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Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
Well this episode certainly changed things and narrowed the possibilities considerably. The bad guys have really taken a hit with Linderman & the Eric Roberts character both getting cranial ventilation. The apparent death of D.J. wasn't so shocking. But why didn't he just phase Nikki instead of jumping in front of her? Did the Feds do something to prevent Ted from radiating? You have to love Hiro's "You Villain! VILLAIN!" to Nathan.

Who is in charge of the "Company" now? And did I mistake the previews or was Parkman shown gut-shot on the street with his Ex-Partner trying to stop the bleeding in next week's episode?
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Yeah Parkman was shot, I hadn't even noticed until someone told me. But it seems history has changed as I think Sylar could really be the one who blows up and seems psyched about it.
 
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Linderman seemed pretty dead, but he is a healer, so who knows? By the way, it's nice to know what it looks like when someone materializes his fist inside your skull!

We learned a few more 'previous generation' heroes. Mr. Petrelli also had powers, and so, apparently, does Nakamura Senior. And both of these left Linderman's group. This might get a bit of a long list if superpowers are really 100% hereditary, and if all the parents are somehow involved with Linderman. It is sort of implied that their generation was the first... I guess we need some big 'origin story' in the coming seasons.

So.. does Bennett have any powers or not? It seemed almost as if he had some extra-special way of convincing Parkman to come with him into the building, and he knew exactly what Thompson (?) was about to do. Perhaps he has the ability to plant thoughts into people head, a l� Darren Brown?

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Did the Feds do something to prevent Ted from radiating?
I would think not. He specifically asked for a concrete cell with lead encasing.
 
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Yah, Ted really doesn't want to hurt anyone. And finding out that he might be responsible for blowing up NY was enough to get him to leave town.

It would seem as though history is changing big time with Linderman dead. I'm not sure anyone's running the Company now. This will no doubt cause interesting possibilities for Congressman Patrelli no longer being under the boot of Big L.

So... Candice is really a lardo. Too bad. Interesting twist on her character though. I hope she doesn't die. She fine.

Where's the Hatian. He seemed to be tight with Ma Patrelli and now he's just gone. Do the comics give any insight. And whatever happened to Wireless?

It seems from the previews that Peter will be forced to use his radioactive powers to stop Sylar from doing the same... or something like that. I'll bet you money that the season ends on a cliffhanger with the bomb going off and us not knowing which one of them popped.
 
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
Yeah, I was thinking that the other day - did they just decide they hated the Wireless character, and so only gave us all of 30 seconds of her? I have to applaud the decision if so...I mean, Ok, I can buy that she can listen to radio waves, but it's a hell of a lot more complicated than that to get an IM to pop up. You'd have to be able to neurologically emulate a satellite connection with appropriate protocols, and inside that, TCP/IP, and inside that, the appropriate IM protocol (with valid username and password, and possibly encryption). Of course Mika's 'talking to computers' is also a lot simpler than it should be...there's still security to bypass, even if you can directly communicate with the software. Oh well.
 
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
I just watched the episode again. Hiro's dad stated that he'd been "waiting a long time for another Nakamura" to manifest. Highlander-esque stunt double power aside, I've got a sneaky suspicion about Hiro's dad. Perhaps he IS the kensei dragonslayer hero that his son idolizes!

The other interesting thing I liked in this episode is the continuing coolness that are our heroes' weaknesses. Here, we clearly establish that Jessica's weakness is money, and that Lindeman has been using that weakness to manipulate her from the start.

Mark
 
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
Anyone else think Ted's death was totally abrupt and dramaless? Just wham crash open kill...
 
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
yah, a bit. and Sylar's painting never really happened either. At least, not with the detail that other paintings have. In the painting, he was clearly standing around the corner from Ted with iceman hands while Ted's hands glowed. Didn't really happen like that.
 
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
Yeah, I would've thought the second Ted's forehead started to part he'd have vented some radioactive frustration at Sylar. All in all Petey should have MUCH more ability than Sylar. He obviously started absorbing Ted's ability while Ted was not manifesting it. SO:

Peter Petrelli:
Sylar:
Plus, wasn't Future Sylar (in Nathan guise using Candice's power) in the proximity of the Haitian without having his power nullified?
 
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
I was wondering about that. Also, Parkman seemed to be able to still read minds with the Haitian around. Perhaps the Haitian's powers are selective?
 
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Or the Haitian can't block other telepaths.
I suppose Candice counts as a teep.
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel Butler:
Anyone else think Ted's death was totally abrupt and dramaless? Just wham crash open kill...
Yeah I felt bad for his death. All he wanted was to find why he had this power and next thing you know he's killed by the Human Can Opener.
 
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
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Yeah, I would've thought the second Ted's forehead started to part he'd have vented some radioactive frustration at Sylar. All in all Petey should have MUCH more ability than Sylar. He obviously started absorbing Ted's ability while Ted was not manifesting it. SO:
Well we know Ted needs to focus and use his hands to control and direct his power. When Sylar soup-canned him he was in chains and injured. Still you'd at least expect him to glow or something - but I suppose the result is the same.
 
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
The Haitian's powers are definitely selective. He can block or not block people's abilities at will. He probably emits a general fuzziness zone around himself, especially for other telepaths, which would be why Parkman had trouble reading him at Primatech even though he and Bennett didn't know he was there.
 
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
And yet, he let Nathan fly away once after he'd cornered him and was standing right next to him. However, the Haitian was starting his process of mind-plumbing at the time Nathan took off, so it's probable that he can't do both at once, or that the process of doing one consciously negates his ability to block other peoples' powers.

Mark
 
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
And Nathan flying off caught them both offguard. By the time the Haitian had time to react, Nathan might have been out of range.
 
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
I really want to see Peter using Sylar's original ability. Which, to me, seems totally out of place with everyone else's. The Ability to Understand How Things Work? He's not a Hero, he's a damn savant.

Oh, and I was reading the comics, and for anyone that hasn't read them, Eden discovered her power by telling her stepmom, "I wish you'd just die!" to which her stepmother responded, *dies.* Apparently her heart just stopped. Which has a Matrixlike feel to it - the body cannot live without the mind? Or Eden can convince people to do things on such a primal level that she can actually tell their brainstem, stop making your heart pump?
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
FYI: Hana's had a major role in a lot of the recent GNs, plus the ARG. It makes sense that a character whose power depends on the Internet has a greater presence online than on the show, I guess.
 
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
Another thing about SuperFutureSylar.... when he got the call from Parkman and took off, did I imagine it or did he leave a shock ring indicative of going supersonic? That would mean he was hitting 760 mph (1,220 km/h)
 
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Nathan left a ring like that when he first flew getting away from Bennett and the Haitian. I don't think it's meant to indicate super sonic speed. In both instances it happened just as he changed direction.
 
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by WizArtist II:
Peter Petrelli:
Peter also has Hiro's power. Mustn't forget that.

--Jonah
 
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Wait - CAN he use all the powers that Sylar munched on? When has he?

Mark
 
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
Well, we know he got telekinesis from Sylar as he tosses Sylar around a bit now and then.
 
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
He might only be able to use those powers that Sylar has used while Peter was in his presence.
 
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Not that that's happened with other powers. He flew before he even knew Nathan had a power. And come to think of it, in Landslide he used Sylar's super hearing when he probably doesn't know that Sylar had it.
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel Butler:
I really want to see Peter using Sylar's original ability. Which, to me, seems totally out of place with everyone else's. The Ability to Understand How Things Work? He's not a Hero, he's a damn savant.

Oh, and I was reading the comics, and for anyone that hasn't read them, Eden discovered her power by telling her stepmom, "I wish you'd just die!" to which her stepmother responded, *dies.* Apparently her heart just stopped. Which has a Matrixlike feel to it - the body cannot live without the mind? Or Eden can convince people to do things on such a primal level that she can actually tell their brainstem, stop making your heart pump?
I dunno. Being able to know when something's broken and how to fix it without even looking seems pretty damned power-like to me.

And judging from the narration in that GN, I'm guessing it's the brainstem thing.
 
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
Peter doesn't have to know someone has a power to absorb it and use it. With Nathan being his brother and all he'd be around him plenty to absorb it.
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by WizArtist II:
Yeah, I would've thought the second Ted's forehead started to part he'd have vented some radioactive frustration at Sylar. All in all Petey should have MUCH more ability than Sylar. He obviously started absorbing Ted's ability while Ted was not manifesting it. SO:

Peter Petrelli:

Sylar:

Plus, wasn't Future Sylar (in Nathan guise using Candice's power) in the proximity of the Haitian without having his power nullified?
Wasn't it more the molecular control of anything - I thought that guy who melted things did it to plastics as well?

Also he (Peter) would get the ability to manipulate time from his encounter on the train with Hiro.

Possible other flight skill that Sylar showed when he escaped from FBI Agent Hanson and Matt Parkman.

He would also have the ability to remember heaps of things through Sylar from the girl at the Burnt Toast diner.

He also possibly has his Father's power, his Mother's power (pity he couldn't get Linderman's power) and a possible power from the old man he was looking after... if he has a connection.

One other thing - in the on-line comics it details the history of Linderman and Papa Patrelli in Viet-nam. It never displayed any special ability for Patrelli.

ALSO For those wondering about Wireless - look at the online comics (easiest way is just to search Heroes on Wikipedia) and it gives you indepth stories on her character and how she 'wirelessly' communicates.

Andrew
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Johnny:
Not that that's happened with other powers. He flew before he even knew Nathan had a power. And come to think of it, in Landslide he used Sylar's super hearing when he probably doesn't know that Sylar had it.
I thought he used Parkman's hearing thoughts ability in that instance.

Also - why couldn't Parkman hear Thompson coming up behind him??
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by AndrewR:
quote:
Originally posted by WizArtist II:
Yeah, I would've thought the second Ted's forehead started to part he'd have vented some radioactive frustration at Sylar. All in all Petey should have MUCH more ability than Sylar. He obviously started absorbing Ted's ability while Ted was not manifesting it. SO:

Peter Petrelli:
  • Healing (Claire)
  • Radioactive (Ted)
  • Invisibility (Eccleston's character)
  • Read Minds (Parkman)
  • Foretelling / Painting (Isaak)
  • Flight (Nate "YOU VILLAIN!" Petrelli)
  • Super-hearing (Via Sylar)
  • Telekinesis (Via Sylar)
  • Ice Powers (Via Sylar)
  • The ability to Understand How Things Work (Via Sylar)
  • Molecular Control of Metals (Via Sylar)


Sylar:
  • Super-hearing
  • Foretelling / Painting (Isaak)
  • Telekinesis
  • Ice Powers
  • The ability to Understand How Things Work
  • Molecular Control of Metals


Plus, wasn't Future Sylar (in Nathan guise using Candice's power) in the proximity of the Haitian without having his power nullified?
Wasn't it more the molecular control of anything - I thought that guy who melted things did it to plastics as well?

Also he (Peter) would get the ability to manipulate time from his encounter on the train with Hiro.

Possible other flight skill that Sylar showed when he escaped from FBI Agent Hanson and Matt Parkman.

He would also have the ability to remember heaps of things through Sylar from the girl at the Burnt Toast diner.

He also possibly has his Father's power, his Mother's power (pity he couldn't get Linderman's power) and a possible power from the old man he was looking after... if he has a connection.

One other thing - in the on-line comics it details the history of Linderman and Papa Patrelli in Viet-nam. It never displayed any special ability for Patrelli.

ALSO For those wondering about Wireless - look at the online comics (easiest way is just to search Heroes on Wikipedia) and it gives you indepth stories on her character and how she 'wirelessly' communicates.

Andrew
I saw Landslide again yesterday, and Peter was worried that he couldn't defeat Sylar. I don't Peter is fully aware of all the powers he has. Also I don't think Papa Petrelli had any superpowers, but maybe he had political power which is what Linderman needed in order to make he scheme work. Perhaps Papa Petrelli killed himself because he felt guilty over what was going to happen.
 
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by AndrewR:
quote:
Originally posted by Johnny:
Not that that's happened with other powers. He flew before he even knew Nathan had a power. And come to think of it, in Landslide he used Sylar's super hearing when he probably doesn't know that Sylar had it.
I thought he used Parkman's hearing thoughts ability in that instance.

Also - why couldn't Parkman hear Thompson coming up behind him??
You're right, it was the telepathy he used.. My excuse; I've had a very busy week with no sleep. [Big Grin]

As for Matt not hearing Thompson, I suppose Thompson's already had a lot of experience with Heroes, a few seconds earlier he missed out on a perfect shot at Bennett, so he made his mind go blank.
 


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