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This is about the mirror universe in general so I put it here instead of the DS9 forum.
The one vital piece of info left out in the DS9 crew's many visits to the mirror universe was the Mirror Gamma Quadrant. In their first visit, Kira mentioned that they didn't know about the wormhole. But after seeing the runabout go through, you'd think they'd have figured it out.
I want to see what the Dominion and the Jem'Hadar are like in the mirror universe. My guess would be that the Founders are like a big group of holy men dedicated to bringing peace to the Galaxy and that the Jem'Hadar are like pointy headed candy stripers. Hmm, maybe this is why we never saw this aspect of the mirror universe.
What do you guys and gals think about the mirror Gamma?
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I forget, did they ever find the wormhole in the "Mirror" universe? For that matter, if it does exist, are the Pah Wraths and Prophets flipped? And what are the Borg like?
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I had always wished that they would have gone into the mirror Gamma Quadrant. Maybe the Dominion is just like the Federation in the normal universe.
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Note that both universes are similar until certain points in the TOS timeline. Also note that the Alpha Quadrant never had contact with those in the Gamma Quadrant.
Alternative Timeline in the Gamma Quadrant? I really doubt it. But one thing's for sure, the Founders would still be in their places in the Gamma Quadrant.
And yes, the Alliance would have discovered the wormhole the moment that runabout dissappeared in it. Whether they actually went through it or not is anyone's guess.
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I'd like to know what the original divergence was. What caused the mirror to be so different?
Didn't someone say that there were no orbs on mirror Bajor? That would imply that either they were never found (hard to believe), or the Prophets have a specific connection to our Bajor, and thus never sent orbs to Mirror. Here's a theory: the Prophets and wormhole only exist in our universe for whatever reason. Kira and Bashier's jaunt into Mirror may have been specifically arranged by the prophets to get the Sisko to visit the other side on a couple of occasions. Maybe meeting Jenny's counterpart and seeing her die was essential to their plans. Convoluted, I know, but it would explain why the Alliance never discovered the wormhole. It's not there in their universe without the Prophets specifically wanting it to be. As far as they saw, the damaged runabout disappeared, and that disappearance was accompanied by a nutreno surge. They may have just assumed that it was destroyed when they couldn't find a wormhole. Or maybe sucked into an unstable wormhole. Imbalances in warp engines can cause those.
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Remember that not everything in the mirror universe is antithetical to its counterpart. This has been the case since "Mirror, Mirror" where the planet the E was at was identical in both universes. There are other examples in the DS9 eps: Klingons are still warriors, Ferengi are still greedy, Garak seemed pretty much himself (albeit slightly more submissive, what w/ that collar and leash Worf had on him)...
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The station may not have seen although it's sensors are more than capable of monitoring the wormhole from Bajoran orbit, but the ships in pursuit of the Runabout surely would have.
Also, the Bajoran wormhole was created by the Prophets. I don't like the explanation that the Prophets engineered the trips to the Mirror. I think the Prophets (the same Prophets) exist there too. They are non linear, after all.
I think the big question is, "where did the divergeance come?" as asked above. If we're talking about an alternate timeline here, then the Gamma Quad would not be effected at all. If it's an alternate universe though, where things really are alternate and there was no point in time where the two shared a common timeline, then there be some differences.
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I think you're taking the concept of 'mirror' too literally. In TOS - and continued in the novel "Dark Mirror" - the mirror universe was a aplace where the very nature of things had been twisted. Picard in the book finds some telling changes to Shakespeare, for instance. But by the time DS9 get to it, it's changed and is just a chance for the actors to do things a little differently. I've never been interested in the DS9 mirror universe tales.
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Saltah'na
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It was the Klingon ship which should have seen the runabout dissappear into the wormhole.
And the other reason why the orbs were never found, three words: No Cardassian Occupation. Because the Cardassians formed an alliance with the Klingons to defeat the Pacifist Federation, the Cardassians had the luxury of plundering other worlds instead of Bajor (which is why in the real universe, they annexed Bajor in the first place).
I believe that it was during the occupation that many Bajorans went to seek out the Prophets for guidance in a time of despair. And in the Mirror universe, it appears that they never needed to.......
One other thing, since the Prophets have no concept of Linear time, do you think they'd be aware of everything that happens in ALL mirror universes?
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The mirror universe is not directly opposite to our universe - as a few of you have mentioned - its not bizzaro world
Things just panned out differently...
I think Bajor is a POWER too, I've never noticed it before but has anyone noticed that the alliance symbol incorporates the Cardassians, the Klingons and sorta the bajoran symbol - i.e. the round part - and the 'wings' of the cardassian part are also a part of the Bajoran symbol!?!
Oh, and the ferengi aren't greedy in the mirror universe - as you can see - Quark was benevolent to Kira and Bashir's cause.
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Remeber Nog's line when he helped the Intendant escape? Something about "If you hadn't killed my father and uncle, I never would have gotten their business", or some such. Apparently they still are greedy.
In the novel Spectre, Spock and the mirror Spock figure out about when the universes diverged, but I don't recall what it was...
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