembered some of the Dalek defeats mentioned by the Doctor. For example, the Daleks retain an interest in Earth and want to invade it again, especially as Davros thinks he knows how they were defeated.
The Daleks, unaware that Davros survived their attack, leave Skaro as soon as they can, going out into space and abandoning their homeworld. They either exterminate the Thals when they leave the bunker or note with disinterest that they have already gone. Embroiled in a war with the Movellans, a group of Daleks return to Skaro many centuries later (Destiny of the Daleks). Davros is, however, taken prisoner by humans, and the Daleks are forced to fight the Movellans without his help.
The Movellans win the war with a virus. Ninety years later a detachment of surviving Daleks rescue their imprisoned creator (Resurrection of the Daleks). The Daleks recognise the Doctor, perhaps from their tactical survey of Gallifrey. This faction is led by the Dalek Supreme, and they have returned to Skaro, perhaps hoping to recover information and equipment left behind.
One hundred years later Davros arrives on Nekros, his programme to turn humans into Daleks already well advanced. (Perhaps when interrogated the Doctor told Davros of the events of Evil of the Daleks, leading Davros to conclude that if the Daleks possess some of the 'human factor' they will not be slaves to logic, and will not be drawn into an impasse as with the Movellans.)
Skaro is known and feared by humans as the Dalek homeworld, but the creatures are not regarded as being an overwhelming threat. (In this time line the combined Draconian/human peace is strong enough to encourage such complacency.) The Supreme Dalek arrests Davros (Revelation of the Daleks) and tries him.
On Skaro, Davros wins the arguments regarding human tissue and mentality, and takes over the white/gold Daleks, augmenting them and himself. He becomes Emperor (perhaps again trying to duplicate a successful pattern described by the Doctor). However, some Daleks rebel over the issue of racial purity.
They learn of the Hand of Omega and leave Skaro to retrieve it and use it to threaten or destroy Davros. Both factions use their primitive time corridor technology to return to Earth in 1963 (Remembrance of the Daleks). Skaro is destroyed by the Hand 1000 years before or after (according to the Doctor) - probably after, putting the date of its destruction somewhere around the 30th century. Davros is left in space near Earth in 1963.
Prior to Genesis of the Daleks, Davros did not feature in Dalek history and was never referred to. Without him the Daleks had a solid, cohesive empire, always with one purpose. With him around they are a mess of squabbling factions, incapable of the unity needed to develop dimensionally transcendental time travel. Whilst Davros lives the Daleks will remain disorganised, and will never become the threat that the Time Lords so feared.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Thanks. Posted by Neutron_Bomb (Member # 1471) on :
Wow Psyliam , u really know your daleks! + Just seen a picture of new dalek. Looks pretty much the same except for a couple of tiny cosmetics. However the one I saw was gold. Perhaps this was the infamous 'Supreme Dalek'?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I've got this old "The Ultimate Doctor Who and the Daleks" book that chronicles everything through "Revelation", which I should really dig up again. They do a unified history of the Daleks which maintains the final Troughton Dalek story (meant to be the end of the Daleks so Nation could market them elsewhere) AS the ultimate end of the Daleks, with everything else fitting in between. I'm not a great fan of Davros (it really relegated the Daleks to the role of thugs following the guy around), and I do hope that the new series disposes of the guy permenantly so as to not act as a sonic-screwdriver-esque crutch, but I'd think he should stay within a proper unified continuity.
Mark
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
Doctor Who has never aired in Sweden the latest decades, it has never been popular enough I think.
I've never seen one episode, how many are there in total? I wonder how much the whole DVD set would cost.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Don't think they're all out on DVD only a handful.
And there were roughly:
26 seasons, 158 stories, 700 episodes. 3, 4 or 5 episodes in each 'story'. There are a number of episodes missing from the earlier years as the BBC destroyed the tapes to make more room in their warehouse or something like that. Plus there was the Doctor Who TV Movie with Paul McGann as the 8th Doctor made in 1996. Alot didn't like it, Alot did. I did.
If you lived in the UK or Australia or New Zealand Doctor Who might have been a staple of your childhood years - in Australia I remember it being on each night at 6 or 6:30 before the News on the ABC.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Wow Psyliam , u really know your daleks!"
Or, at least, he knows how to copy and paste from the BBC's Web site. (Which he mentioned.)
"+ Just seen a picture of new dalek."
Where?
Posted by Neutron_Bomb (Member # 1471) on :
The picture I saw appeared in The Sun newspaper a few weeks ago over here in england. I have only just seen it though! I shall try to find a link to it.
Posted by Neutron_Bomb (Member # 1471) on :
Note that this isn't REALLY a new Dalek - the rumour is that this may be the last of the OLD Daleks, which clears the way for a new breed of mechanical monsters to show up later it he season.
Mark
Posted by Neutron_Bomb (Member # 1471) on :
You may be right but they would be mad to get rid of the old design. Its so iconic.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Doctor Who fans are in for a special treat when the new series hits the screens - Daleks with legs.
The BBC is considering solving the greatest challenge facing the trundling terminators: that of climbing a simple flight of stairs. What's more, the new-look salt cellars may also have the ability to fly.
Baaaad idea.
...unless it's the thing inside the Dalek's "head" they're referring to. I recall one of etting out and killing someone in Tegan's final episode.
It reminded me of the bad guys from Krull. (Liam Neeson's bestest movie evar!)
[ January 12, 2005, 12:18 AM: Message edited by: Jason Abbadon ]
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
That Dalek looks just a little bit too exactly the same as the old ones, just in a new colour scheme. I'd have expected them to look a bit more hi-tech, even if they were showing "old" ones. 10 years and a substantiously increaded budget should have allowed for that.
As for Troughton's final Dalek story, was that the one with the "human factor" thing in? There was a bit in the first Pertwee Dalek story where they confront him and say that they hunted down the infected Daleks and exterminated them, but it was cut out for timing reasons. So I dislike calling it the last episode for that reason if nothing else. (Plus the fact that the Daleks are so different Before and After Davros that it's quite easy to support the "two histories" theory.)
quote:Originally posted by Neutron_Bomb: Perhaps this was the infamous 'Supreme Dalek'?
The Supreme Dalek was definitely seen a couple of times, and possibly seen a few more (they were slightly inconsistent with the names in some episodes). The Dalek Surpeme was normally seen as being larger than the other Daleks and black.
Posted by Neutron_Bomb (Member # 1471) on :
How about the Tardis? what would people what to see in the new control room design? I know they intend to keep the idea of having a large room with controls in the center but i have also heard that the new design will be 'Organic'. They always hinted toward the tardis having a mind of its own , so I wonder if they are going to make it a part living entity , a bit like Farscapes moya perhaps?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well I abolutely adored the look of the Tardis in the Telemovie - it was awesome - very stylish.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I think almost everyone who wasn't an idiot loved the look of the TARDIS in the TV movie. It nicely updated the original "shock" of the vessel (it's bigger on the inside than the outside!) for us more SFX-cynical people (it can travel through time and yet it looks really old fashioned and it's bigger on the inside than the outside!).
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I wasn't a fan of the TV movie's addition of so MANY old things though, including the use of a 1950s television as the main monitor. The production designer IMO tried a little TOO hard for the Jules Verne look the producers wanted, and I personally would have preferred a more alien, timeless approach than the 19th-century Victorian thing. Aside from the main console and support girders (which I liked), the rest of the set looked like a big old library.
The new series set, which has yet to be glimpsed by anyone willing to leak a picture (and incur the wrath of lawyers) returns to the alien stylings but with an organic, coral-like approach. The circular roundels are back on the walls, and the column stretches right to the ceiling.
If you want to sign on to outpostgallifrey.net's forums, in the spoilers section you'll find a variety of descriptions and excellent fan sketches that guess at what the console room looks like. If you can deal with the Whovian fan's tendency to OVERANALYZE EVERY SINGLE DETAIL, it's a fun look at how people will be let down when the show ultimately comes out.
Mark
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: If you can deal with the Whovian fan's tendency to OVERANALYZE EVERY SINGLE DETAIL
Didn't think I'd ever see that remark on this board.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Hey, laugh it off - what we do here is a drop in the bucket compared to how anal and overanalyical those guys are. Regarding this new show, they've got threads that are hundreds of posts long EACH concerning the size of the new TARDIS prop, what the new sonic screwdriver can do, what those Dalek bumps actually do, the length of the Doctor's hair compared to that of his predecessors (and what that means for his personality and actions in a given episode)... Dunno about you guys, but while our level of compulsion for tech stuff is admittedly wierd but tolerable, we hardly match the stereotype of Comic Book Guy or everyone in the "Get a Life" audience. These guys do - every one of them.
And the hardcores - thousands of aged, vocal fans - have spent the past seventeen years analyzing a dead show, and nurturing their expectations for the good Doctor's return. I fear rioting when the new show comes out, regardless of how good it may be.
Mark
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Do they get 100 tacos for $100 to sustain them through their Dr. Who marathons?
Posted by Neutron_Bomb (Member # 1471) on :
I agree they tend to take things a little far. I could not even get on to that particular forum as apperently I did not have the 'right kind' of email address (and I had ten for them to choose from!) Sad people!
Posted by Neutron_Bomb (Member # 1471) on :
Er..I didn't sound to bitter just then I hope?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I wonder how long it will be before they bring in The Master or Omega or some other rogue TImelord?
It'd be intresting to actually see one become rogue after following The Doctor's example. Mabye some evil female Timelord...
An aquaintance of mine is building (on comission) a 3/4 scale Tardis prop as some rich floridian's changing room for a pool. It's cool to see Tardis parts all over his workshop.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Some pre-release material earmarks the Doctor as "the last of the Timelords". If this is true, then it may fit in with the Doctor Who novel universe, where the eighth Doctor is responsible for... Ehh, too many spoilers. Find out yourself.
As for rogue female Timelords, we've got the Rani who was featured in two stories as a rogue Gallifreyan chemist with no scruples or morals. She was meant as a replacement for the Master, but it didn't quite work out that way. But hey, we don't know on which regeneration she was, so a sexy new incarnation of the Rani would fit in easily. Unlike the Master, who could have been on up to his 17th incarnation, depending on how you saw it.
Mark
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
So exactly what defines a "Timelord"? Is everyone on Gallifrey considered a "Timelord"? Are only the best considered such, are they a rare thing - maybe akin to an Istari (Wizard) in Middle Earth?
I did see bits of "Trial of a Timelord" - and there were lots wearing that funky 'head-dress' - which I liked - except for that whipy little white one the woman was wearing. But the Colin Baker years were kinda boring - and he's kinda annoying. Were they all Timelords?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
They would ahve all been Timelords, yes. But I think there are some Tom Baker episodes which state that there is a population on Gallifrey which aren't Timelords. Proles, if you will. Almost every Gallifreyan seen in the series (especially if they are dressed appallingly) is a Timelord, though.
As to what defines it...I'm not sure. I'd suggest that only Timelords can regenerate and that the general population on Gallifrey can't, but that's just theory not backed up by anything.
Colin Baker was maybe annoying, but he wasn't boring. The problem was that he was very badly written. An acid tongued Doctor was a great contrast to Davison's more mellow (or wet, if you want to be harsh) incarnation, but they had a tendency to just make him a bit of a bitch. And his costume was easily the worst of the lot.
Posted by Neutron_Bomb (Member # 1471) on :
I think they should do an episode like the st:ds9 one with the tribbles i.e new characters intercut with an old episode. Seeing the new doc back in london during the Dalek invasion would be pretty cool. + I agree colin baker's doctor was very poorly written .But if you read any 6th doctor novels or listen to the audio stuff , those guy have done wonders for the character.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Also as for rogue Time Ladies (not necessarily bad guys, though), there's Romana. Granted, she was left in E-space, but apparently the novels and/or audio adventures brought her back and made her Lord High President. And, from what I hear, she became a bit evil herself. But, regardless, if they can bring her out of E-space, so could the series.
Also, Susan is presumably still out there somewhere. It'd be neat if they brought her back in a regeneration that looks older than the new Doctor, but make a sort of joke of her calling him "grandfather".
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Dax!
Other rogue Timelords that are possibly still out there include Drax, K'anpo and the Meddling Monk. Deceased Gallifreyans who had "retired" from Time Lord status included Chronotis and Azmael.
For an absurdly complete series production guide, try this:
It feels really strange to read all this, given I was hiding behind the sofa during Dr. Who before many of you were born. And that may be a clich�, watching it from behind the sofa, but I really did. I still loved the show, no matter how scary I found it. . . but following it was hard, given the many years of the seventies I spent abroad; and in the 80's, more time abroad, combined with the draconian bedtimes of a boarding school, exacerbated by the disastrous change to Colin Baker, brought my interest to a close. I got over my sense of outrage when they replaced Jon Pertwee with Tom Baker (yes, I'm old enough to remember the third Doctor, sad, huh?) and came to love the latter as my favourite Doctor; Peter Davison was OK though. So I know virtually nothing about the show's mythology behind the basics. Russell Davies is a fan and I bet he's done his research, but I hope the new series will take account of us old-school viewers who can't do much better than remember the difference between Daleks and Cybermen.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: And his costume was easily the worst of the lot.
Yeah - it was very 'eighties'. All that pink and yellow and the patches. He might as well have had pink feather hair clips or a thin black leather tie!
So just going back to the "Timelord" bit - did all Timelords have some sort of temporal perception or manipulation over time?
Was the Doctor considered a 'rouge' Timelord?
And Susan - his Granddaughter - she was a Timelord too? Through heritary? So does that mean her Mother/Father also became Timelords or can there be Timelords that don't know they are Timelords that go on living their normal lives? Or even choose not to be a Timelord - given that "Timelord" is an occupation or position or craft - instead of just a race/species name.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Was the Doctor considered a 'rouge' Timelord?"
Well, the Time Lords have a strict law of non-interference with the rest of the universe (think Prime Directive taken to complete isolationism).
The Doctor stole a TARDIS and made it his life's work to get as involved in the rest of the universe as he possibly could.
So, yeah, I'd say "rogue" is probably the nicest of the terms the Time Lords would use for him.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
To ramp up our nerdery, surely the better analogy is that he is the Time Lord's Uatu?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I wouldn't know, but I looked it up, and... sure.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Susan had left the series before "regeneration", "Gallifrey" and "Time Lord" were even thought up, much less mentioned. So whether she is actually his physical "he must have children because they've had a kid themselves" grandfather, or it's a nickname for a different sort of relationship is a bit up in the air. I believe the novels go with the later idea (certainly he didn't seem to mind leaving her behind to get married on 21st century Earth, even though she would have lived several hundred years longer than her husband. Even during one regeneration Time Lords seem to have life spans of a few decades).
I remember when Davison's version met her during the 5 Doctors.
First Doctor: "And this is my granddaughter, Susan."
Fifth Doctor: "Yes, I know" (ENIGMATIC SMILE!)
The way the first Doctor said "this is MY granddaughter" always implied to me that it wasn't a family thing, but something else. On the other hand, Davison's ENIGMATIC SMILE says the reverse. So you can take it how you want, I guess.
And "Timelord" is often treated as being the name of the species in the series rather than the more logical (but more boring) "Gallifreyan".
I think the Time Lords called the Doctor everything from "rogue" to "renegade" to "maniac". "Rogue" was definitely the most common term though, with "renegade" usually being reserved for the Master and the Rani.
And Davis is a good enough fighter that he'l incorporte past canon (both real and some fan stuff) without it being fan wank "let's do this because the fans will think it's cool".
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Thanks for the clarification. What are you getting at with the 5th Doctor vs 1st Doctor!?! That the Susan and the First Doctor has some sort of weird sexual fetish/relationship where he liked to be referred to as "grandfather"? Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
No, not like that. Possibly more an adoption/fostering type situation. I believe that the books come up with some sort of story whereby the first Doctor rescues her from something and there was confusion and McCoy was dark and it was all terribly depressing or something. The first Doctor might feel more protective towards her because he was the incarnation that saved her. Or it might have simply been his crotechtey personality that made him think that he'd be closer to her than the other Doctors.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
OK, cool thanks. Just to make clear - you did KNOW I was making a joke about the fetish thing... I hope. Posted by Neutron_Bomb (Member # 1471) on :
WARNING - SPOILERS Here r some facts i have learned regarding what to expect in the new series. The 1st episode will be called Rose and will feature the return of the Autons( the shop window dummy aliens). One episode will see the doc and Rose meet with Charles Dickens. Another ep will be set on a space station at the very end of time. An ep will be set in london in the very distant future. 1 will be set in 1986 as Rose trys to prevent a loved ones death. one involving zombies at albion hospital during ww2. Mark Gatiss( league of gentleman) will continue to write for the new series and ,altough she choose not to this year , J K Rowling may write 1 episode for the show if it return for a second year.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
All this and more is readily available at outpostgallifrey.net .
Mark
Posted by Neutron_Bomb (Member # 1471) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: All this and more is readily available at outpostgallifrey.net .
Mark
Info has to be got from somewhere ! would you have preferred it if I had got it from a place nobody else could get it? I.e just made stuff up. I put stuff like that on here in case others have not already seen it. I thought I was being helpful, sorry.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Whoa, dude. I'm not disputing or belittling anything you posted. Just adding to it, in case people wanted to verify sources or get more ancillary stuff, since you didn't say where you got this info (and at which point, many people here could conclude that you DID pull those facts out of your ass).
If there's anywhere online to get the lowdown, it's OG.net.
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