Hey it's that chick from the bad Underworld movie.
I actually giggled when they used their nuBSG-style-zoomy-shaky-cam on the tel'tak travelling through hyperspace.
So I guess they're implying that if you die in someone else's body you're both dead? Otherwise why would Rush care that "this WILL eventually kill you"? I can't remember if that's the way the stones worked in SG-1 or not, but I feel like not - I thought if you die in someone else's body, you snap back to yours and they're dead.
I guess the blue aliens weren't interesting enough so they went back to good old fashioned people-in-leather-outfits. This show is having a lot more to do with Earth than I thought it was supposed to. (Still, not sorry to see Daniel again, in Manly Man In-Charge Mode, short though his appearance was.)
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Did any one else recognize Kiva's lieutenant? Its Odai Ventrell...
I guess we now know what the finale is all about...
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:So I guess they're implying that if you die in someone else's body you're both dead? Otherwise why would Rush care that "this WILL eventually kill you"? I can't remember if that's the way the stones worked in SG-1 or not, but I feel like not - I thought if you die in someone else's body, you snap back to yours and they're dead.
As far as I can recall, they've never tested what happens if someone in a link dies. Having said that, there was when Vala got burned to death while in someone's body the Ori galaxy and I vaguely remember her body in the Milky-way flatlineing. Still, even since then characters have still generally expressed an uncertainty as to what would happen.
quote:Originally posted by Fabrux: Did any one else recognize Kiva's lieutenant? Its Odai Ventrell...
I guess we now know what the finale is all about...
He did seem familiar, but when I looked him up it was his appearance on Atlantis as that other runner that I remembered. I saw that ep just a few weeks ago on the telly so it was still fresh.
I have to say I like how the show is finding it's legs and has the confidence to make a stronger connection with the wider Stargate continuity. Nice touch having Sam and Daniel be the ones tailing Rush. I mean, who else would O'Neill trust to that degree? (I'm assuming Teal'c wasn't on Earth at the time.)
One wonders how long before McKay makes a guest appearance. I bet he and Rush get on exactly like a house on fire.
It was actually quite fun and oddly nostalgic seeing some of the old SG1 elements like the cargo ship, a pyramid and the torture prod thing, with a much more believable effect to boot. It's nice that while SGU has it's own particular style, it's still compatible with the other shows.
The change on the show has been so dramatic in the latter half of the season (without being jarring) that I have to wonder how much of that was pre-planned and how much was after the initial shows had aired.
Oh and my favourite thing about this ep? No little pop song montage. Trying new things is OK, but that is up there with some jaded lover looking out a rain streaked window pane with a hurt puppy dog look in their eyes. I can happily do without that brand of sappy teen angst shite.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
So you had a bad day... Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Here's a question; what do the LA think they'll get from Destiny? I mean if they manage to dial out, board and overpower the crew then they'd be stuck out there too. I don't see the logic. Even if they had a ZPM it wouldn't be enough to get back to the milky-way. Plus even if they could, what's on Destiny that they want so desperately?
I suspect half the point of this storyline will just be a means of getting Telford's meat suit on the ship.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
They probably figure that, as technically advanced alien(human)s that have the benefit of a culture which spent centuries developing and getting used to advanced technology, they have a better chance of fixing Destiny and taking over control functions than do a group of mostly-civilian Earthies (a culture that is still mostly burning dead plants for fuel except for a few thousand who are about 20 years past the "omg wormholes!?" stage), only a spare handful of whom have any idea what they're doing (the rest mostly seeming to grow vegetables and complain), and none of whom want to even be there.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
But most human societies were stuck in the pre-industrial era thanks to the Goa'uld. Remember how amazing the Tollan seemed because they had experience with technology that we didn't? And in the past few years, thanks to the Asgard and Atlantis experiences, the SGC has blown way past that level. (Well, in terms of sheer technology, if not intelligence.)
The humans on Destiny aren't exactly the best the SGC has to offer; they mostly don't know what they're doing. I think the Lucian Alliance has a better chance of fixing things up, because they obviously at least know how to fly and fix their own spaceships, which is way more than 99% of the Destiny crew can say.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
But then what? Turn it around and spend the next 4 million years bring it back? Even if they brought the parts for an Asgard intergalactic hyperdrive and a ZPM you're still probably looking it at a VERY long return trip. The only way I can think of that'd bring them home in any reasonable time would be supergate and I don't think anyone has that capability anymore.
Whatever they want from Destiny, it's either information or some specific piece of tech that they can bring back through the gate, which implies they think they have a way to dial back.
As for the Destiny crew, they may not be the "best of the best" but there are people like that on Earth who are also working the problems, so it's not like they're so dumb they didn't notice the big red button that says "push to go home."
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I think the LA would probably be interested in "The Chair" considering its unique properties. IIRC, Destiny dates from an earlier period of the Ancient's history; aren't there more relatively modern Ancient ships lying about in the Milky Way and Pegasus galaxies?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Sort of my point. The milky-way galaxy is littered with abandoned ancient tech so unless they know something we don't, the Destiny isn't really worth their trouble.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Well, who says its ALL the LA that is involved with this project? It could just be a faction looking to find a place to create their own little Empire. What better way than to hitch a ride to Destiny? Its not like anyone from the ol' hood is going to be able to bother you for a few hundred thousand years or so.
I think the real question is how much intelligence they have actually procured from Telford. Would the LA's techies really be more likely to find something important than Rush and all the SGC Nerds?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well it's pretty much a given as the Alliance has always been shown as rather fractious. Still, I'm convinced they're after something specific that they can take back with them and must at least have in idea as to how to do that.
Why would they want to set up an "Empire" in the middle of nowhere? It's not like the Milky=way or Pegasus where there's hundreds or thousands of ready made primitive civilisations sat right next to the local Stargate, ready to be enslave and/or oppressed. More to the point, unless they have about 100,000 people ready to march through that gate I can't see as how it'd even be possible.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Well, the LA was attacking Icarus in the first ep, so they probably wanted Destiny then, before anyone even knew what was on it. They may just want access to an Ancient database of some kind, since the Repositories kill you and Atlantis is on Earth now.
Incidentally, I wonder how that works with Alpha and Beta Gates? Is SGC beta now? Or is it based on Atlantis? And when is Homeworld Affairs or whatever it's called going to reveal to the world that it has advanced medical and defensive technologies that could save lives if they weren't keeping it secret for plot purposes? Imagine force fields on every humvee in Iraq...Goa'uld healing devices in every medkit...Tok'ra symbiotes for the dying...people are gonna be pih-ihssed.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Maybe the LA were attacking to take over the base, so they could get there first? Or at least to delay the Humans from getting to Destiny before they were ready from their own base?
That still doesn't explain why they want to get on Destiny in the first place.
For that matter, just why did the SGC want to get on Destiny, either?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well, before they arrived the SGC (and presumably the LA) didn't even know about Destiny. The point of Icarus was just a means to unlock the 9th chevron that they found the address for in the Atlantis database. Hence my suspicion the LA actually know something the SGC don't.
They apparantly heard (from Telford?) that the formula had finally been cracked and decided to take Icarus and dial the address themselves. The timing couldn't have been a coincidence.
As for which gate on Earth is dominant; I think it's mentioned in 'Midway' that unless they make some alteration or another, the Pegasus gate will take precedent. So assuming Atlantis hasn't gone back to Pegasus then that should be the "dominant" gate...unless they've done whatever they did to make the Midway Station gates co-operate.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I don't think they modified the midway gates; I think the whole point of the station was that you couldn't connect the two systems with that macro for whatever reason. You actually have to step out of the Pegasus network and enter the Milky Way network, which suggests...something, I'm sure. Maybe the protocols McKay used to negotiate the buffers got updated between gate networks and isn't backwards compatible Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
No, I saw that episode a few weeks ago and McKay defiantly mentioned something to that effect.
Actually, now that I think about it the episode might have been the series finale, not 'Midway' itself. It might have had something to do with the hive ship carrying a Pegasus gate IIRC.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
That's what it was... the Wraith ship in orbit had a stargate, and thus took priority over the Milky Way gate on the surface.
That means that Atlantis probably is serving as the SGC "departure lounge" for the time being.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
But like I said, in that ep McKay mentioned they had to do some workaround for the midway station to stop it from happening, so it could be either way.
Of course if Atlantis has gone back to Pegesus already, it's rather a moot point. Which actually brings up the question; would the IOA want Atlantis to go back now that the chair (and I assume the drones along with it) were destroyed at Area 51?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
McKay didn't say anything in "Midway" about the Pegasus Gates taking priority over the Milky Way. The only technical specs we got in that episode was the excerpt from "The Return" with the added voiceover they thought noone would notice was added about both systems being totally secure and thus not needing an iris or shield.
The only time they mention the two Gate systems working together is in the series finale when the Wraith gate kills the SGC gate.
So part of McKay's macro must have taken the Pegasus gate at the end of the line off the grid and thus allowed the Jumper's DHD to dial the Milky Way gate instead of the Pegasus gate, and allowed the Milky Way gate to work at all. Still doesn't explain how a jumper's Pegasus DHD could dial a Milky Way stargate... but I digress.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Sorry for the confusion, but to clarify what I've said: in the series finale (I forget the title), McKay mentioned they had to do some workaround when they built Midway and it came up because of the Hive ship and it's gate in Earth orbit.
As for the jumper's DHD, I just assumed that since the jumpers were built after the MW gates that it could auto-reconfigure when it detects the other network in a certain proximity. They didn't seem to have a problem using in the 'Mobius' as I recall.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
In "Möbius," I remember that the DHD had Milky Way symbols on it. So Janus adapted the ship after he built it.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Or the DHD's keys change when it reconfigures. Still, you're probably right.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I'm rewatching Atlantis and am almost to the finale ("Enemy at the Gate"). I'll listen for McKay's line.
I don't think we really saw the jumper's DHD when Shepard dialed the MW gate, so it's possible the symnbols changed. And yah, O'Niell's jumper had MW symbols.
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
In watching the episode, I too found myself suddenly very curious what value the Lucian Alliance would see in an incredibly old spaceship millions and billions of lightyears away. I wonder if part of the value of Destiny and her older Ancient technology/databases may be their age. I imagine the inner workings of most ancient technology is vastly beyond the comprehension of even the more advanced species in Stargate. Like giving DaVinci an iPhone. It'd be wonderous to him and he'd surely be able to make it turn on and stuff, but the underlying sciences behind what makes it work and respond to touch don't even exist for him. So if presented the opportunity to explore, like a WWII ballistics computer or telephone exchange, now he's got a much better chance of comprehending what's going on, and that more rudimentary knowledge would likely go a long way towards understanding more advanced artifacts. Just a thought. Anyway, please I did not mean to interrupt discussion of spaceships.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Good point, though. I hadn't thought of it like that.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
A technological rosetta stone? Not a bad theory but I'm still at a loss as to how they think they'll get back. Have to wait and see I suppose.
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