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For some unfathomable reason, I've been watching the rerun of the execrable "Hide and Q" on TNN this evening.
And Q made a most perplexing comment: "(to Worf) Drink not with thine enemy, Worf? How very Klingon. [...] (to Riker) It's no wonder you conquered them!" Or something to that effect.
Now obviously Q was trying to get some kind of reaction out of our intrepid heroes, but that seems a very weird kind of assertion to make. And in the context of the conversation, Q's usual barbs have a firm basis in fact.
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I always took that comment to be a not-so-gentle ribbing. Q's always insulting Worf one way or another whether it's calling him "microbrains," asking him if he's eaten any good books lately, or making him a Merry Man of Sherwood.
If you really wanted to, I guess you could interpret that to be a reference to some future war in the Federation's timeline.
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Couldn't we just assume the obvious? He's trying to provoke a reaction from Worf...so he portrays the Klingon alliance with the Federation as a form of cultural conquest. *shrug*
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yes, some might make remarks that we 'conquered' Russia at the end of the cold war.. cuz they folded up their communist shop and opened up mcdonald's... it's semantics and terminology, with a strong basis in propaganda.
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...or Worf pissed him off, so he changed history/reality so that the Klingon homeworld was only two day's warp from Earth at warp four and somehow those nearsighted klingins had never stumbled on the Sol system.
Moral to the story: don't piss off Q.
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did they specifically mention Q'OnoS in Broken Bow? Maybe the Klingon homeworld - or Klaang's home was another Planet in the Klingon Empire?
Did Klingons interact with pre-warp civilisations? How ruined would their development be from Klingon occupation? Maybe that the Vulcan's noticed the warp signature first was a blessing in disguise - otherwise the Klingons might have noticed!?! I know there was Errand of Mercy - but the Fed's beamed down too - did they pose as being on the same planet to the Organians? (before they realised they weren't just a simple people).
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I'm afraid they did mention Q'OnoS specifically.
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Pre-warp Earth seems to be Vulcan territory, and the Vulcans are quite powerful, I don't think the Klingons really ever got a chance to get to us.
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And while we're on the subject, let's slag off Insurrection! And them saying "Lithium" in "Mudd's Angels".
I go with Simon here. Perhaps "Conquerered" gets an additional meaning post 2200, to mean "we made friends with them and they are a bit nicer to us now".
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Taking ST VI into account I think that we could figure that some Klingons would consider the alliance to be a less than ideal situation somewhat akin to being dominated by the UFP.
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Sounds like a good way to pick on Worfie...
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I remember way back when, where those three brightest 'stars' on the Federation Flag were supposed to be Earth, Vulcan and The Klingons... It was probably just some fanboy crap, though. Or that is what they thought back in season 1 TNG. Who designed that flag? Was it Mr. Okuda... maybe we could get his view on that statement... or statements... In Early TNG were the Klingons supposed to be part of the Federation etc.?
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When the idea of a "Klingon Marine" was thrown about in the pre-TNG creative process, I think it was indeed assumed the Klingons would be UFP members. Bob Justman was one of the strongest advocates of the concept. But even he probably had to compromise with getting Worf included in the cast. And the controversy would mean that just about everybody involved with TNG would try and insert a comment about Worf.
So the likeliest case is that everybody had wildly differing ideas about Worf and Klingons throughout the first season, and some of that got used, some did not. The character and his background were set by "Sins of the Fathers", but probably not much before, and the unused Worf concepts were then abandoned for good.
"Heart of Glory" was the first to show us non-Worf Klingons, of course, and there the Klingon symbol stood proudly beside the UFP one. Clearly, the Klingons weren't considered a conquered race at that point any more.
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Oh, they were conquered all right.....by the Federation's genetically engineered horseshoe crabs that, once affixed to their foreheads at birth, prevent Klingons from wearing shiny gold vests and leather pants. Cuts down on the sneers and aids in facial hair growth too.
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Yeah, I forgot about that bit from "Heart of Glory" -- and a couple of other episodes -- where the UFP logo was included in the background of a Klingon ship's bridge. Kinda weird, since that ship probably wasn't specifically assigned for diplomatic relations.
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