Goddammit, someone really needs to take the Orb of Ultimate Evil away from the Sci-Fi Channel. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
WOO HOO! Now they can concentrate on more real sci-fi...
Like wrestelin'! Maybe they can get NASCAR too...
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Oh, oh, can we get some soaps on during the day too!!!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
This is kind of silly. "The future of Stargate is in question today," as the spinoff is renewed and apparently MGM draws enough eyeballs to the property to make a sequel to a twelve year old movie viable.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What what what WHAT!?! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think we knew this was sort of coming but didn't want to acknowledge it. The cost of paying the same established actors after 10 years is too much. They should have renamed it Stargate Command... but maybe they had their reasons not to.
Bring on a movie!!
They better wrap the series up properly!
I honestly think that torrents make an impact on the show's ratings too.
If they wanted to look at the 'search stats' or 'downloads' of Stargate each week - they'd see on some (bIg Sites On tHis Uh, NeT) that its at the top.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Isohunt. *looks around* Nope, nothing. ISOHUNT!!! Hmm. Momento, por favor. *goes into bathroom, looks in mirror* Isohunt, Isohunt, Isohunt, Isohunt, Isohunt! *Tony Todd fails to appear* I mean, really, do we expect the MPAA to leap into action, shouting "A critically-challenged Australian has just uttered the name of the Site That Shall Not Be Named on a website! Quick, we must stop this!"
I'd never even heard of the place before I looked it up just now. And based on the amount of heat it's getting, I'm likely to avoid it like the plague, and so should everyone else. And, stay in school, kids.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Friends don't let friends drink and drive, without them.
It doesn't make sense, no, but, putting wraslin' on didn't either.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
NOOOOO!!! Where will I get my weekly dose of the word "Indeed"?
Honestly, I'm not really suprised. I'd been expecting it to get cancelled since season six, a.k.a. "That year without Daniel". To me, it was almost like Sci-Fi was channeling the Dread Pirate Roberts. "Good night, sleep well, most likely cancel you in the morning."
So when do we screw up Devlin's plans and get an SG-1 movie?
B.J.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Probably pretty soon. SG-1 is still insanely popular in Europe, and I doubt they'll be able to properly finish the Ori storyline by the end of this year. So, I'm gonna bet on their doing a series of telemovies (shades of "200" and "Farscape" here) that will close everything off.
Mark
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Well lets hope BSG doesn't suffer the same fate.
"Yeah..uh..hi BSG guys. I just wanted to let you know we won't be needing anymore episodes from you..ah..we just feel your intriguing storyline, strong characters, and amazing special effects just don't represent the kind of sci-fi we want to show. But hey, don't forget the Sci-Fi orginal movie "Dinocroc vs. Re-animator" starring Jeffrey Combs this Saturday night."
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Hope is NOT lost. In a folow-up article, an Executive Producer says:
"As far as the future I can't comment yet because nothing has been confirmed," Cooper said. "What we want to emphasize is that the franchise is not dying. SG-1 will go on in some way. We're just not ready to announce how."
So, like I said: tele-movies.
Mark
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Final Episode: The Furlings vs. Ori, Two out of Three Falls with no Time Limit.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Maybe they'll get JMS to take over... Or make it an online RPG... Or make a bunch of tele-movies (each one far worse than the last with less budget and no original cast)... Or make an animated series... Or make a seroes of popular (but basicly bad) movies that stroke the actor's egos and allow them "creative input"... Or they'll just rush the rest of the season into some giant super showdown that resolves the war but ends on a low point as everyone goes their seperate ways...
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Or make an animated series...
Already done. It failed miserably. Of course it was connected to Stargate in name only.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Misohunt.
Posted by Xenon (Member # 1894) on :
I'm only a little disappointed that SG-1 has been cancelled. Ten years for any SF tv series is a phenomenal run. Heck, ten years is an excellent run for any series, period. We've only gotten to the end of Season 9 here in Canada, but it's as good as it ever was. I'd rather see the series end after a good 10th season than after, say, a really crappy 12th or 13th season...
And Stargate Atlantis will continue to at least Season 4... word has it that at least one cast member from SG-1 will move to Atlantis.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Why would they need to? The ony SG1 member without a SGA knock-off is Daniel Jackson...and while I'd love to see his character live in Atlantis (and bring Jackson's much needed sense of awe and wonder to the show) I doubt the actor is up for it.
Though this is the one chance for SGA to become it's own unique show instead of the West Coast Avengers of sci-fi.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
You know though, that contest to walk through the gate on both shows is something of a joke then.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: "A critically-challenged Australian has just uttered the name of the Site That Shall Not Be Named on a website! Quick, we must stop this!"
Critically-challenged!?!
Bah - just because I like to post incoherent feelings about things doesn't mean I'm critically challenged, it means i'm being half-arsed. Get it right.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
I love how SG1 gets cancelled after ten -- TEN! -- seasons, and people are immediately worried that BSG -- now going into it's third season -- will suddenly and immediately be cancelled.
For what it's worth, I think ten seasons might be considered a bit long in the tooth. I've never been a fan of SG1, but a lot of shows -- in my experience -- tend to go downhill the longer they're on air. I won't make judgements regarding SG1, but if BSG lasts for six or seven years (as there's no reason to expect it won't), I won't be heartbroken if it then gets the ax.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Jeff, it isn't so bad when they end a show in a decent matter, but I always dislike it when they end a show without finishing the major arc that they are on.
Using FarScape as an example, ending it on a cliffhanger, then making a shitty movie as the ending was pathetic.
SG-1 could have had one more decent season to wrap things up.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Indeed, they could just TELL them that this would be the last season, even behind the scenes, and then let them have the time to wrap it up. It's been noted that this it the first year that the actors and crew have had multi-year contracts since the fifth - since the move to Sci-Fi, the show has been as though they'd be cancelled at the end of each season. Now everyone's contracted through season eleven, and THEN they cut it.
Not a whole season, but give 'em at elast two TV-movies to close everything up. Four ideally, IMO.
Mark
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Okay, Peacekeeper Wars was most excellent. Shut your face, Ritten.
Multi-year contracts seem to mean nothing on scifi. Farscape was guaranteed to get a fifth season before being canceled after its fourth. What I'm wondering is WHY SG-1 is being canceled. They've said it's unrelated to the ratings.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Because the Sci-Fi Channel is a penny-pinching mini-network with delusions of greatness. As big a fan as I am of the genre, and despite the critics' raves over Galactica, science fiction will never become mainstream television. Rather than make steady, reliable income, the Sci-Fi Channel would rather make a quick buck by ditching a long-term investment in favor of more shitty "Sci-Fi Originals." Oh yeah, and fifteen commercials for the same dreck every single hour.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
After ten years I imagine the salaries must be staggering.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Sci-fi may never become mainstream tv (except for, y'know, Lost), but it isn't like Sci-Fi is axing SG1 after its first season. The show ran for ten fucking seasons. It isn't like its getting the short changed.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Certainly not, Snay, but the reason I'm complaining is because, as has been stated, the producers had creative plans in place. A critical part of recurring (especially sci-fi) dramas these days is the ongoing story arc. Sci-Fi knows that. And yet they follow these policies anyway. It doesn't engender viewer trust. After all, how are they going to end up treating Galactica in a few years?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
They've aired, what, all of five episodes? Six? Not exactly a stealth cancellation.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
They should just give them Season 11 to wrap everything up.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
They should just go public (correct me if they are publicly owned) and let the stockholders vote on shit like that.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Omega, while I enjoyed the movie I am commenting on the stuffing of a season in to a tiny little space or air time.
Well, did you ever see the NBC Universal screens with NBC's little three tone theme on Sci-Fi?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: They've aired, what, all of five episodes? Six? Not exactly a stealth cancellation.
Yeah, but how much further are they into the season's production? Over at GateWorld (note: SPOILERS!), they've got listings all the way through episode 17 (out of 20).
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Exactly - just give them season 11
They cancelled it based on 5 episodes out of 10 YEARS??
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
AndrewR --
I think what Sol means is that they're not waiting until the end of the season to tell the production folks at SG1, "Hey, ya'll are costing more than you're bringing in, and frankly, you're kind of stagnant. Get lost."
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
MM:
I think I read somewhere that Ron Moore only has a six or seven season run planned for BSG.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It wont come to that- not without massive interference from ci-Fi to boost ratings (maybe bring some WRESTELING in to the show, Ron!).
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Update from TV Guide - the producers might want to go TV movie, as predicted.
Mark
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
RDM has no plan for Battlestar, especially not out to six or seven years.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: AndrewR --
I think what Sol means is that they're not waiting until the end of the season to tell the production folks at SG1, "Hey, ya'll are costing more than you're bringing in, and frankly, you're kind of stagnant. Get lost."
OK, even still they've planned for an arc for another year - so all the stories are pretty much planned for season 10 - they need to have season 11 to wrap up.
PLUS - they are still going ahead with BSG: Caprica??!?!
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote: PLUS - they are still going ahead with BSG: Caprica??!?!
Well, as they also said, it's because the actors' pay also is going up. And I guess there comes some point where they figure, it's enough. (Dunno how the contracts figure in there.) It's understandable, I'm not complaining about that. TV is still of course a business, not a charity. But I really still wish that they'd respect their producers and give more notice... saying "you get one more year, then that's it."
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
The biggest problem for any sci-fi show, IMO, is that they cost a lot more to produce than just about any other genre out there. That tends to show up on the pennypinchers' radar quite often. SG-1 did initially keep the cost down by using current military gear and the frequent Vancouver-class planet, but I would imagine the cost has grown over the years with all the new sets and effects.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Also, and here I guess I am being snarky, but I think it is also true: it seems to me that every SG-1 Big Bad is ultimately done in by a last-minute superweapon in the course of a single episode.
The show isn't (or doesn't seem to me to be) particularly arcy, even when they are in the middle of an arc. The situations change rapidly, rather than being drawn out in the manner of, say, Battlestar Galactica or Lost. For instance, that one Replicator kid wasn't in many episodes before being replaced by Robot Carter, who herself was only in two. Or was it three? Maybe the latter was a two-parter, but anyway it seems to me that she was introduced in one episode (I am not counting that brief end-of-the-show first appearance.) and then was destroyed in her next appearance.
That isn't a complaint, by the way, or rather it isn't necessarily a complaint. There were times when I wished they would do more with some villain or concept that they seemed to use up very quickly. But my point is they don't usually take much time to resolve plots.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Unless you count Oma as a superweapon, Anubis wasn't Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, if "superweapon" merely implies deus ex machina, then she would be.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Don S. Davis apparently said at Dragon*Con that there would be three movies, most likely TV movies, and that the existing cast had signed on. Also, apparently at least some of the SG-1 cast (I'm guessing Carter and Jackson, and perhaps OCCASIONALLY Teal'c) would be moving to Atlantis as recurring characters next year.
It survives!
Mark
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Great news, but why are we hearing this through Don?
Posted by Chris (Member # 71) on :
Maybe Hammond will be returning for the TV movies?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Oh, I'd still like to see at least one BIG screen movie.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Carter and Meredith on the same base....a love story just waiting to happen.
Seriously though, the dynamics will be crappy. Adding Carter is redundant as Atlantis already has a resident brainiac in McKay. Jackson's character always worked best as a foil/counterbalance to O'neall so there's no real place for him other than studying up on Ancient. The big "A" already has the resident "BAD DUDE, BAD DUDE" in Ronon so there's no real point in Teal'c being there to cock his eyebrow and give the ubiquitous "Indeed". And Vala? Her character has had a hard enough time finding a niche in SG1.
I don't want them to turn this into a fan-boy-lovefest.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
No shit, but it is a big city- nothing says they have to all be in every episode. A big city that they seem to have given up on exploring...but I digress.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Didn't Weir mention an episode or two back somethng about the amount of the city explored to date?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yes, they're about halfway done - it's been going faster now thanks to the holochamber guide and the ZPM, but now that the latter is expended they'll have to dial it back again.
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