Okay, so we see the attack on the hub, the aftermath of which is seen the episode prior. And there's some reference to two days ago . . . whatever.
Presi . . . er . . . Laura Roslin (since they installed a new president after she'd been gone to parts unknown for all of 45 minutes) has visions in the midst of FTL jumps, which is really quite interesting.
These have the excellent benefit of improving her relationship with Adama, but also result in what must and can only be the most ridiculous deus ex machina of the entire series.
Baltar confesses his role in the Cylon attack, and Laura Roslin . . . President and Cancerous Badass of the remnants of The Twelve Colonies, Airlock Archer, Personal Loather of Former President Gaius Baltar (Who Incidentally Signed Her Failed Death Sentence), and She Who Once enVisioned That She Saw Baltar With a Six . . .
(breathes)
. . . knowingly and willfully and desperately saves his life, intentionally.
That pretty much ripped me right out of the show. I kept watching because the Threes are back and looking good as always, and so I was won back a little by the aforementioned Adama moment, but damn.
(I don't know if Moore was thinking of some sort of Kira/Dukat dynamic or what, but it didn't work here.)
I leave the rest to others.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I wonder what the nature of those visions was. We know Cylons can 'project' environments while aboard Basestars (or just always? I dont know). Those visions she had could possibly have been generated by the Hybrid herself, and the Hybrid wanted Baltar to survive.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Baltar confesses his role in the Cylon attack, and Laura Roslin . . . President and Cancerous Badass of the remnants of The Twelve Colonies, Airlock Archer, Personal Loather of Former President Gaius Baltar (Who Incidentally Signed Her Failed Death Sentence), and She Who Once enVisioned That She Saw Baltar With a Six . . .
(breathes)
. . . knowingly and willfully and desperately saves his life, intentionally.
You failed the mention that she first tried to make him bleed to death before her attack of conscience.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
And you're also forgetting the major theme of the show... "Is Humanity worth saving?" Letting Baltar die would've been a fairly definitive answer to that question.
I also don't think that Elosha's appearance is necessarily a deus ex machina. Not yet, anyway. It'll depend on if the writers take it anywhere. I figure that Elosha's related to all the other apparitions we've seen—the Six in Baltar's head, the Baltar in Six's head, and that damn music at the nebula that hasn't been explained yet. I fully expect that a lot of these uncertainties will be addressed.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
But if it wasn't for Baltar's actions, we wouldn't need to ask if humanity is worth saving. Although I suppose there are still plenty of ways for him to die later on. I hope for a good old fashion impaling. Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Personally, I loved seeing the rest of the "You don't know you're one of them?" scene! We saw the first part in the preview from last week, but we weren't sure who D'Anna was talking to. I was fully expecting her to be talking to Anders. (BTW, where was he? I don't remember seeing him in the briefing scene.)
Posted by shikaru808 (Member # 2080) on :
I suppose we just have to assume he was there the whole time. I think the writers probably forgot to include him.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
I don't think they forgot exactly. It's interesting to note that none of the final four made an appearance. I actually found the episode a bit dull, perhaps partly because I don't find Roslin very engaging. Next week's looks extremely good, though.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I'm gonna try writing this as I watch the ep.
Something occurs to me - why would the Cylons design their resurrection systems to all coordinate through a central hub? What a massive danger that is. That'd be like humans building a ship which, when destroyed, caused every human in existence to contract a terminal illness. I find the idea of a 'resurrection hub' to be a deus ex machina.
I had to pause the episode for about ten seconds to finish laughing at Baltar - "Sshh...shhh..hey...stop jumping the ship, alright??"
So...is Roslin seeing the future during those jumps? Maybe there are relativistic effects after all.... On a more serious note, her hair changed during her visions or whatever she's having - is she wearing a wig in 'real time' and not during the visions?
That 'shakycam' effect seemed a lot more pronounced during this episode, especially the scene with Whatever-8-that-was and Helo.
So why are all the rooms in the baseships filled with those red ... eye-strip things? Internal sensors? Why do they scan back and forth like that? Seems a very odd mode of operation. If they were sensors though, they'd know everything that Roslin and Helo were talking about in private. I'd consider it was some kind of Cylon internal decoration but we know they don't need decoration what with their Projection.
The battle scene was incredible, and I hope they put the music they used on the Season 4 soundtrack. (Incidentally, "Dei Kobol" from the Season 2 soundtrack is a really wonderful song.)
That's a nasty wound Baltar has. You know they didn't used to be able to show gore like that on network TV here. Also, I think I heard a hiss as Roslin injected the morpha - some kind of hypo instead of a syringe? Makes sense, really.
There's something Calvinist about Baltar's speech, especially the line about "I blamed myself, but God made the man who made that choice." Damn - I *still* can't figure out if he's evil, good, or just crazy - and similarly I can't decide about Roslin these days. She's gotten darker and darker.
"Now there's no difference - we can all start trusting each other." Bit naïve isn't it? Just because we die too they'll trust us?
I really like Elosha's speech about humanity not being able to survive on a case-by-case basis.
I know this is an odd thing to notice, but I find it weird that Deanna is wearing those little black slippers. We've seen that Cylons are perfectly comfortable barefoot or even naked wandering about the ship. I get the real-world necessity for her to have put on a robe but I don't get the shoes. Maybe Lucy Lawless just has a problem with being seen barefoot, some people do.
LOL...I almost had a *heart attack* just then. "But you don't know that YOU'RE ONE OF THEM??"
Posted by shikaru808 (Member # 2080) on :
The battle scene was the shits. I swear all of last season was just talky-talk and love triangles and then all of a sudden a fricken battlestar is falling from the sky.
I hope we see more stuff like that as the season goes on (or at least one more before the end).
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Actually, as Helo'n'Co were escaping the Hub, I did wonder whether Three was getting her feet cut on debris. So was rather relieved when I saw she was wearing slippers. Perhaps a nicer touch would have been if she was instead seen to be wearing Cavill's outsized (for her) shoes!
I suppose that's the end of Cavill isn't it? And maybe even Original Booomer too.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by B.J.: Personally, I loved seeing the rest of the "You don't know you're one of them?" scene! We saw the first part in the preview from last week, but we weren't sure who D'Anna was talking to. I was fully expecting her to be talking to Anders. (BTW, where was he? I don't remember seeing him in the briefing scene.)
so who was it? (I was really, really zonked Friday night from work...)
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
D'Anna *was* talking to Roslin, and she held that look a couple of seconds before she burst out laughing! She said that's the only bargaining chip she has right now, and did they really think that she'd give it up right now. So basically, she faked us all out!
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: Actually, as Helo'n'Co were escaping the Hub, I did wonder whether Three was getting her feet cut on debris. So was rather relieved when I saw she was wearing slippers. Perhaps a nicer touch would have been if she was instead seen to be wearing Cavill's outsized (for her) shoes!
I suppose that's the end of Cavill isn't it? And maybe even Original Booomer too.
I hope not. I really think Boomer has gotten a very raw deal on the show and deserves a chance for...something. I don't know what exactly, not redemption because she never chose to betray her people (by which I mean the fleet) which is more than you can say for Athena but still I think there's allot of dramatic potential in her character that could do with a little more exploration. I suppose the bottom line is I'd like to see her able to return the the fleet. As for Cavill, all units of that model seam pretty uniform so the "character" isn't gone. I suppose that makes him the Weyoun of the series.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
The whole thing's a love story! The main point of the show isn't to find Earth, or who's a Cylon - it's to get the Chief and Boomer back together!
Well, with Cally spaced, and Cavill goo-wrestled, they're both available. . .
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
As far as Cylon models go, I don't think this is the end of the Ones, Fours, and Fives. It just means that all Cylons are mortals now. Deanna is the only Cylon model of which only one copy exist now that the Hub is kaput. Though it was awesome seeing those Vipers armed with warheads.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I did wonder why the hell they were glowing though. Can you imagine if real-world armies made their nukes glow? Kind of a "LOOK AT ME I'M A NUKE!" type thing...
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Well Cylon nukes always glowed IIRC. They glowed in the Miniseries and in Razor.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I'm pretty sure that the nukes that the Vipers fired must have been supplied by the rebel Cylons. After all, Galactica has a very limited supply of nukes, and I seriously doubt that they would've shipped any of them over to the Cylon ship, truce or no truce. Plus, the Colonial warheads are probably sized for large missile tubes rather than wing-mounted fighter racks.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
And it makes even less sense for the Cylons to make them glow ;P
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Cylons are all about things glowing, though. Scanners on Centurions/Raiders, scanners in rooms, spines, etc.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: Something occurs to me - why would the Cylons design their resurrection systems to all coordinate through a central hub? What a massive danger that is. That'd be like humans building a ship which, when destroyed, caused every human in existence to contract a terminal illness. I find the idea of a 'resurrection hub' to be a deus ex machina.
Or if every Colonial ship connected to some sort of network, which if hacked into (by their evil living machine enemies) would give the enemy the ability to destroy their entire civilisation?
It is too convenient to be believable, but before this there was that virus that could've been used to kill off all the Cylons without firing a shot, so maybe it was bound to be a deus ex machina from the start.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
What virus? I don't remember that...
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
Viral encephalitis iirc. From the beacon that had been taken aboard a Cylon baseship and killed most of the occupants. I seem to remember the Colonials toyed with the idea of spreading the virus through the rest of the Cylons somehow.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
That never made sense either. How can an organic virus be transmitted in a brain/memory type upload?
As for the Colonial network, it wasn't that they hacked a single system to take down the fleet it was that Baltar allowed Six access to the defence mainframe on the sly and with that access she was able to install a back door into the new defence operating system that was then uploaded to all the Basestars, Vipers, orbital and ground bases. If you remember the mini the Raiders had to be there to transmit the backdoor exploit virus, which is how the Vipers were switched off and wiped out while Boomer & Helo escaped because they were never in transmission range.
One thing I did notice was that the Cylons didn't seam to bother trying to cut communications as reports were still getting out even after they started switching ships off (Dee mentioned reports of weird equipment malfunctions) one wonders if they factored in the demoralising effect all the reports would have on the stragglers.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Oh, yeah! I remember now. I blocked it out because it was killing me - I was trying to justify the whole memory upload/organic virus thing so I could suspend disbelief for just one more show without shooting my screen. I almost had an aneurysm and gave up.
The demoralizing effects, maybe, or perhaps they just didn't care if the stragglers could communicate. If they were confident enough of their plan then it might just have not mattered to them. Or, if they intended some small group to survive (which seems more and more likely) they might have left communications intact to facilitate them finding each other and forming the Renegade Fleet.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
So, why can't the Cylons rebuild their resurrection hub?
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
You tube ftw. .... but i'm still utterally confused...
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I'm sure they could but it might take a lot of time and resources, something they don't have with the current situation. Better question is why they don't have more hubs if they're so important.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Given the holes in the Cylons' memory of their own past, it's quite possible that they don't even know how the thing worked.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Where the frack are the Two's? For that matter, have we ever seen more than one Two on the screen at once since the miniseries? I'm starting to wonder if there's not only one of them.
And what's the deal with Athena's memories? I mean, didn't she download to the Cylon base ship on the premise that they couldn't read vital information from her memories? Perhaps there will be some fallout from that. Maybe Athena lied to him to get him to go along with the plan, and maybe that has something to do with why power in the fleet shut down during the nebula battle. Still, Helo seems very disturbed by the fact that potentially every eight out there can effectively be his wife. I'm starting to wonder now, what was the point of having Boomer as a sleeper agent? Why have the personality overlay that thinks its human? Some sort of experiment for the breeding program?
Liked Bill taking his wedding ring off and putting it on Roslin in her vision. Subtle.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I didn't see Adama do anything with his ring...Maybe I'll rewatch the scene later.
I figured the human overlay was to make sure she wasn't discovered. I mean, that's the point of a sleeper, to seem absolutely normal so there's absolutely nothing to give them away as something other than, well, absolutely normal...I mean, sleeper agents have to blend, perfectly. If she didn't even know she was a Cylon there was no chance of her doing anything Cylon-y, especially since it seems that without knowing she was a Cylon, she couldn't use her Super Cylon Strength.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
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On a more serious note, her hair changed during her visions or whatever she's having - is she wearing a wig in 'real time' and not during the visions?