So, why would the clonetroopers change their helmets? They seem to be pretty good in AotC.
The armors are identical, but the main difference is in the helmets. Given that AotC and ANH aren't that far apart, what would cause them to change the helmets?
[ May 18, 2002, 11:24: Message edited by: UM. ]
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
The Mandalorians probably sued Palpatine for copyright.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Maybe Palpatine just doesn't want ANY left-over designs from the Republic ... or he decided he didn't like the helmets. Who knows?
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
Not that the Emperor of the galaxy would sit up late going through armor upgrade proposals, he probably has people to do that for him.
The easiest answer must be "development". The newer helmets had more features and so on.
The clone troopers look a bit like "The Silencer", the super-soldier you play in "Crusader: No Regret". http://mobygames.com/game/covers/gameId,852/ Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
Yes you are talking a lot of years between AOTC and Star Wars, is the US army still wearing the same uniforms they wore during WWII or Korea? Of course things change,this is a republican army whereas during Star Wars it is an empirical amry, you can't wear the same helmets, surely.
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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Of course, it does sort of look like the only thing they CHANGED are the helmets ...
... does anyone else not like the idea of Stormtroopers being clones? I'm sure its not like the Empire has trouble getting recruits ... we're talking tens of thousands of worlds under its rule.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Well, it DOES explain the extremely poor marksmanship of the Stormtroopers in the original trilogy -- you can blame it on bad training during the growth process. Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
According to the books(not canon, mind you) the storm troopers were all regular men. The clones were pretty much outlawed/destroyed.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I think it's been established that cloning was outlawed as a result of the Clone Wars, and that the Imperial military was made up of conscripted troops. (Remember Davin Felth???) Thus, the stormtroopers we know were not clones.
Jeff, there is no canon and non-canon in SW.
-MMoM
[ May 18, 2002, 22:32: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
What'd you do, cut & paste your post from TheTrekBBS?
Look, you canonize what you want. As far as Jeff and I are concered, we'll use what we see on the silver screen. Right?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Didn't cut and paste, but it is the same thing, because that's the truth of the matter. I didn't "canonize" anything, Lucas did. He's the one who set it up so that the EU is considered a part of the canon.
Trying to discount what's not in the movies for SW is the same thing as trying to include novels and such for Trek. Both are acts of disregard for what is the established observance of "canon" in both franchises.
-MMoM Posted by UM. (Member # 239) on :
Well, I asked since the armor is identical, and the only thing changed is the helmet. I thought that those of you with the type of Star Wars knowledge only sore wrists can give you might hold the answer to the thing that prevents me from being fulfilled. Well, that question and that my children will not be Simon's.
[ May 18, 2002, 23:10: Message edited by: UM. ]
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I didn't "canonize" anything, Lucas did. He's the one who set it up so that the EU is considered a part of the canon.
Except, of course, that AotC contradicts established "canon" on how Vader lost his arm...
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Why is that? He could have lost the mechanical arm at other points in time. In fact, that even stands to reason, as he didn't appear to have that same clunky one from AOTC in ANH, etc. So it would have been a mechanical arm that Palpatine took, and another that Luke cut off in Splinter of the Mind's Eye. I see no true contradiction here...
-MMoM Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:So it would have been a mechanical arm that Palpatine took, and another that Luke cut off in Splinter of the Mind's Eye. I see no true contradiction here...
Bzzzzt. Wrong again.
I really don't see how he can lose the same hand three different times. There's a difference between losing your real hand and just lopping off a prosthetic.
And besides, if Vader lost the same hand three times, that'd be even worse than all those Weyoun clones that kept popping up in the DS9 seventh season.
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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Not to mention that we saw a Quarren in the background of the Ginosa Command Center. Aren't those the same guys who live on the Mon Calamari world? You know, the one supposedly not discovered until AFTER the Empire is formed?
Lucas is re-writing EU. He can do that. As far as Star Wars goes, he is God.
UM -- saw the film again today. The armor is very similar to Stormtrooper armor, but there are differences -- the back plating, the stomach, some of the leg details. They're closely related, but far from exact.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
G-E-O-N-O-S-I-S
The inhabitants are G-E-O-N-O-S-I-A-N-S.
Thank you.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Fabrux,
It's not like I mispelled "Tatooine" or "Naboo" or even "Coruscant" ... I mispelled the name of a new world in a new movie. Cut some slack for those who DIDN'T read the book and spoil the movie for themselves.
Now, address my post you.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I didn't read the book, Jeff. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yah, I thought it was Genosis until someone pointed out I was missing an "O" Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I'd also like to mention that the ten-years-dead Jedi who ordered the clones is "Sifo-Dyas", not "Sifa-Dyas" as I was spelling it before. I didn't have the book handy when I needed to write it, but I had the chance to check it last night.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
quote: an empirical army
Led by the tyrannical Darth Locke and his apprentice, Darth Berkeley, no doubt.
Posted by Thoughtchopper (Member # 480) on :
Now that's humor.
BTW: Splinter of the Mind's Eye has Luke actively trying to make time with Leia. Good thing it's part of that funky EU, eh? Because there's just not enough incest in Star Wars as it is.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Of course Luke was trying to make time with Leia! Wouldn't you?
We already knew this in ESB, it's fucking obvious. Besides, it's not like he KNEW she was his sis...
And, as I recall, he never actually DID anything with her anyway. (Apart from the odd kiss... )
-MMoM Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The point is that Foster wrote the book without any notion that the two were related, and thus there's no way for the reader to escape the romantic overtones.
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