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Posted by The Talented Mr. Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :

Well, the way I see it, you got the obvious candidates, the usual suspects, as it were.
Yoda, we hear Obe Wan and Qui Gonn talking about his high midiclorien count.
Obe Wan, Alec Guinness & Ewan portray different aspects of a shrewd Jedi warrior.
Luke, what can I say, he beats Darth Vader!
Qui-Gonn, looks the part.
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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

Yoda. Hands down.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

I say the young (or old, doesn't matter that much) Obi-Wan.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Jedi Jar Jar

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Well Darth Maul is the best swordsman of'em all, but I'd have to go with Qui-Gon Jinn. He's the most well-balanced Jedi IIO. Yoda is a great master, true, but a little bit too inanimate for me.

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Posted by The Talented Mr. Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :

Anyone know anything about Episode II yet?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

I've heard they are going to have the mandalorian super-commandos, the ones Boba Fett got his battle armor from.

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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

Yoda.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I've heard that there will be the start of the clone wars - and that there will be lots of jedi with all different kinds and colours of light-weapons.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Lightweapons? Hmm...

"Your lightsaber is no match for my lightaxe!"

"Yes, but your lightaxe is no match for my lightM1A1."

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Well either Darth Maul had a double light-saber - or he had a light-quarter staff... looked like a quarter-staff...

hey - how about those ferengi whips!

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Posted by David Sands (Member # 132) on :

The questions requires you to fill in the blanks of what the "best" comprises. For sheer fighting ability, I would say it's too close to call between Darth Maul and Qui-Gon Jinn. Granted, one was beat by the other, but I'm not prepared to say the same would result in best of three matches.

Yoda is certainly the Zen philosopher of the movies. Simplicity and lack of rational-conscious intercourse is his hallmark. I've often wondered if there really are different kinds of Jedi (e.g. Knights, Philospohers, Scientists, Healers, Diplomats/Negotiators, Teachers). Senator/Emperor Palpatine is also quite a master at the philosophy of Dark Side Force dynaimcs (albeit, he is never in control completely of it as seen in the novels and trade-paperbacks after the first triology). Luke later in life also gains a strong degree of knowledge and understanding of both sides of the Force (and seems more proficient than any other Jedi seen in the movies or novels at imparting knowledge to young Jedi).

Obi-Wan Kenobi certainly has it down on the characer development. We see him go from undisciplined youth to an extremely capable philosopher/warrior.

Overall, given the inevitable choice between choosing the "best" in terms of fighting skill and pure-Force dynamics proficiency, Qui-Gon Jinn is the most balanced of those seen so far. However, much remains to be seen. Only time will tell.

One other thing. The light-weapons I have wondered about since I was a young boy. Before the prequels I often imagined that, given the choice, I would choose a weapon very similar to what Darth Maul used (I would have liked to have seen some kind of protection around the hilt that would allow it to block saber strikes). Another weapon I often thought might be effective would be "light-claws" similar to those used by the characer seen in the Batman comics, Azrael.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

...the only drawbacks of the light-staff being that you can't grab it by the ends and that your adversary could hit the tip forcing the rear end into your side or legs. But none of that counts if you are a master of Maul's calibre!

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I really want to do an illustration of Yoda as a young man (or whatever) standing with another Jedi holding his little lightsabre. Wouldn't that be cool? He's just at the start of his career and he has yet to become the wisened philosopher we know.

Now who can I get to pose for Yoda...?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Our Prime Minister - John Howard

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

A photo of John Howard holding Yoda's "little lightsabre"? Your tabloids would have a field-day.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

LOL! I'm sure there's a picture around somewhere

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Posted by The Talented Mr. Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :

Getting back to the best Jedi, I would draw a distinction between the Jedi and the Sith. While in terms of sabre skills and perhaps even force powers, members of either side can be judged in a similar manner, different criteria must be used in the matter of .... craftiness, honour, and other attributes in which the ethical code of each side differs vastly.
For this reason, I would not compare, for example, Darth Maul to Qui- Gonn, or Luke Skywalker to Darth Sidious.
Take for example, when Darth Vader makes Han Solo et al suffer to bring Luke to Cloud City. This is, by Sith criteria, a move of utmost skill, whereas by Jedi criteria, this would be judged to be dishonourable at the very least.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

I still say Maul and Jinn.

Posted by David Sands (Member # 132) on :

Gurgeh's comment made me think again about what this question was about. (I hinted at the complexities in my own post.) The question is who is the coolest Jedi, which leaves the field (too?) wide open for any criteria a poster deems relevant. The distinction of morality and how it would affect any (ultimately arbitrary) ranking is important. Perhaps a way to avoid the problem of ethical positions, I would rephrase the question, "Who was the most consistently pleasing force-user in the movies seen thus far?"

However, to indulge the morality distinction, I would say the most dynamic and successful Jedi seen thus far has been Qui-Gon Jinn for his braod command of Force dynamics that not every Jedi seems comfortable with. The most dynamic and successful Sith would probably be Senator/Emperor Palpatine, an expert at covert accomplishment of his objectives and closest of any Sith user to finding the equilibrium between delegation of freedom and control over subordinates.

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"Warfare is the greatest affair of state, the basis of life and death, the Tao to survivial or extinction. It must be thoroughly pondered and analyzed."

"...attaining one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the pinnacle of excellence. Subjugating the enemy's army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence."

-Sun Tzu, The Art of War, 6th century B.C.E.

Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

I just watched The Phantom Menace again and I have to say that I still like my choice.

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Posted by The Talented Mr. Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :

Point taken about "coolest" being a bit vague.
However, what I was getting at was "Who's the coolest Jedi of the 4 films?" as opposed to Jedi/Sith.
But I'm just being pedantic here.
Has anyone played "Jedi Knight" and "Mysteries of the Sith" on the PC? They might be a bit dated now but if you have any sort of half decent PC I recommend trying these games. They immerse you in the atmosphere of the films completely, and the exhilaration of blasting somone away with Force Destruction or one of many other Force Powers is something every Starwars fan should experience. Not to mention the lightsabre(you can even deflect laser shots). Also, if you finish the game, there's always online gaming. The people I played against on the Internet Gaming Zone knew huge amounts of trivia, and the cooperative games are very interesting.

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Posted by David Sands (Member # 132) on :

It was so long ago I played Jedi Knight, but, yes, it was arguably the best computer game rendition of the Star Wars universe, including the flight simulator games. My main gripe about them is really a gripe about first-person simulators in general.

You can go too detailed and make the person engage in every little activity in daily life to make it as "real" as possible (making the game drawn out and boring to a instant-gratifiaction population of gamers), or you can go with strict combat-simulation (and lose some of the subtlety of how Jedi work).

Ultimately there really is no solution. It is incredibly hard to make a story line that allows for the degree of creativity Jedi must exercise in their line of work (the whole plotline with Anakin's owner is a bit mundane for action games, yet the way it came together is exactly the kind of conflict management Sun Tzu addresses in my signature's second quote) without overprogramming every detail of day-to-day life gamers are trying to escape. Can you imagine trying to program the creativity of Mission: Impossible into a game without programming every object in the real world?

Sadly, I fear we may forever (at least for our forseeable lives) be restricted to battle simulation without the covert manipulation and influence that make Jedi so formidable.

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"Warfare is the greatest affair of state, the basis of life and death, the Tao to survivial or extinction. It must be thoroughly pondered and analyzed."

"...attaining one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the pinnacle of excellence. Subjugating the enemy's army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence."

-Sun Tzu, The Art of War, 6th century B.C.E.