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SoundEffect
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I've gotten on a kick recently for recreating LCARS screens and Okudagrams in Adobe Illustrator. Some of you have already seen a couple of Okudagrams I've done and at least one has been posted here before.

The latest I've finished is one that shows the Federation/Romulan Neutral Zone. It's kind of a TNG update to the graphic shown in "Balance of Terror". I believe the graphic comes from the season 1 finale from TNG, but I'm not certain. I had to make up the colors myself for my rendition, until I can see a screen cap that shows the correct colors.

Neutral Zone okudagram

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That link, like all Fortune City ones, doesn't work. Can you upload it to Flare please?

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MinutiaeMan
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Unless I'm mistaken, members must have 250 posts before they're allowed to use Flare Upload.

That Okudagram of the Fortune City logo is pretty sharp, though! [Razz]

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Sol System
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Eh, it works just fine here.
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Ditto.

As far as colours go, how about darkening them up somewhat?

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Works fine and looks good.

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Jason Abbadon
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Works for me, but It seems a bit off....The romulans have waaaay more territory than the Federation?

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It's a map of the neutral zone, not the entire federation.

Good work by the way! Although the colours don't look quite right for an authentic looking LCARS display.

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SoundEffect
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I agree about the color choices to a point. We know that the Federation is often represented with blues, Klingons are identified with reds and Romulans with green.

Does anyone have a screen cap of the original so I can make it the right colors?

If anyone else doesn't see the picture directly, perhaps you can choose it from the list on this page:

Special Pics page

At the rate I'm going, I should be able to do the Flare Upload in a couple of months.

[ January 09, 2003, 20:26: Message edited by: SoundEffect ]

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If we're critiquing the picture itself, there's no neutral zone between the Klingon and Romulan empires.
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Perhaps its presence or absence depends on whom you ask.

The original Earth/Romulus treaty may have specified a nice ovoid NZ all around the Romulan space, before anybody knew where the borders and territorial ambitions of possible third parties lay.

When the Klingons expanded and ran their ugly foreheads against the brick wall of Romulan presence, this naturally took place at the location of the original NZ, where the Romulans had built their fortifications after the war. So de facto, the NZ remained there, even if de jure, both parties in conflict denounced it, and if the Feds no longer had access to or power over that region of space.

Thus, old UFP maps like possibly the above one could retain the Zone there, while modern Klingon or Romulan ones would simply show a line of conflict that coincides with the former Zone. And dialogue in "Redemption" would merely refer to the fact that there was no UFP-controlled Neutral Zone in place, and thus no convenient legal loophole for Picard to act.

Interesting that there seem to be guardian outposts even in the Klingon part of the map, though (but why 42 and 47, apart from the obvious?). Perhaps during TNG S1, cooperation between the Feds and the Klingons was assumed to be greater than later shown?

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I was actually refering to the colour of the bars and text on the top and bottom of the image.
However the map could do with having some of the elements shaded differently as well.
For instance I would have the different colour grids for each power shaded slightly darker than the base markers and text with a little less saturation.
I'd also make all the stars white, with the exception of the Romulus Romii stars, to make them stand out more.
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But the Neutral Zone is obviously just a boundary between the areas claimed by the Federation (or pre-Federation Earth alliance, depending on who exactly fought the war and when and when the treaty was written), not an attempt to isolate the Romulans in some space reservation. Had the Romulans been beaten so severely that they had to accept an interstellar quarantine, I'd have a hard time believing the Federation would ever give them the chance to just continue on as they did before. In other words, it seems to me such a severe restriction that the Federation might as easily have insisted on keeping weapon inspectors on Romulus in perpetuity. Or, heck, an observation post on this mostly unused Remus place.

Now, I'm sure there would be language in such a treaty to provide for future expansion of the Zone as both the Empire and the Federation grew.

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Ah! Much better! [Smile] Thanks SoundEffect! [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Sol System:
Now, I'm sure there would be language in such a treaty to provide for future expansion of the Zone as both the Empire and the Federation grew.

That's basically what I've always figured happened. The original Neutral Zone wouldn't have needed to stretch more than a hundred light-years, two hundred at the most. But by TNG's time with the 8,000-LY Federation, there'd probably need to be more of a long border.

Though I don't have any personal specifics, I've believed that the Tomed Incident (2311) arose from a conflict over the previously not-well-defined regions of the Neutral Zone. And so the Treaty of Algeron was partially an extension of the Neutral Zone.

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