I really, really hate arrogant pricks. In other words: I hope someone shoves Rush in an airlock and bleeds the air out slowly.
People might think this a nitpick, but Chloe shouldn't have been able to grab Scott's hand when he came back through without pain from how cold the exterior of his suit must have been. What'd they say, -47? They didn't specify C or F, but either way, grabbing metal at that temperature even for a moment would at the very least elicit a wince.
Things don't really seem to be picking up. I keep waiting for something to happen, and then the episode is over. It's really too slow paced for my liking.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I thought it was "-40 Celsius", rather than "-47", but I could have misheard.
And the space suit was made millennia ago by the Ancients. It would easily be built out of something that retains heat, or adjusts to its surrounding temperature instantaneously, or something.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Overtechnology!
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Maybe they did say -40C and *I* misheard
So, the happy fun swirly aliens that "saved(?)" Scott by showing him the water turned out to be greedy bastards that wanted to just reproduce, eh? Well, at least they weren't sentient crystals again.
Posted by Josh (Member # 1884) on :
Wasn't that one of the Asguard space suits from Atlantis?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Seeing as the Pegasus Asgard were into stealing Ancient tech in that two-parter - you could argue that they could had originally stolen the space suits or the design for the space-suits from the Ancients in the first place.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I think the suits were at least re-dressed somewhat, although I'm too lazy to go look for screencaps to see.
Posted by Josh (Member # 1884) on :
Yep, looks to be them -
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
The helmet more than anything.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: So, the happy fun swirly aliens that "saved(?)" Scott by showing him the water turned out to be greedy bastards that wanted to just reproduce, eh? Well, at least they weren't sentient crystals again.
I initially thought that the clouds weren't sentient, but then I remembered how they gave Scott water, which they obviously need to survive. To rip off Babylon 5, the capacity of self-sacrifice (giving up something they need to survive, water, to someone else) could be a clear sign of sentience.
Maybe the aliens couldn't help how much water they took; they were just taking what they needed. And if that's true, I wonder what kind of ecological effect they might have on that planet where they were left. After all, we don't know that the locale was so frozen the whole time...
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Or that the aliens themselves are at all inhibited by sub-freezing temperatures. Maybe they can take solid water just as easily as liquid.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Or they could have died within minutes. Given that the show so far tends to leave planets in it's tracks I doubt we'll ever know either way.
Still, for the sake of argument, given the amount they were consuming I wouldn't be surprised if they were the reason that first planet was an arid wasteland. In a few centuries that ice world could be an equally cold, yet H2O free desolate rock.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
No, I don't think so. The Destiny had details that the CaCO3- was available to use to fix the scrubbers. If there was water still in that lake bed... then it wouldn't have been available.
And what's to say the Suits weren't upgraded by the Asgard - based on an original Ancient design. Or indeed still a suit designed by the Ancients, just that the Destiny is way older than Atlantis.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, the base the evil Asgard were using was an Ancient-designed facility. They could've found the suits there. If Janus set up the lab on a frozen wasteland, he probably brought along some protection.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The writers have stated that they have purposefully be re-using the Asgard suits. I'm guessing the same as you guys, they're ancient design.
Yay, our first standalone episode. Notes:
- Riley calls Spencer a "crazy person". He's got a shorter fuse than even Greer, apparently.
- They're down to 40,000 liters of water at the top of the episode, which is about a week after the last one. Everyone's sunburns have healed.
- Eli has set up shop in the Kino control room, which I still think is branched off of a larger away team prep room (owing to the seats in the larger room). He's also found a way to print off pictures from the Kinos, which are pasted on the wall.
- The producers are using the same backlit "puddle" effect they've been using on the other Gate shows. It's a great way to save money for longer shots where the gate is active though not necessarily the point of the shot, but here it looks even dimmer than usual. I think they need to tweak it to look less obviously like a big piece of muslin with a projector behind it, especially in HD. You can even catch the glare of the light that's projecting a puddle "reflection" in front of the gate, and it's clearly coming from a light hanging from the ceiling of the set.
- Lieutenant James was a friend with benefits. Thought so. Well, she takes Lt. Scott's new flame in stride, at least...
- We finally see the Universe wormhole effect. As promised by the promos, it's the same as in Atlantis and later SG-1 episodes but tinged white instead of green or blue. I was hoping for something new, but I'll take this since it's the closest we've seen to the original movie effect.
- Young wants half a ton of ice. How many liters is an imperial ton, anyway? It's certainly not 40,000, which is what they're missing. Whatever they brought back by the end of the episode won't make up for what the dust alien thing took.
- Eli didn't know that the gate can stay open only 38 minutes, which we see here the Destiny's gates stick to as well. Apparently Jackson didn't go over that bit in his YouTube videos.
- Franklin's a funny guy. Funny though he seems not to mention much to the guy who shot him a few days ago, even face to face with him.
- The planetary gate was all CGI, unlike the physical prop we saw on the desert planet.
- Yes, you CAN fire a fun in the absence of oxygen in the atmosphere - the bullets have their own oxidant. I'd only be worried about firing a gun in extreme cold.
- Likewise, firing your gun on the Destiny should be fine, if ther writers don't care much about ricochets. They don't.
- Aha! Pursuant to something I mentioned a couple weeks ago, NOW we see what happens to people randomly wandering the corridors to make them look busy. You get EATEN BY BUGS!
- At the end of the episode, one of the background science nerds mentions he was scheduled to use the swap stones. Makes sense, there would otherwise be a lineup to use them. But who's volunteering to use their bodies on the other side? Is Telford swapping out with everyone to keep an eye on the Destiny team? I figure we'll find out next week.
Mark
Posted by Josh (Member # 1884) on :
I can't imagine Telford would let just anyone Quantum Leap into his body. Sooner or later someone would sleep with his wife.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Makes you wonder if the swapping is gender-matched...
"We're sorry; a connection could not be made. The recipient is a *MALE* while our systems show you to be a *FEMALE*. Please try again later when a *FEMALE* recipient is available."
Also, I don't know what Scott is thinking. Lt James/Willa > Chloe. IMO. Posted by Zipacna (Member # 1881) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fabrux: Makes you wonder if the swapping is gender-matched...
Unless the custom model they're using has an added feature, then probably not. After all, Vala swapped into Daniel's body back at the end of Season 9 of SG-1.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Ooh, a Gateworld "extra" video has Eli wandering around the ship with the Kino, annoying people and in general not doing anything special. However, it does show that Eli HAS taken over the Kino room as his quaretrs, using the bench behind the main console as his bed.
Mark
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I don't think they intended to get enough ice to replace all they had lost, just *some* to help add to the water they had available.
Although, you'd think the Destiny would have a water recycler of some kind, and if it's efficiency was worth a crap 40,000 liters should be plenty for a long while. Especially if it recycled water in the air as well as wastewater.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Yeah, but part of the problem was that the water was disappearing at a ridiculous rate. More than anyone could possibly steal, and more than could be accounted for by a supposedly-sealed system.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I know, I mean, why bother going to get a little bit of ice if the 40,000L they have left would suffice? So Destiny must not have a very efficient recycling system, or maybe they just haven't turned it on yet.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
No, the point was that the ship DOES have an efficient system, but the computer couldn't account for the lost water. They would've been fine if it weren't for the bugs hogging the water.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I guess I'm still confused...if the problem was only that they didn't know where the water was going, why did they stop to get a tiny bit of ice?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Because if they ran out they'd die of thrust?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
No, they die of thrust when the inertial dampeners fail. Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I swear my typos have been getting worse. I blame spell-check!
Posted by Josh (Member # 1884) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: I swear my typos have been getting worse. I blame spell-check!
I always found it strange Daniel Jackson never got confused trying to translate some alien text and couldn't because someone spelled it wrong.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Braa I am not making myself clear again! I mean, I should think 40,000 liters is plenty for them not to die of thirst if Destiny has a recycling system. But it must not because they went out to get a piffling amount of ice (half a ton of ice is about 500L or so). 500L compared to 40,000 is nothing. If 40,000 wouldn't last, what would 500 do? What's the point, unless they have no recycler so they need every drop they can find.
Not die...must not...piffling...ok, I think I got all my thoughts in order there. *adds italics for rant emphasis*
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
You've been making yourself abundantly clear, but I don't know if you have been understanding what others are saying. Yes, they had 40 000L of water. The fact that it was decreasing at such an alarming rate is why they went to get the ice just so they'd have something to drink, anything at all. If they hadn't discovered the bugs the water would all disappear and they'd have nothing. Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
They mention the recycling system in the second scene of the show. The recycling system is working fine, according to the computer, with no leaks. But they were losing water anyway. The entire point was to obtain some water—any water—to add to their reserves so they don't run out.
And for comparison, they said that they'd started out with twice the reserves when they arrived. Considering that the show takes place about a week after the pilot, that's certainly a pretty large drop. But the fact that they could only bring back about 500L is certainly better than nothing. Especially if they could maintain that water themselves outside the Destiny's systems.
Maybe it would only be another five days' worth of water, but then that's five days for them to last until they reach another Stargate...
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
If 500L is five days, then 40,000 liters is 400 days. I maintain that it's silly to go risk your life for a drop of water when you have a bukkit. Maybe that's why I'm not in command of any secret off-world military installations...
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"If 500L is five days, then 40,000 liters is 400 days."
No, as far as they knew, 40 000 L was about a week, because it was inside the ship's tanks, where the water was vanishing at a rate of about 40 000 L/week.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
But they also didn't know the cause of the disappearing water. So yeah, 40,000L disappeared in about a week. But if they used their own equipment to manage the water they retrieved, there was a logical chance that they could maintain their own supply separate from the Destiny equipment.
It wouldn't have actually worked, of course, seeing how those bugs would've found the water anyway. But what would you suggest they do? Give up?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Exactly. If you're trapped on the 50th floor of a burning building you can either stay put and die then and there or jump out the window and spend the extra 10 - 20 seconds figuring out a solution to the next problem (i.e. the ground that's rushing up to meet you.)
They knew their water was disappearing at an alarming rate so they needed to do something buy themselves time. As for risking lives over it, well that comes the the territory and in utterly pragmatic terms, if someone is killed then that's less water being consumed and more time to solve the problem.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN:
"If 500L is five days, then 40,000 liters is 400 days."
No, as far as they knew, 40 000 L was about a week, because it was inside the ship's tanks, where the water was vanishing at a rate of about 40 000 L/week.
No, no no...I....the BUGS ate 40,000L in a week. The PEOPLE would have survived much longer on that.
Anyway, nevermind. I think I'll just say "I find it silly that they'd bother to risk the lives of their command staff for a chip of ice when they have a swimming pool, even if half the pool mysteriously disappeared, instead of sending some lackeys" and leave it at that.
(And, incidentally and unrelatedly, I'd wait on the 50th floor for rescue instead of jumping - I don't care if you have ten *minutes*, you're not going to figure out how to fly.)
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Yes and another week and they'd drink the other 40,000L which leaves them with zero litres and a few days to live.
A block of ice gets them another few days. Seriously mate, what's not to get?
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Maybe I'm just weird, but I would never risk my life on an alien world in an ancient space suit to buy a few 'nother days. Not unless those few days were actually imminent. Maybe I'm a coward or something, but it seemed reckless to me. And they should have at least sent someone who wasn't the entire top of the military chain of command.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Young's willingness (or eagerness) to risk his life has been mentioned. Aside from that he's one of only a few with EVA experience.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"No, no no...I....the BUGS ate 40,000L in a week."
But, they didn't know that, yet. All they knew was that the water was vanishing. If they couldn't figure out how to make it stop, they would run out in a week. So, they grabbed some ice, giving them a few extra days in which they might be able to, say, find a planet with much easier access to water.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
And to further TSN's argument, they didn't know when the ship would get to the next planet that had water.
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Funny though he seems not to mention much to the guy who shot him a few days ago, even face to face with him.