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I would have thought it would have been around here already, but Fandom has an interview up from Ron Moore about his history at Star Trek and why he left Voyager. He also talks about the difference at working on DS9 and Voyager. You can read them at:
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Yes, I bet he does speak. You know, I fully expected this sooner or later. I'm probably going to get chewed out for this, but I think this is ridiculous. Now don't get me wrong, I like Ron Moore's work. First Contact was excellent, and Survival Instinct and Barge of the Dead were great, as were many of his TNG and DS9 episodes. My comments on him are based on his work, but on Moore himself.
I find it rather interesting that he chose to wait until now to begin revealing all the little dirty details about Voyager.
My honest opinion is that he was asked to move over to Voyager and he thought, "hey, I've got it in with Brannon Braga and I'm gonna be the new top dog over there at Voyager. I've been in Trek for years, I'm co-executive producer at DS9, I'll step in an and become Voyager's savior."
My bet is that things didn't turn out quite as he expected and that he got mad when not everyone suddenly dropped everything they were planning and doing so he could run the show. He got mad, and left the show. Then, when no one from the show came running back to him pleading for him to return, he got even madder. So now he starts bashing it. I honestly believe that if he truely had those feelings, he would have said so seven months ago when he quit the show - not now, seven months later after all the press on him has died down and after Paramount hasn't given him much of a second thought.
Now, I'm sure that most of Moore's comments about VGR are true, at least to some degree. But I doubt VGR's creative staff is like working in hell, which he pretty much makes it out to be. And I bet there are some on VGR that do have big egos, but I bet theirs weren't the only one - and that's part of the problem.
Like I said, I have enjoyed Moore's work and I think he would have greatly helped Voyager. I also believe that at least some of his allegations are true. But I also think that this mudslinging is in bad taste.
*now ducks as Ron Moore fans unleash the Omega molecule on me*
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What a load of garbage. I have to agree, he has just been stewing in his own juices and has finally decided to fling a bunch of crap. Some of it may be true but he is just spouting nonsense.
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Well, it still feels good to have something to quote against VOY in my sig... ;-)
------------------ "Voyager is not true. If it were true, the ship would not look spick-and-span every week, after all these battles it goes through. How many times has the bridge been destroyed? How many shuttlecrafts have vanished, and another one just comes out of the oven? That kind of bullshitting the audience I think takes its toll." -Ronald D. Moore
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He's right that Voyager tends to talk the talk but not walk the walk as far as being "message" TV. That can change, and occasionally you do get some meaty drama out of it. ("Latent Image", "Counterpoint" were memorable)
As for the bridge being always clean and tidy - that's just a sign Janeway's a hygiene freak. Surely it's not too much of a stretch in imagination to have some crewman go round each night cleaning, hoovering and giving the panels a fresh lick of paint?
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Have any of you read parts three and four yet? It gets worse. I think I might be able to respect Moore's comments a little bit more if he was actually saying something.
The problem is, he isn't saying anything that anybody has already said about VGR hundreds of times before. The shuttle and energy problem, the pristine looking ship, the use of the holodecks, Seven of Nine's outfit. I find it interesting that Moore can bitch about Seven's outfit. He seems to have totally forgotten what Deanna Troi was wearing for a majority of TNG. In fact, that was a little bit more farfetched because Troi's outfit showed more skin. And on top of it, she was a Starfleet officer - graduated from the Academy! Seven is basically a civilian - she's on Janeway's staff because of her knowledge of the Borg and her expertise in the Astrometrics Lab.
I think Ron Moore should be careful about what he is saying, because he is coming off as hypocritical in some points.
He is also acting as if his observations on shuttle count, etc., are some enlightening vision that suudenly came to him that he has to share with the rest of the world. I hate to tell you, Ron, but people have long aware of VGR's rough spots a long time before you brought them up - and guess what, people still watch it anyway.
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Forgive me if I speak my opinion of all this, since I barely contribute compared to other contributors. If no one takes my comments seriously, no offense taken.
Looking at his interview and at the comments posted above, my intuition says that both parties here (Ron Moore as the first and the executive producers of VGR as the second) entered into Ron's coming on board with unrealistic expectations. I'm sure Mr. Moore came to VGR believing that he could make a genuine improvement to the show if more creative control over the show's theme and episodes was gradually given to him. The executive producers probably thought that using his writing skills would be a panacea to the show's ailing ratings without using him as so high a level producer. However, Mr. Moore's hypothesized presupposition that so much creative control would be relinquished by the two men who had exercised it from the start was wrong, and neither side got out of the arrangement what they expected at the start.
I hope that for all of them, they have learned from the experiences and one day may look beyond the conflicts that stained their friendships.
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Apparently, there's 7 parts to this interview (or so I've heard). I personally can't find any fault in his logic at all. I think he describes Voyager perfectly.
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I agree with Mr. Moore. My favorite series is the first, TOS, for the characters and the interactions. And the show was believable for me.I no longer watch Voyager. The show doesn't seem believable-the USS Voyager would be like the Millenium Falcon, weathered by galactic storms, battles, and accidents-and the characters would be in the process of having families and relationships. One final point-Mr. Roddenberry felt that elements of the fifth and sixth movies were apocryphal. For me, I take this to mean that the TOS and the first four movies are his vision and are canonical. Anything that comes after the fourth movie is an interpretation of what could occur to the Star Trek universe. Every fan I feel must decide what he or she will accept of the current interpretation (5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 of the movies and TNG, DS9, and VOY). I accept all of the above except VOY-this series is so poor (characters, etc) and unbelievable.
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Actually, Roddenberry was pissed off about Star Treks II and III, also. I say it captured the spirit of Trek and he, well, didn't to say the least. I have a website I can give you that has info on the behind the scenes stuff on the movies.
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Ron Moore, really does address head on, what Voyager's problems are... Its not the actors - its the writers/producers... I could easily see Kate Mulgrew and Tim Russ chomping down into some fantastic meaty scripts but... maybe its not to be.
And Kate you can see is Very passionate about her job - as passionate as Ron Moore has shown to be about Star Trek in its entirety... you see Kate getting out there and really trying to boost her show - but what has she got to back her up. Sad really.
Hey, don't get me wrong - there are some FANTASTIC Voyager episodes... YOH being one of them - and maybe its coincidence, or not - but I feel that a lot of the points that Moore raised about his wishes for Voyager WERE done nicely in this episode, the ship, a sense of danger, of isolation. A Sense of wanting to get home. Year Of Hell, showed great character interactions and stories - nearly all of them - from the Doctor's moral dilemmas, to the beautiful developing relationship between Seven and Tuvok (which sadly has be left by the wayside...) The crew shows a comradery and togetherness held by Janeway in many roles - as Captain, as mentor... as Mother. BUT! To little too late...
Ron hits the mark on lots of points. A lot of them were what us Trekkers have been complaining about for a LONG time.
I hope the actors read Moores comments - I'm sure the artists in ALL of them would whole-heartedly agree.
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