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Although that doesn't explain why the centurions didn't identify him on Caprica...

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Why is Roslyn on Galactica instead of Colonial One? Did she move her quarters?

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I think it's obvious: the Cylons recognized Anders after he became aware of his nature. They didn't know what he was because he didn't know.

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Alternatively, was that Lawless I saw in the preview? Maybe her model being eliminated wasn't quite as successful as the others had thought and she's had luck in identifying the four (or all five) and passing that information on to the Centurions and Raiders since last season (and after the four were off Caprica and New Caprica).
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
I thought it was Lawless at first, but it's just another Six with different hair. RDM did mention they were introducing a new 'Six' character.

Good episode, no answers and a whole heap more questions. Perhaps there's another Cylon faction out there, probably centred around the final five, that are probably on humanity's side. It would explain why a heavy raider led Kara into the maelstrom (I'm pretty sure it was real as we glimpsed it from Lee's POV.)

Still a mystery why the other Seven models are programmed not to think, or to think that they have been programmed not to think about the Five. Perhaps they were the first and they built the new Centurions, Hybrids and Raiders (hence the recognition) before creating the Seven and taking off, wiping all memory of them from their brothers and sisters...and apparantly themselves.
As for why they seam to be predisposed to side with the humans, perhaps the whole monotheistic, kill all humans trip is something the Seven came up with on their own, after the Five left.

Still can't figure out the whole deal with Kara exactly. On the one hand maybe the Lords of Kobol are still around and up to something, but that doesn't sound like something the writers on this show would do, seams too easy. Same goes for the ship of lights from the old series, it'd be too neat an explanation. It was probably one of the Five that wore Leoban's face in Kara's vision (perhaps even the 5th as yet unknown Cylon) had access to a heavy raider, knew the way to earth, was able to get there and back in few months and either restored or more likely fabricated a new Viper down to the last detail...rogue basestar perhaps?
 

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Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
 
You mean a new Viper.

On the surface I like the parallel with TOS and the Ship of Lights. Starbuck dies and is then resurrected. The Ship of Lights aliens are instrumental in directing Galactica toward Earth...

Not that there are Ship of Light aliens in NuBSG but someone inspired the prophecies, someone placed the probe in the nebula (with the Cylon virus) and someone has directed/led the Galactica toward Earth.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
I said Viper, didn't I?

Anyway, it was the 13th tribe that left the beacon behind and the "cylon virus" was a Lymphocytic Encephalitis, something the colonials have since become immune to. The virus wasn't planted, probably just hitched a ride after someone sneezed on it.

As for the "Ship of Lights" being used in this series, if they are then it's not going to be in quite the same literal manner as the old series.
We may have already seen one or more of them in the form of "Head Six", "Head Baltar" and "Not Leoban" and perhaps they are the very same beings that were once called the Lords of Kobol?
It would tie in to the idea that the Cylon God is a fallen Lord (Hades with a John Milton twist) and account for Head Six's agenda not being the same as the Cylon's. The way she's been grooming Baltar, one wonders if she/it has given up on the Cylons, or maybe it was only ever using them to drive humanity away from the other 11 (10 if Athena is really dead) Lords and straight into his/her/it's hands.
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
I agree with Kris... I think that that Kara's journey is somehow connected to "Not Leoben," who in turn is connected to "Head Six" and "Head Baltar."
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Though it was a good, this episode left me feeling doubtful about humanity's future. We don't know whats the deal with Starbuck, and her behavior in the last moments of the show made it seem as though she was under someone else's control(again perhaps non-Leoban). Furthermore, we now have the little miracle with Baltar and Colonials who follow a monotheistic religion(Judeo-Christian God?).
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
An interesting thought just occurred to me... all this time we've been associating the Cylon god with the Judeo-Christian God. And though it's technically the same origins, what if it's going to take a more Islamic direction? As in, "There is no God but God, and Baltar is his prophet." That would be pretty scary, considering what we've seen Baltar be up to in the past. That would technically make him the "anti-Roslin" in yet another way.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Well the God of Islam is same as the Judeo-Christian God aka the God of Abraham.
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Right, that's why I said "technically the same origins." But mainly because the way most people in the west think, it's a completely foreign, unrelated theology.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Well all the parallels between the Cylon's belief system and Islam technically apply to all three religions, which are in my mind are all technically the same religion, they just disagree what colour the hat's should be at the snack bar in Fiji, though they'd be loathed to admit it...anyway, if you must draw a parallel between Baltar and a terrestrial prophet then Moses (or maybe Akhenaten) would probably be more apt than Mohammed. Mind you, most prophets fit into a familiar pattern, so you could probably find plenty of other similar figures.

What I find interesting is that, if I'm right then they're putting a new twist on the worship of the one god, that rather than being the "one true creator of all things" he's really the first of the fallen, the ambitious little upstart that tried to overthrow the boss back on Kobol and got humanity banished from Paradise. Of course they don't know this, thanks to an aggressive PR campaign on the part of Baltar (aka - Judas Christ, Superstar) and his invisible talking Cylon.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Exactly, I don't think this God is a good guy. If I may quote one starship captain, "What does God need with a sta...er battlestar?"
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Well, good and bad are rather subjective concepts for a God. If you take the Greek myths about the Olympians at face value then they're all a bunch of psychotic murdering bastards who shag anything that isn't nailed down or on fire (and even then...) to say nothing of the dysfunctional family affairs (spot the incest pun.) And people say the Galactica cast are messed up.
I doubt it'll be explored in the little time left, but there's a consistent pattern consisting of groups of twelve that keeps cropping up and I can't help but wonder what the connections are. Twelve Cylons, Twelve Lords, Twelve colonies and by extension the twelve constellations. Then there's little things like the names Leoben and D'Anna, which sounds allot like Diana, the Roman version of Artemis. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but then I look up Cavil and find it basically means "to criticise" and I have to wonder if the writers are being more deliberate with the names than we might think. Or not.

Still, back to the first point, we don't know exactly what the "Lords" were really about and what motivates their actions. The Lords could be every bit as "bad" as the Cylon God. On the other hand, if the hybrid really was the Cylon God (or had the Cylon God speaking through it) then you have to wonder who's really on what side.
 

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
I am wondering if they will introduce the thirteenth of everything. They are chasing after the Thirteenth Tribe after all.

I have to admit that the tapestry of NuBSG is pretty good, and most episodes have been the same, barring this one, that seemed kind of flat.

I didn't see anyone mention Tye's little day dream. Bill would have had to get much better medical treatment than old Doc could provide. Maybe a Res. ship nearby?

In OrBSG were the 'Lords' the leaders of the tribe? Adama and Baltar were both 'Lords'.

I guess I'll have to rewatch the ep later today, just to see what I missed the first round.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Well I thought, "What a great time to die Bill."
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Adama getting shot was a great "WTF?!" moment to start the series with. Very well shot as well, with the speed ramping and the way the camera swung back to show him standing there again.

Also interesting to note that Tigh shot Adama's right eye, which is the same one he has lost. An eye for an eye?
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Well Exodus showed Adama getting all the credit for saving the day while Tigh was ignored. I always felt that must have bothered ol'one eye.
 

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
Is it me or is it that it's Baltar's the religious leader who doesn't make it to safety... or that Dualla's the final model and that the Guardian Hybrid says this cycle repeats because it has happened before and will again like some sick cycle as humanity and Cylon live and die and start off the same way: with 12 colonies.

Don't mind me... I'm half asleep and isn't the Pyxis the same as that Pan Galactic ship but in Orange?
 

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Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
 
I don't think TOS Adama and Baltar were Lords of Kobol. They were both on the ruling Council. I remember the episode (Hand of God) but not the dialog.

If I remember right the Lords of Kobol were like NuBSG - gods.

In TOS Kobol was a legend though. Thought of as a myth. in NuBSG they knew were Kobol was.
 

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
I don't think they knew where Kobol was so much as they stumbled upon it.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
And likewise, it was a myth, just like Earth. Of course I'm sure religious types like Kara believed in it, but that's faith, not knowledge.

As for the cycle of time bit (a common concept in religion and Science fiction if you happen to be the last of the Brunnen-G) teh way I read it is that the 12 lord of Kobol created man and through whatever folly lost control of them and were destroyed. Now we have the 12 tribes creating Cylons and likewise through folly have been destroyed by them.
Here's a thought though, what if the 13th tribe wasn't a tribe of man but a tribe of "Gods"?
What if the Colonials alive today are the descendants of human form robots created on Kobol and it is in fact the Gods who were the original humans? That would suit the cycle concept a little better.
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
I seem to have gotten my wife completely hooked on I Can Has Cheezburger, as evidenced by her comment during the last scene:


 

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As for why they seam to be predisposed to side with the humans, perhaps the whole monotheistic, kill all humans trip is something the Seven came up with on their own, after the Five left.

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And likewise, it was a myth, just like Earth. Of course I'm sure religious types like Kara believed in it, but that's faith, not knowledge.

As for the cycle of time bit (a common concept in religion and Science fiction if you happen to be the last of the Brunnen-G) teh way I read it is that the 12 lord of Kobol created man and through whatever folly lost control of them and were destroyed. Now we have the 12 tribes creating Cylons and likewise through folly have been destroyed by them.
Here's a thought though, what if the 13th tribe wasn't a tribe of man but a tribe of "Gods"?
What if the Colonials alive today are the descendants of human form robots created on Kobol and it is in fact the Gods who were the original humans? That would suit the cycle concept a little better.

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