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Okay, so let's pick up the pieces,, up the ante, and set things up for the new year without hitting a reset button. God, I miss these openers on SG-1 - we haven't had something like this for a while, and even though it's not as shiny as it once was, it's still a good hour of TV to take us into the new season.
-If Tomin's outfit is any indication, it looks like the Ori forces are FINALLY getting some sort of uniform. The whole medieval motif has been overdone somewhat of late on both shows, but I've mostly been criticizing the notion that there's been little real organized "look" to the Ori followers.
-I guess I'm finally getting used to the Ori toiletships... They're portraying them principally from angles that make them look and move like zepplins or blimps, which is pretty cool. Still doens't stop them from moving like fighters later on...
-Ah-HAH! It was the Korolev, as everyone knew since February. In addition to Mitchell making it out on a 302 and Daniel ringing off during an abortive attempt to transport a nuke to an Ori ship, there were only six other survivors who were beamed off. No sign of Colonel Chekov, who may have been a survivor, and thus live to lovably annoy the SGC another day.
-The only two workable ships left after the battle were the Odyssey and the Lucian Alliance flagship. Any other ship left can't support any life, and what few survivors are bring ringed to the Odyssey, which can't support that many people despite its size (an issue known from SGA "Inferno" last year).
-No sign or mention of the mis-scaled O'Neill-class Asgard warship! If it was taken out, it demonstrates JUST how advanced the Ori are, as the Asgard generally come next in terms of advanced technology.
-Annoyed with Kvasir's delays in fixing the beaming technology on the Odyssey, Mitchell commandeers the WHOLE SHIP to scoop up Sam, who's been floating outside since the previous episode. Machismo aside, isn't there something he could have done without having to move the whole ship? Isn't there at least one 302 in the fighter bay? Well, at least we get to see some great VFX and a good example of just how big these things are.
-The Lucians have also gotten more uniforms, and even rank insignia on their Alliance symbol. Like the Ori forces, they were mostly portrayed as pretty bedragged until now.
-Ah! I just got it. The Ori are trying to emulate the fusion motif from that Riddick Chronicles movie. I guess it works to an extent...
-The Ori have fighters! We don't get a very good look at them, but they look vaguely like a cross between a toiletship and a Wraith hiveship. As expected, they're uber-effective compared to the defenders on Chulak, clearing a path so the toiletship can land like a really big castle.
-The Ori forces have a zat-like weapon mounted on their armor that will stun. Several shots will kill, also like a zat gun. No disintigrate.
-After another plan to beam explosives onto an Ori ship fails, Bra'tac decides to ram one with his own mothership. How characteristic of Bra'tac is this? He loves dying free, but why take everyone down with him without even speechifying to them about it?
-And when the Odyssey beams everyone with a beacon off in the nick of time, what about the remaining crew? Too bad for them, huh...
-- I highly doubt that Colonel Chekov made it off in time. Daniel and Mitchell had excuses, but Chekov would've been on the bridge, and I doubt an experienced commander in his position would be that eager to escape (at least not in the five seconds (max) it took for the Korolev to vaporize).
-- I saw the new Lucian Alliance uniforms, too. But did anyone notice the very Trek-style pips on the left chest? The head honcho had four pips, while the extra behind him had two.
-- Concerning Mitchell's rescue maneuver, I expect that an F-302 isn't equipped for low-speed maneuvers either; Earth just hasn't had the need (so far) for such high-precision activity. What would a fighter grab on to Carter with, anyway? A grappling arm would probably puncture the space suit and negate the whole purpose of a rescue mission.
-- I really loved the new architecture for the inside of the Ori toiletship (love that name, too, Mark!). Wonderful to see something new to replace the gold Goa'uld insides, and something much more original than the basic medieval settings of the village.
-- I'm quite relieved to see that Vala is keeping her trademark sense of humor and wit, even in the face of extreme angst. I'd been slightly worried that Vala would end up turning sad and angst-y like her last major sci-fi character. ("And there will be no conquering of any more worlds, young lady, or else!" HA!)
-- Any bets that the next time we meet Adria, she's going to have personal forcefields or something?
-- Concerning the Asgard, I'm not surprised they were vaporized too... it seems that the Ori forces are effectively working just on brute force.
-- Also, did you notice just how friggin' BIG those toiletships were? I'd say their width is at least three times that of a Ha'tak. (It was kinda hard to get a sense of scale just from the SuperGate itself...)
-- Concerning the Korolev, how many times is the show going to give the poor Russians the shaft? They were unwitting fodder for Replicators, victims in "Watergate" and that tomb episode, they got their DHD blown up while it was on loan to the SGC, and now that they sold the original Gate back to the USA in exchange for a BC-304, that gets blown up in its very first action! (Personally, I think it would've been more interesting, dramatically over the next season, to have the SGC not have direct access to its own cruiser full-time, but have to cooperate with the Russians for transportation and the like.)
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It would be neat to see the "SG1 alliance" employ some desperate measures against the Ori. Like Replicators with a limited life span or soemthing equally morally ambiguous.
You'd think that some scary combonation of Aincent Drones and Replicators could be achieved.
The toilet ships do seem to move a bit too much like fighters (in orbit no less!)..and the LAND! I;m thinking they're actually just floating at ground level- something that large would just sink into the ground or cause massive damage when setting down methinks...
I get a very Trek-meets-Trade-Federation feel to the toilet ships. Their color and that deflector thingie (beam emitter?) at the front of the ship looks a tad Federation-ish.
Watching SGA, I thought some nifty Wraith vs. Ori battle could have been staged: how yough would a Wraith Queen be if she sucked dry an Ori Fryer?
Would the Wraith know anything about the Ori? Adria almost certainly has something in her databanks about the Wraith that could be of use...
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Something that caught my attention was the interaction between Adria and Daniel... I was expecting just a tad more hostility. Sure, she wanted him dead because he was planning to abduct her and was unwelcome on the ship, but seeing as how he's a (twice) de-ascended Ancient I should think that she would really, really hate him...?
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It's conceivable she just didn't know. She's not omniscient, and the Ancients presumably made him just a regular old guy again when they descended him.
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Holy crap those toiletships can move when they want to! And I'm not suprised that they can land on a planet, seeing as how they were *built* on a planet.
I was a little intrigued at the way they look on the inside. There's not much apparent advanced technology. Looks like 99% of the ship was built using medieval tech, and the priors probabaly provide the remaining 1%.
It was funny to me when they finally decided to scoop Carter up, seeing as how that was what I was yelling at the TV for the last 15 minutes! (So what happens when your TV starts to listen to you?)
And exactly how many times has Daniel either been killed or nearly killed? That guy's got more lives than my cats!
Personally, I hope Chekov made it off the ship, since I really like his character. Of course, SG1 has been making a habit of offing minor characters I like, so maybe I'd better shut up.
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BTW, was the background music a bit loud, or was that just me? I found the dialogue a bit hard to hear sometimes.
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Maybe Daniel & the adult Adria will come together in some big glowy light-merge and create a NEW ascended being that is half Ori, half Ancient ala Decker/Ilia only they will actually DO something.
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Daniel is not, nor has he ever been, an Ancient. He was an ascended human. I mean, Anubis ascended, too. You wouldn't call him an Ancient, would you?
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Give him a break, this whole Ancient thing is getting pretty confusing.
I mean, as far as I understand it. Ancients evolve to a human state before we do on Earth. But then we evolve as the second evolution of their form. Then some of us get transplanted to Pegasus when the Alteran sect of the Ancients build Atlantis and some other Ancients go to some other galaxy. Then the Alterans come back whereupon they ascend and become what we know as Ancients and the other Ancients become Ori. But as the second evolution of their form, we have the ancient gene...as do some people in Pegasus. But not all Ancients ascended, some stayed behind to inspire stuff like Merlin.
...and there's a plague in there too...sigh.
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: The scooping scene was more like Spock's thruster suit mindtrip through V'Ger, IMO.
Or the ridiculous thing that Sheridan did in Thirdspace. Anyone remember that movie? No? GOOD!
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Thirdspace is indeed craptackular, but the exact scene was done in Crusade to save Captain Lockley in her damaged Starfury. It's the same scene but -with zero drama or tension, I should say- SG1's was sooo much better for the acting/directing.
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Hang on - I think the Ori and the Ancients were 'together' BEFORE the Ancients came to the Milky Way Galaxy weren't they?
Or they did indeed leave the Milky Way for the other Galaxy? Are the humans from the other Galaxy indeed HUMAN or like the 'humans' of the Pegasus galaxy descended from the Ancients before they ascended? I assumed the 'humans' in the Ori Galaxy were descended from the Ori before they became ascended Ori!?!
*boggle*
And what is the difference between 'Lanteans' and 'Alterans'?
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