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Kosa
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I have been getting an odd impression lately as to Enterprise becoming more about eye candy than good viewing. When i say eye candy, i dont mean excellent graphics, i mean more of the sexual kind.
Here is something i picked up from Trektoday which is supposed to be a leaked scene in the pilot. This isnt much of a spoiler but id better still give warning.
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In addition, Tucker and T'Pol get contanimated by a spore on the planet, forcing them to go through a decontamination process. This involves them stripping down to next to nothing and applying a form of phosphorous gel to themselves and each other, doing this in a "professional" manner.

And there is also this from TrekWeb.com.

As for Brannon Braga, he did have one interesting thing to add. When asked about pushing the limits on television, possibly regarding sexuality such as the nude scene between Tucker and T'Pol in the pilot episode, the co-creator said, "This is pretty sexy stuff that's coming up and so far nobody's slapped our hands."

Now i bet some Trek fans are growning right now and some fans are getting excited but this worries me.
If scenes like this are going to happen, it makes me wonder how uninspired future scripts will be if they are required to use these types of scenes to keep people interested. Now that's a worry for the future of trek.

Now i know that some of the stuff above isnt official, and thats why im making no judgement until I actually see Enterprise. Thats the way ive always felt about Enterprise and its not gonna change. Only worried

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Well, if you consider Sexual humour to inherently equal immaturity and sloppy writing then I'm sure PBS will be happy to have another exclusive viewer.

It's all about execution. If, as early script reviews indicate, the scene is more of a humorous way to frame an argument between two characters rather than sheer eye-candy, then not only am I fine with it, I applaud the producers. Being a little more manic and injecting a little fun into the show is exactly what is needed to distance Enterprise from the droning boscoutyness of Voyager which became all the more apparent when it was put onscreen side-by-side with Seven's ridiculous costume. Trek was never meant to be prudish (Roddenberry was a horny old dog if anything). Bringing the show's sexual humour quotient in-line with the majority of hourlong dramas on TV today that have a similar level of seriousness is a perfectly reasonable step and in-keeping with both TOS and the fact that this show is supposed to show more contemporary humans.

That said, if the camera starts madly panning as low as they can legally go and a thumbing Jerry Goldmith porn melody begins to resonate, then reserve my place in the complaint line.

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Why? I thought Enterprise was about doing things differently. And Jerry Goldsmith's porn soundtracks are legendary; haven't you ever heard his score for Debbie Does Duluth? 8)

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Even if they have nudity in the episode, it'll probably just be edited out in the end, like the Stargate pilot.

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quote:
Well, if you consider Sexual humour to inherently equal immaturity and sloppy writing then I'm sure PBS will be happy to have another exclusive viewer.

I didn't know that the scene was to have a humourous edge to it as i dont make a habit of reading spoilers. If it was to be a witty and very funny scene, i would of course have no problem with it.(Thinking back to that cut out scene from Generations with Jordi in a bathtub, to the discust of the Klingon sisters) And if the scene is well written and has a deeper reasoning other than an accuse for some looks at some curves, then there is nothing wrong. And yes i am male, and if they have nudity + excellent episode plots, i would ofcourse have no objections

The reason i was scared is because i remembered to my horror a pathetic excuse for a science fiction show. I cant remember the name(possibly because it was to traumatic)of this british show that was about some people on a futuristic space station and the only way it could make a story worth a dollar was to add a scene of this big breasted woman in the shower or in a love scene.

There where only three episodes and it was aired at 12:00am. (It was the weekend) I then chucked in an episode of TNG to sooth my soul.

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I don't even know where to start. . .

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The scene sounds hilarious to me.
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An uptight Vulcan chick trying to keep her calm as a human male that she's already at odds with has to rub this gel all over her to keep her alive. It doesn't sound like sexual stuff to me. It sounds like comedy. It all has to do IMNSHO with the fact that the woman is a Vulcan. Because, talk about an un-Vulcan situation...

I don't know...that's just my take. And, Lord, I hope there's no porn music...

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The only time I believed such a thing was allowed was during the Crossover Episodes where one saw Kira with nothing but a towel over her butt.

Those eps were basically nothing more than pure insanity, IMHO.

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Don't forget the scene in "Doctor Bashir, I Presume?" where Leeta comes running out of her shower to greet Dr. Zimmerman

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Oh damn, I just saw that episode in last night's DS9 rerun... that was a funny scene. I'm sure that scene in Enterprise would be funny, not like high sexual tension we're used to seeing in shows like Sex And The City.
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TOS had lots of sexual themes in it. Anyone remember Mudds Women, Orion Slave Girls, and every one of Kirks Yomen? Surfice it to say that Kirk had a girl in nearly every episode. I agree that a little bit of sexuality is good as long as the rest of the stories are well written.
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If they want to break new ground (which Kirk was doing by even HAVING sex in the '60s) - have two men rubbing the goo on each other. NOW watch the censors scream, and the hackles of the bible belt rise...

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To jump back to the original post (entering for sure Spoiler territory again)

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There is also supposed to be a serious undertone to that decontamination scene. Apparently, Tucker and T'Pol are going to be discussing/arguing T'Pol position in the chain of command on the ship. So while it will be arousing to see Jolene Blalock in the near-nude and there will be certain comedic elements involved with to adversaries applying goop to each other, this is supposed to have a serious current.

I agree with Tom, it's all in the execution.


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"The reason i was scared is because i remembered to my horror a pathetic excuse for a science fiction show. I cant remember the name(possibly because it was to traumatic)of this british show that was about some people on a futuristic space station and the only way it could make a story worth a dollar was to add a scene of this big breasted woman in the shower or in a love scene."

I've racked my brains over this, and I still have no idea of what TV show you could be referring to.

British sci-fi equals three things:
Blake's 7
Red Dwarf
Dr Who

And that description doesn't fit any of them.

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Damn. The British have all the good shows!
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