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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

OMG! I went to a SW Tech site that was mentioned in another thread here. I visited the bit on light sabres... OMG - don't fear people Trek nerds are NO WHERE near as ANAL about Tech than SW Tech-heads! OMG! Its scary. They blame the idea that there is more than 3 colours of sabres on trek!!

I for one have ALWAYS loved the idea that there are a multitude of colours for sabres.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Well, blue, green and red sabres would've made it easier. As I understand it, real laser light have limited spectrums, I've only heard of blue and red lasers in optical communication devices.

How does it involve Trek?? I wanna hear!

And if you're gonna blasphemize, at least do it properly.

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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

Cause Trek is the evil bastard?

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

Nimrod, lightsabres are not optical phenomena -- that is, they are not lasers nor laser-based.

Technogeek in residence...
--Jonah

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Yes, I know that (I had a feeling someone would bite on that). Observe that I said REAL laser light.

But since there are only theories as to how the fields and emitters are actually constructed, people often associate light sabres to the other energy weapons of SW (blasters, ion cannons, ship lasers) since they present just those three colours.
Red rebel lasers, green TIE lasers and blue ion cannon discharges.

But if a purple or yellow sabre would surface in the next two eps I wouldn't mind, I just don't think it's needed.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

And yes, I know that not even the lasers are lasers, just heated plasma, otherwise they would reach their targets instantly, yaddah-yaddah....

I'm more interested in what AndrewR had to say about the Trek-theories and ditto accusations from those supposed SW-tech heads he encountered.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

OK, basically they blamed the whole idea of different colours and the crystal emitters that produce these colours because of some "trek-no-babble" explanation...

OK, let me get the real quote - it puts it in perspective...

Maybe they just used the term as a general term - i.e. treknobabbly but here is the quote:

quote:
Persistent apocryphal material insists that sabre blades can be
almost ANY colour (as determined by some stupid, treknobabble mystic JEWEL!)

"stupid treknobabble" - they could have said some stupid rumour or stupid technobabble...

anyway - its interesting here is the site:

well the actual page - this page is pretty 'far in'
http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/ls/sabres2i.htm

Actually they mention there that Sabres were originally supposed to be pearlescent white... While watching the redone ANH the otherday, If you notice Luke's/Annakin's sabre that Kenobi gave to Luke was white... I looked for a tint of blue but there was none. It is only in TESB that we get to see it as a full on Blue colour... I assume that maybe it was originally white - and that luke teaked it to give it the blue colour...

That Jedi master Kai Alli or what ever has a RED sabre - so I guess that it's not the domain of the Sith. I guess, we just haven't seen enough Light Sabres.

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Ki-Adi Mundi's sabre have never been seen, nor have any of the others in the Jedi council. Just in comic books and fabricated pictures of the blades from "Episode I: Illustrated guide" with added blades.

There are rumours of Adi Gallia having a red sabre but it hasn't been proven either. They are just that, rumours.

The "treknobabble" reference was probably not implying Trek, but the idea of two or three crystals focusing the beam that makes the blade is in fact non-canon.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Right. Trekno-babble, I think is just refering to made up technology reasons in general.

There are basically two schools of thought on the lightsaber colors:

A) they are determined by the kind of crystals used to focus the blades.

B) they are determined by the "force status" of the user. red=evil, green=on the fence, blue=good boy.

My vote is for the crystal explanation...

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

C) None of the above.

First off, the use of the word "treknobabble" in that context meant using quasi-magical, poorly-thought-out semi-technichal-sounding explanations for how something works.

Second, Nimrod: I know you were trolling (in the fishing sense - don't hit me) with that lasers comment. I just couldn't resist. And the three predominant colors for real lasers that I know of are red (ruby), blue-green (Helium-Neon), and clear/white/whatever (Carbon Dioxide).

If alla you read to the end of the lightsabre stuff (particularly the "How Does it Work?" section), I favor Model 6.

--Jonah

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Nah, not trolling, I just left it open.
I agree, the model six is the most thorough.

Finally he's started updating! He'll have a field day (month more likely) with Episode II, it's said to have many sabre goodies in store for us.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

Yeah. If I'm feeling generous, I'll post pics or links to pics of the sabres I created for me and my fiancee. Mine has a longer than average pale yellow blade.

She's still undecided about the color of hers, but the haft is sweet...

--Jonah

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

On that page there was mention of the original ideas for Sabre colours as being pearlescent white... has anyone noticed Luke's Sabre that was given to him by his father - through Obi Wan - looks white through most of ANH... its only in TESB that it's clearly blue!?!

My brother told me that in his Playstation?? game JediKnight?? That it has Ki-Adi-Mundi and Kai Allia or what ever their names are and Mace Windu's light sabre colours and that they seem to match what is seen in those comic books and figurines someone SOMEWHERE between these different 'companies' must be telling them what colours to make what light sabre... they seem to be constant amongst different products.

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

I'll give you something to ponder, but I'll make a separate thread for it, since it spans more areas than sabre colour.

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Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :

The thing about he Gem in the saber is in nearly all the books. "I Jedi, They new one about Anakin Skywalker going to save his girlfriend. The son of Han and leia, i get him and young vader mixed up sometimes. in I Jedi, corran Horn put a diamond in his saber to give it a shimmering effect. but it was a fake one so it fried. i also wanna see what those fighters looked like. the "clutch" and don't say anything about "non-canon, CAUSE I DON"T WANNA HEAR IT!!!

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Just to throw this in there...the official site had a picture of Mace Windu from ep 2 on the cover of a magazine holding a lightsaber we've never seen before. The blade is a lovely violet.

[ July 20, 2001: Message edited by: Aban Rune ]