Watch for Wookies galore, the ships (including the new Jedi Starfighter (looks like a TIE) and what looks to be Palpaltine fighting with a red lightsabre! (I'm actually excited about this one!)
Downside: Yoda looks more like a cartoon than ever.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
They now add the howling TIE-sound to the Starfighter, and it has an octagonal canopy.
I liked the butt of Palpatine's saber, unfortunately that's all we see.
Chewie's friend has shoulderpads! That negates the notion that wookiees can't wear armor.
We have seen nothing of Chrissie Lee or General Grievous, but all that feels like an afterthought now.
I have to start educating a friend of mine who's only seen ANH. I look forward to completing his training.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
We can also see Republic X-wing, with six s-foils, but only two engines...
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Yes, I hoped that would be the Z-95 Headhunter (the canopy and ventral shape really looks like it) which has always been held as the proto-Xwing in PC games like "Tie Fighter" and such, but those minifoils confuse me.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
In comparison, it looks like this new Wing has a hawk-nose, and obviously carries no laser mounts on its wingtips.
I also prefer the Z-95.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Aah, now I see. Like one of those US carrier bombers fighting the japanese in the pacific, with the butt ugly two-man cockpit. Nice wing-lasers, though. I wonder if they track.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Actually, there looks to be a cockpit in front for the pilot and a two-man cockpit on top for the gunners. And that proto-TIE looks yummy.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The Proto-TIE has the same problem the Naboo fighter had: no room for the Droid's body. I think we'll see R2's head/upper guts seperate and get stuck into the fighter as a modular piece.
Seriously.
Something else to look forward to: the larger droid fighters now employ small (launched) droid projectiles that unfold as they aproach a fighter nad manually tear it apart. (how this is better than simply firing explosives is unclear at best but this is the universe with giant metal camels as troop transports so...)
So, rather than an X-wing, this is... what, an asterisk-wing?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
[Snark: How many times are people going to fall for this?]
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Did you even look at the trailer?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
No.
1.) Dial-up makes downloading movie trailers a waste of time.
2.) Star Wars is terrible.
I kid! Well, I don't. But, OK, about this movie I have zero excitement. I have negative excitement. The trailers for the first two looked neat, and the films were awful. So why should I assume the pattern has changed? Grr, curmudgeon! I also have little use for sunny days, and about rainbows I care not at all.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Looks like 3PO and R2 on the corridor of the Tantive-IV. Be interesting if the film ends right before A New Hope begins ...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
There is a Tantive IV in the movie- unfortunately it's supposed to be a "shiney new one".
Uk.
Sol, I agree that the hype for the fist two far outshone the movies themselves...but we can look forwatd to Mace Windu getting killed! Worth the price of entry for that alone!
I fucking hate that character! Shaft of the Jedi is goin down. Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
George Lucas has given me Stockholm Syndrome.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
So, you, um... now want to protect him against angry fans or something? Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
(I don't think the Star Wars prequels have been all that bad. Sure, the Gungan battle in TPM looked reeeeeeally fake, and the "romantic" scenes in AOTC were cringingly-poorly-executed. But overall they were entertaining and enjoyable to me. And surely the single best reason to look forward to ROTS is the big fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan, out of which Vader is born. ON A LAVA PLANET, NO LESS!)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
As far as the previous prequels go, I really think the fight between Qui Gon Jinn, Obi Wan and Darth Maul was the very best duel of all the movies to date. Best musical score in that as well. Episode II had me enthralled with the city chase, amazing fighr between Obi Wan and Jango in the rain and the asteroid chase...really the whole detective story aspect of the movie was really good. ...and then they got to the "Gladiator arena" and the movie goes waaaaay south. Great first half though: just lose Anakin, all the other Jedis (the ones that are sooo tough as to croak at the drop of a hat) and hyper-speed cartoon Yoda.
I'm really hoping for great things in this upcoming movie: desperation of war can make for some great storytelling.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Having seen the trailer in front of The Incredibles this weekend, I'm excited that the movie might in fact be ending with the a scene similar to how I've always thought it should end: Our first look at Vader in his armor.
I wasn't feelin' the excitment for Ep 3 either until I saw this trailer. It definitely has me ready to cut out of work for a long lunch.
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
Come on, how can you hate Ep1? I actually enjoyed it (with the excpetion of little Anakin). Now Ep2, thats some bullshit movie. Literraly every scene is a CGI animation. I feel bad for the actors who come to work to act infront of a green screen. At least Ep1 had good sets you know.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
"Come on, how can you hate Ep1?"
Well, the first step was, I watched it.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I think that the "CGI is suck and rubbish and never as good as models I can spot every single instance of CGI work in any film ever I hate it" brigade are really starting to reach if they think that The Phantom Menace is better than Attack of the Clones because "it had good sets you know".
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
i think those samepeople are more anoyred that even closeups of Clonetroopers are obvious CGI fakery when they could have easily had an actor in a sit to ake the scene look correct. As example, Amidalia being heled up after (somehow surviving unscathed) taking her tumble into the sand by a clonetrooper looks as fake as anything I've seen in a video game.
I for one, love the CGI backgrounds: I just hate the poor interaction betweern some CGI models and the physical actors.
Posted by Utmost Nim (Member # 205) on :
Jason: "As example, Amidalia being heled up"
Now you've lost me. Was Amidala "held up" or "healed up", in your words?
Anyway, I think I see what you mean. That AOTC Diner-scene were Kenobi talks with the turd, he just kept staring unswervingly on some dot on the wall while the turd scooped around, grunting and wheezing in its seat, it all looked so fake.
But I don't mind the CGI in either Ep.I or II, I like it. If any story should be depicted through CGI-vistas, it should be Star Wars. We don't know what it would look like in real life, because it's a long time ago and, you know, really far away. One of the best successes was the pod-race canyons, the new Bespin and the Naboo Capital, in my opinion.
On the other hand, when I see entire CGI-environments in "Daredevil" or "Spiderman", where we know what the environments should look like, that gets my knickers in a twist.
That's why I just love "Underworld" but abhor �Van Helsing�.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Should've read "helped up" but I was in a rush to work and (as you know) rarely proofread my own stuff...(sigh). The Clonetrooper in that scene is really poorly realized when they could have made a nice scene with a costumed actor.
I liked the CGI in Spiderman I but not so much in daredevil.
CGI for space scenes (backgrounds mainly) is a must: the work on Enterprise alone is so far superior to what we'd have seen in motion pictures from just a couple of years ago that it spoils me terribly.
The asteroid chase in EpII is incredible compared to the ESB version.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I watched Ep 2 this weekend on DVD and had my confusion as the to the lack of costumed actors playing the Clone Troopers renewed as well. Surely it would've looked better, and how much more expensive could it have possibly been to get a bunch of extras to put armor on for some of those scenes?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that maybe 95% of the people who watched that film had no idea that the Clonetroopers were pure CGI throughout.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That's a pretty high figure: the girl I was seeing back then noticed the diffrence and she has zero knowledge of CGI/Sci-fi effects.
Then, she also thinks the SW movies are generally silly (her being never having watched them as a child herself).
Posted by Utmost Nim (Member # 205) on :
She's generally silly, open and shut case. I bet her parents were into voodoo.
I'd rather have CGI-Yoda than "protruding eyes and Gremlin Jaw/throat" Yoda of Ep.I.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I remember awhile back someone tried to sell "authentic Clone Trooper armor" on eBay, apparently not realizing (or figuring noone else realized) that no Clone Trooper armor was ever made for the production of the film because it was all CGI.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Actually, she South African. She (somehow) never saw Star Wars untill she was in her 20's. Super sexy accent though.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Mmmm... kinda like the chick in Lethal Weapon 2, huh?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I....really dont know. I recall seeing Letha Weapon 2 at least five times at the dollar theatre but aside from knowing that bullets kill easier than shown in that movie, I cant recall much of it.
When I first met her, I was intrested in her best friend (from New Zeland) and I often got the accents confused.
No luck with the New Zelander though: they're "yachties" so are only in town for a couple of months each year with their crews. Good luck their not seeing someone already during that time.
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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Bloody yachties. First up against the wall, I tell you. . .
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I can understand Americans getting Australian and New Zealand accents mixed up. I can even sort of understand confusion between English and Australian. But New Zealand and South Africa? Crazy.
To be honest, I never noticed. But then, I wasn't looking out for it, and by that time I was thinking "when'sYodafightingwhen'sYodafightingwhen'sYodafighting?"
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
The radio station we listen to on the way to work has a guess the voice competition, with the prize (music vouchers) increasing each day - at thirty NZ dollars a day, it once went up to about $1400 (and who did it turn out to be? The lead singer of Queensryche! I fucking ask you, Queesnryche?! Granted it's a classic rock station, but all the same).
But these Kiwis, they're totally fucking clueless. They can't tell the difference between the various British, American, or even Antipodean accents. For the current competition, you get these morons phoning every day and asking if someone with an obvious English accent is a member of The Band or The Eagles. The aforementioned $1400 accumulated because once a day some twat would ask if it was Robbie Robertson, or Glenn Frey.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
In my defense, I'm from MIAMI and before moving to Fort Lauderdale (when I met these women) had never met anyone from either New Zeland or South Africa. In Miami, there's Cuban, Hatian and for extreme novelty, the occasional Jamacian. But that's it.
Fort Lauderdale is a pretty good mix of cuultures (if you live near the port, like I do, anyway) and I've got a regular united nations of friends to hang out with now....none of which understand the concept of Thanksgiving as a national holiday but like it anyway.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The lady who lives across the street from me has an accent which I'm assuming is Australian. It's actually fairly cool. Sadly, the novelty of it is ruined by the fact that she now lives in Michigan and her entire family is complete trash. They bring my property value down with every lawn ornament they put up.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Behead their Lawn-Gnomes....or at least desecrate their pink plastic flamingos, christmas appriations and the like....I bet you could get adeal on leftover Halloween decorations and replace al their junk while they're away.
Mabye they'll move if they think the neighborhood is into witchcraft.
You'd think such garbage would be prevalant here in fLorida, but not really at all.
Posted by Utmost Nim (Member # 205) on :
That's true, and there's a race in the Star Wars universe that has the speech impediment of referring to everything and everyone in plural. Sadly, the individual who exhibited these symptoms was of the same race as Vice-Admiral Thrawn (who as we all now is very eloquent), which led me to believe that this other guy is just retarded on his own terms. Fortunately, I killed him. I was going down that road anyway, might as well enjoy it.
I still experience slight elation when recalling his last words; "Please, noble Jedis! Not in the faces!" Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: In my defense, I'm from MIAMI and before moving to Fort Lauderdale (when I met these women) had never met anyone from either New Zeland or South Africa.
What? Do you think that people in Britain bump into Aussies on a daily basis when they wander into town to do their Christmas shopping? I don't think I've ever spoken to someone from Australasia or South Africa for more than 5 minutes, and I can tell the difference.
We're not asking you to tell the difference between Glasgow and Edinburough accents.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I shouldn't think an Afrikaans accent would be that hard to distinguish from an Australian one...
Posted by Utmost Nim (Member # 205) on :
Try to distinguish Mandalorian from Twi'Lek for a while, we'll see just how far you last before you cry for mommy.
Kaa cheeko, edaho an Donga!!
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
A friend and I were at a Hard Rock Cafe in Bahrain and we had a white girl waitress with a British sounding accent. We placed a bet to guess where she was from and lost. I was surprised when she said born and raised in South Africa.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I know what a New Zealand accent sounds like. But I don't know for certain whether I've ever even heard a South African accent. Though, there is a family that regularly visits the library where I work, and someone once told me they were from SA. But they just sound English to me.
Now, the New Zealander family that also visit regularly: they definitely sound New Zealand.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The SA accent kinda places a questioning enphasis on some words (in a way it's like the minnisota accent but of course, not annoyong like that).
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Think the baddies in Lethal Weapon 2, the ultimate evil Sood Effrickens, men!
Posted by Utmost Nim (Member # 205) on :
Ok, I give up.
-What the fuck you doin'? I'm a cop! -Nee, yeu weeure e coep! *fioink*
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Didn't I already bring up the Lethal Weapon 2 connection? Why, yes I did.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Then people saying they don't know what a Sudeffricken eccent sounds loike heve awnly thimsilves to blyme, men!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
OOh! Was the second-in-charge-bad-guy-that-Tom-Cruise-buttwhooped from Mission Impossible: 2 supposed to be South African? Cause he sounded exactly like you typed... I always thought he was supposed to be Aussie.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Just listen to Charlize Theron on a talk show.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I think the Richard Roxburgh character in MI:2 was meant to be South African, yes. I've always found it deliciously ironic that that film was meant to be Dougray Scott's big break, but because of it he couldn't be Wolverine in X-Men, which was instead Hugh Jackman's big break. . .
Another one - anyone seen the episodes of The Fast Show which features Arabella Weir as a cosmetics-department shop assistant, who insults all the customers but always says "No offence?" That's a South African accent.
I may have seen Lethal Weapon 2 at some point, but I don't remember it. As for the other examples... well, I know who Charlize Theron is, but I don't think I've seen her outside a movie.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
If you're up for it, might I direct you toward Spitting Image's classic song "I've Never Met a Nice South African," available here (at the bottom of the page)? Written and performed at the height of 80's Apartheid, it is less than complimentary and includes a chorus sung in the accent.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Not the highest quality recording, but I guess I can see where the confusion with New Zealand would come in, if only because the short 'e's sound a bit like short 'i's.
Posted by Utmost Nim (Member # 205) on :
Eh, 's bollocks.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: As far as the previous prequels go, I really think the fight between Qui Gon Jinn, Obi Wan and Darth Maul was the very best duel of all the movies to date. Best musical score in that as well. Episode II had me enthralled with the city chase, amazing fighr between Obi Wan and Jango in the rain and the asteroid chase...really the whole detective story aspect of the movie was really good. ...and then they got to the "Gladiator arena" and the movie goes waaaaay south. Great first half though: just lose Anakin, all the other Jedis (the ones that are sooo tough as to croak at the drop of a hat) and hyper-speed cartoon Yoda.
Jason you echo my thoughts/opinions exactly: The second half of TPM was good the first half of AOTC was good the rest crap. The cringe-worthy line of Dooku's to Yoda in AOTC "Looks like we can't settle this by our knowledege of the force" etc. ugh!
Oh and why shouldn't the Tantive IV look shiny and new in ROTS - it's set at least 18 years before ANH (depending on how old Luke and Leia are in ANH).
Andrew
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: A friend and I were at a Hard Rock Cafe in Bahrain and we had a white girl waitress with a British sounding accent. We placed a bet to guess where she was from and lost. I was surprised when she said born and raised in South Africa.
That's cause your ears were full of seamen... 's voices. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yes, there were a couple of real groaners in AotC. Dooku's line you just mentioned was one of them, as were almost all of Padme's and Anakin's interactions.
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