So, in the midst of a vast asteroid field, Jango Fett is firing like a mad bastard at Obi-wan, and scores nothing but a few minor paint burns for his efforts. Pissed off that his high dollar blasters aren't working quite as well as advertised, he pulls out his big gun: a seismic charge. He fires it at Obi-wan, and soon after we hear one of the coolest sound effects in movie history: a electric guitar string popping at 120 decibels. Neat.
It thereafter looks like fucking mini-nuke went off, and chaos ensues.
My question is this: If the charge is working upon some kind of devestating sonic frequency undulation (hence the name of the thing being "seismic charge") how does it work in outer space? And why did it produce a brightly lit shock wave?
I can understand the asteroid blowing apart, and debris flying at Obi-wan, but still...
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It worked because whoever came up w/ the idea knows nothing about physics.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Actually, I think you've got it reversed. Jango used the seismic charges when Obi-Wan was pursuing him. He then did a nice loop-de-loop after a tunnel chase through a large 'teroid, came about on Obi-Wan's six and opened fire with the lasers before "finishing him off" with a nice "sidewinder" missile.
It might be that Obi-Wan used the Force to "sense" the lasers and keep a step ahead of them, or to somehow fuck with Jango's targeting sensors (which very well could have had limitations in operating in such a target-rich enviornment).
Posted by thoughtcriminal84 (Member # 480) on :
Shit. I'm going to have to watch it again sometime soon, to see if I got the sequence of events backwards.
That's the only reason.
Anyway...aside from asserting that Obi-wan was using a Force field (yuk fucking yuk) I'm going to have to assume that Jango Fett is the worst shot in the universe. I mean, how in the hell could a Obi's ship--so small it didn't even have its own internal hyperdrive, which I thought was a nice touch, btw--have enough juice in the shield generator to deflect THAT many shots?
Jango Fett didn't strike me as the kind of guy that would crimp out on paying for the heavy artillery, so I'm assuming he wasn't shooting photonic blanks. And there is only so much manuevering you can do to dodge shit, even if you are a jedi.
As for the targeting computers...those are really crappy in the Star Wars universe. Christ, just watch ANH...none of the targeting systems in that movie are worth two shits in a bucket. It's pretty obvious that all the good shots are done pretty much manually through out all the movies.
bah. Jango should have iced him there, and that's all there is to that.
Tangent here: So...since Obi-wan used the same tactic to escape from Jango that Han would later use to escape from the Star Destroyers in ESB...I guess that's how Boba knew where to look for him, eh? That's decent. I liked it.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
^ As I mentioned above, it's possible his targeting systems for his laser weapons couldn't get a lock on Obi-Wan's craft specificly (especially with so many other small objects floating around). Also, its possible Jango was hoping to blow up some small asteroids and damage Obi-Wan's craft with rock projectile.
It's also possible those particular weapons didn't have the ability to target, and were just "melee" of some sort. In which case, he'd be firing so much as to hamper any "Jedi advantage" Obi-Wan might have ... perhaps hoping to keep Obi-Wan dodging the lasers so much he'd fly into a random asteroid ... which would work just as well!
One also wonders why Jango didn't fire that tracking missile earlier. Maybe Obi-Wan's craft needed to be damaged to give off some sort of signature for the missile to home in on?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Obi-Wan is a Jedi with the Force on his side.
It's the same thing as with Luke in ANH: everybody else gets shot and crashes after one hit, but he takes multiple hits and still keeps going. It's just the fact that otherwise there'd be no movie...
-MMoM Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
That's something I could never quite figure out... Alliance fighters are equipped with deflector shields, yet none of 'm seem able to take more than one hit before being atomized.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
It's the same reason why stormtroopers' blaster armour never works well...the Plah D'Viz!
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:it's the same thing as with Luke in ANH:
Don't you mean "with Luke in Star Wars - Episode IV: A New Hope: The Special Edition"? Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Yes Snay, you are most humorous... Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
No he's not. So there.
Posted by Samuikaze (Member # 829) on :
quote:Obi-Wan is a Jedi with the Force on his side.
It's the same thing as with Luke in ANH: everybody else gets shot and crashes after one hit, but he takes multiple hits and still keeps going. It's just the fact that otherwise there'd be no movie...
-MMoM
I've Got to agree with this point completely. You can get dazzled all you want by lasers streaming all around Obi-Wans ship. Point is, if his Jedi sence just kept him a nano sec a head movement wise all those flashing lights mean nothing! Still, Jango "did" manage to score a hit. So good on him there. Vader had a hard time locking Luke in the trench remember. He was also using the Force. So for me Jango was lucky to even score a hit in my eyes.
Only thing that griped me about that part of the film. I kept thinking, " Hell, where�s the consistency here? " The pulse laser Jango was using was trying to "track" Obi-Wans ship.They looked flashy and damned good action wise. But where was that type of Tech in the future in ANH etc? No where! Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
^ Might not have been military issue for a variety of reasons: inaccurate, draws too much power from a fighter's power supply, etc.
Posted by Samuikaze (Member # 829) on :
quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: ^ Might not have been military issue for a variety of reasons: inaccurate, draws too much power from a fighter's power supply, etc.
Yes, true Malnurtured Snay. I see where you are coming from with those points. Still whatever the reason the scene looked damn cool. So I'll live with your ideas there. Posted by WERUreo (Member # 662) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: It's the same thing as with Luke in ANH: everybody else gets shot and crashes after one hit
EVERYONE.... except for Wedge... he took a hit and didn't crash, he just couldn't stay in the trench with Luke and Biggs...
Posted by thoughtychops (Member # 480) on :
But Wedge was from Dune, and Biggs wasn't. Feydakin warriors are harder to kill.
I forget. Was the "Stay On Target" guy killed at the Death Star? Because I believe he was from Dune too. One of the Atreides, possibly even a fatter Duncan Idaho.
Posted by WERUreo (Member # 662) on :
I believe that the "Stay on target" guy was killed... I don't remember if he was killed in the trench or if he made it out first... I think he might have bought it in the trench... He was a Y-Wing pilot, right?
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Well, if you think about, the hero ship will always take a few dozen hits before damage occurs. While the non-hero ships will get detroyed by a fucking BB gun.
Well, Star Wars targeting computers are not worth "two shits in a bucket". My new phrase for the day.
Posted by Jeffy (Member # 411) on :
IIRC, he got out of the trench but Vader pursued and shot him down (even after another wing commander - Luke, maybe, but I don't think so - offered to give him cover).
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
No, Biggs was the one from Sietch Eisley. Wedge was from elsewhere.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
Sietch Eisley?
Posted by Thoughtchopper (Member # 480) on :
It's a mixture of Dune and Star Wars names, padawan. You must be mindful of such if you are to enjoy the cleverness.
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
Sietch Tabr, right?
"But where was that type of Tech in the future in ANH etc?"
The Millennium falcon has excellent tracking, as is shown by the TIE-fighter debris floating around where the first Death Star was, and the second one.
The thing is, Obi-Wan's craft was very small, and you did see its shields lighting up golden due to hits, but he was an excellent flyer, just look at them rock-avoiding maneuvers when the last seismic charge detonates.
I've always thought the ships in Star Wars fly and turn much faster than a human could pilot, like in ROTJ, when the Falcon is flying into the Death Star, we're talking 90� turns at supersonic speeds. Ah well, it IS damn cool anyhow.
About the seismic charges; like a nuclear bomb is fueled by some matter that gets split (plutonium or something) maybe seismic charges have some stuff that emanates through shockwaves and such.
Many sci-fi stories have had seismic charges/missiles for space-bombing, asteroid-crushing and general mining work, I don't think it's far-fetched.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, if you put a seismic charge on an asteroid, that could work for destroying the rock. The problem is that sound waves can't propogate through a space. A sound wave is nothing but molecules (of air, water, rock, whatever) being pushed against each other and vibrating. In space, there are no molecules to push each other, and therefore no place for the wave to go.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
It's like WWII dogfights: you can take dozens of rounds, lose half a wing and most of the tail, but still make it back. But if you take two rounds in the wrong place, you go up like a Roman candle.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
quote:Originally posted by David Templar: It's like WWII dogfights: you can take dozens of rounds, lose half a wing and most of the tail, but still make it back. But if you take two rounds in the wrong place, you go up like a Roman candle.
I have to agree with that very fitting comparison. One lucky shot to a power generator, or sublight engine and "poof". That Y-Wing pilot from ANH got smoked right on the starboard engine. blowing it right off. while he didn't go "poof" right at that instant, it didn't take long for him to blow.
Posted by Intruder1701 (Member # 880) on :
Yeah but look at Vader he had his whole wing taken off by a collision and he just tumbled away while the rest of the pasteboard boxes exploded.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
His wing was still intact. It may have taken damage, but it was clearly still on his fighter as he was spinning away.
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