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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
Please continue. . . 8)
 
Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :
 
If Nostradamus couldn't predict the emergence of a world power such as the United States, then why should any of his other prophecies be taken seriously?

Serbia, Croatia, Kossovo (token references to the nominal topic).

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Posted by Coddman (Member # 10) on :
 
Baloo:
He did.
He just didn't care about it that much.

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Posted by Coddman (Member # 10) on :
 
Re:Nostradamus predicting America's emergence
Baloo, and all others, I quote to you from my mom's actual book (not the webpage) on Nostradamus with her permission:
This next quatrain tells of a Scottish luminary who will put the English into confusion when Mercury will be dominating. This occurred as predicted circa 1765.

5-93 Under the land of the round lunar globe
When Mercury will be dominating
The Isle of Scotland will produce a luminary
One who will put the English into confusion

The planet Mercury dominated in the sign of his rulership of Gemini, when Saturn moved into this sign on June 25 1765, and stayed there until August 26 1767. During this time period, England will experience a Scottish luminary who will throw them all into confusion, says Nostradamus. This certainly happened with the rise of the Scottish pirate John Paul Jones, who was the Father of the American Navy.


The following quatrain, although not dated in the body, belongs with the first one, telling of the day when the West would become free of the British Isles. Note that in the numbering of the quatrain, we are also given two digits of the year 1778, around which time these events were occurring in our history.

7-80 The West free of the British Isles
The recognized one will pass low, then high
Discontented sad rebel, Scottish corsairs
Then rebel to much more, and by a warm light


This next quatrain concerns the birth of the USA, on July 4, 1776. She is here referred to as the Elder sister of the Britannic Isle, and she will suceed in the Kingdom of Libra because her promises of equality and liberty to her people turn out to be true. The King maker Saturn moved into the sign of Libra on October 11, 1715, and stayed there until December 7,1776. Her brother, the Republic of France, was born in September of 1791. It was in this year, that the National Assembly presented their constitution to the monarch King Louis XVI, precicely 15 years later, just as the prophet foretold.

4-96 The elder sister of the British Isle
Will be born 15 years before her brother
Because of her promise being verified
She will succeed in the Kingdom of Libra

So there........*L*

First of Two:
BTW You put my mom into a wierd mood with your pointing-out of the "error" on her webpage. She may reply in the forums. *LOL*

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
John Paul Jones? Complete nonsense. Obviously the passage refers to the work of the Scottish philospher David Hume. In the time period you speak of, his work had saturated the minds of the entire world. Clearly he did far more to shake up English empiricism than a mere sailor.

Unless of course this, like the work of every other prophet, can mean whatever the reader wants it to.

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Posted by Coddman (Member # 10) on :
 
First of Two...
Mom: "That is not a factual error; it is a typo. I meant to say 360 degrees"

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Posted by Coddman (Member # 10) on :
 
Sol System...
Mom: "No, he meant John Paul Jones. David Hume was not a pirate."

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
"Under the land of the round lunar globe"

In other words, on Earth, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto.

"When Mercury will be dominating"

Nowhere does it say which astrological sign Mercury will be in. Attributing it to Gemini is sheer speculation.

"The Isle of Scotland will produce a luminary"

This could be Monty. He's a pretty bright fellow. Monty, what's your sign?

"One who will put the English in confusion"

Pirates don't create confusion. The English, and everyone else, had an extremely simple and straightforward way of dealing with them. It makes far more sense if you assign an intellectual meaning to it. Or, again, it could be Monty. I'm sure he's confused our English members more then a few times.

Please explain how your second part can be proven to have any connection to the first one.

Also explain where the logic in claiming the United States to be older than Great Britain comes from.

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Posted by Coddman (Member # 10) on :
 
Sol System...
Mom: "Lunar. Means. MOON. *Walks away, disgusted*"

*LOL*.....

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Posted by Coddman (Member # 10) on :
 
"It's not older than great britain, it's older than france. The republic of france was made into a republic after America" ~Mom

Look, I obviously errored in quoting my mom's book here. It refers to other sections of the book that I did not quote. Please disregard it

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Lunar means moon. Good, I'm glad you were paying attention. There are well over thirty such moons in our solar system. How do you know Nostradamus wasn't refering to a time 300 years from now?

If your quotes are wrong, why should we put any faith into any of these so called prophecies?

And just to clear up a misunderstanding...your reference:

"The elder sister of the British Isle
Will be born 15 years before her brother"

Either this statement is about the U.S. or it isn't. The United States is not older than Britain, no matter who this "brother" is.

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Posted by The Excalibur (Member # 34) on :
 
I don't know why I'm responding to this. I mean, Nostrodumbus, give me a break!!! Astrology doesn't take into account the wobble in the Earths rotation.

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Posted by Coddman (Member # 10) on :
 
OKAY, OKAY! ACK!
I guess I got what I asked for when posting here.
You just can't reason with a skeptic.
I am hereby not posting in this thread anymore.

*hears the childish victory cries from the skeptics* o_O Now kids, let's all be nice......*rolls eyes and PoOoFs*

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
All Sol's questions are valid. If you can't answer them, then maybe it's best you don't attempt to convert people to your rather unique religion.

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Posted by Sunspot (Member # 77) on :
 
Oh.
My.

Some people are willing to believe anything...*ROTFLMAO*

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Posted by Sunspot (Member # 77) on :
 
BUT -- I can see why people would want to believe it.

And that's fine, just as long as you don't become a fanatic.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Skepticism! Skepticism! Rah! Rah! Rah!

A belief system which will not stand against even the most shallow scrutiny (as the above has been), is not worth clinging to.

"you can't reason with a skeptic" -- ????

Quite the contrary, that's the ONLY thing you can do. If you fail, it shows the fault in YOUR reason, not theirs.

And of course, since countries are usually considered as having a female gender, especially France, Nostradamus would have been going rather against form referring to his own country as another's "brother."

Er, and Scotland isnt an Isle, either. (Unless they've finally succeeded in assimilating the English...)


**Nostradamus's LOST QUATRAIN**

9-99
When the forum meets in varied nations,
And the flames shall burn the board,
Netted luminaries shall meet,
And make a mock of the man of Cod.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
GRR. Why hasn't my status line change taken effect? Charles sent me email about having changed it..

I should be "The Nicest of the Damned" by now!

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Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :
 
*mumbles something about forgetting to update threads*

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Posted by Coddman (Member # 10) on :
 
*peeks back in*
There's no such thing as "Really Gone". Heheh.

The First One:
You fail to realize that my mom and me are two different people. She is hard to get info out of!!!!! When people start bringing up STRANGE questions like that, I have to go to my mom. And she's not exactly willing to release info...

First Of Two:
Now how the HELL am I supposed to answer that when I don't have a clue what you're talking about, and my mom's SLEEPING? *ROTFL*

I hope some of you see why I was more willing than usual to merely give up in this argument. And if you don't see why, please, give my above statements a more thorough read.

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Posted by Coddman (Member # 10) on :
 
Basically, I'm just trying to be a messenger here. My mom's got the facts, but she isn't doing a good job of telling the people I care somewhat about. That duty falls on me. If I manage to convince at least a few people I know that they need to seriously think about finding a safe place to be in the upcoming months, I consider my work done. The rest of you - the tired skeptics who've heard one too many doomsday stories - won't think that maybe one of these stories has any truth. And if things go bad, they will die. Oh well I tried. *LOL*

Now please stop asking me strange questions about Saturn and Brothers and 17th century pirates. I have no clue how to answer you. Sometimes, I may be lucky enough to get a quote from my mom, but other than that, all I can do is speculate. If you don't believe me, fine, I don't care - but you don't need to make a mockery of me in the process.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Mocking you or your mother is the last thing I want to do, and if that's how I've come across I apologize. But if you cannot provide any evidence for these prophecies, why should we believe them? And to be honest, resorting to scare tactics doesn't make your position any more defensible.

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Posted by Warped1701 (Member # 40) on :
 
*agrees with Sol*

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :
 
*sighs*

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
All that said, I too have had the feeling that _something_ is going to happen July 14th, for my own reasons, most of which have nothing to do either with logic OR Nostradamus.

There, I said it.
Now, about 50 percent of the time when I feel like something's going to happen, something does, or at least something happens that I become aware of. Like that plane that nose-dived near Pittsburgh.

Is this a valid sample? Course not.
Am I in touch with the universe? I doubt it.
Am I psychic? HA! If so, I'd have won the super 6 PA lottery this weekend, but I didn't.
Still, it's there.

*sigh* this is what comes from having a scientifically inclined frame of mind, and yet believing in "weird shit," as a friend of mine put it. I feel like a living contradiction. What you'd get if Scully and Mulder were merged into one person.

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!

July 14 is a wednesday, incidentally. Hump day. Generally considered the day you want your car to have been made on.

*sigh again* It's probably all just crap, and I'm just being paranoid/schizoid again...

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Posted by The Excalibur (Member # 34) on :
 
If Mulder and Scully had a kid, which one would it believe?

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Posted by Cargile (Member # 45) on :
 
Isn't July 14 the anniversary of the French Independance or Revolution of something?


I'm sort of responcible for the Nostradamus thing. We were goofing around with magic and opened a temporal gate and he was sort of sucked into our living room. Our mistake was a mispronounciation of a certain word, and well, there he was. He was with us for a week and watched a lot of the Histroy Channel. Then the Temporal Corrections Agency showed up at the doorstep. They're from the future you know. They gave us a citation which our descendants have to pay, but we have to put money in the bank now because its a pretty big fine. And they gave us a stern lecture about playing with magic and fourth-dimentional time cubes, confiscated our Ouji Board, which is made by those heathen witches Parker Bros., and left with Mikey.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Since I'm the only one here who watches Lee & Herring, I'm not even going to beoth er mentioning Nostrodamus and his horse David Collins. Except there.

Still, this religion is silly.

So, Catholacism then? There's a cast iron religion if ever you wanted one.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
>"Still, this religion is silly."

Which, at least, makes it no worse than most other religions.

One of the advantages of being a Deist is that you don't really HAVE to believe anything beyond "The Universe has a purpose (maybe)." And that purpose may be as trivial as its Cause's amusement.

Magic, hmm. You wouldn't believe the various things my magically inclined friends (that is, those people I know who are "into" magic) say about me:

Apparently, my aura is the color of blacklight (ultraviolet?).
My hands burn like fire whan I'm angry.
I can heal household pets.
I'm immune to magical attacks and defenses.
I'm being tailed by a goblin.
I'm a "weirdness magnet."
I'm a "power conduit/vacuum."
I have a celestial being* somewhere in my family tree (*Angel or Demon; knowing me, I'd bet on Demon)

At least nobody's trying to worship or recruit me yet.

*sigh* Do I know too many wierd people, or what?

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Posted by Coddman (Member # 10) on :
 
When did I use scare tactics? Will someone please tell me what I said that they interpreted as scare tactics?

Ok. I can't provide evidence. You're right. I've noticed that my mom's work influences some, and doesen't influence others. Some skeptics have raised eyebrows, some have asked for more information, and a few even bought her book. For others, it's just another meaningless prophecy of doom to laugh at.....one too many prophecies of doom. And yes, I invite you - even ask - you to laugh at me if nothing happens in the month of July. *L* It will serve as a lesson to me to not believe my crazy mother anymore. But.....if something does happen in July....I'll be the one laughing. Hehehe. And if something happens on July 14th, Jubilee will be the one laughing.......well not quite. But the skeptics sure won't be. *LOL*

Now I'm sorry I came in here and posted about Nostradamus. It's proven to be a big mistake. I left the War In Kosovo thread alone when I first saw it......nooo, didn't wanna go there.....if only I didn't succumb to the urge to post in here now! Rats! *L*

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
Yeah, but can you heal household pets when you're angry?

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
Nothing is going to happen on July 14th. This is sheer superstition. The only thing that might happen on July 14th will be done by some crazy who things that something SHOULD be done on July 14th!
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
What one must realize is that there are probably at least 364 other people out there somewhere, each of whom believes "something" is going to happen on a different day.

Since "something" happens virtually every day, the chances of "something" falling on a day that someone has picked are quite large. But no greater than their happening on any other given day. A lunatic might set off a Nuke in Tehran tomorrow. An asteroid might hit New Jersey a week from now. Somebody might blow up a Wal-Mart on my birthday. There might be a large earthquake somewhere in mid July.
Something happens every day. The chances of something major happening on July 14 are no better than that of any other day. If I pick October 14th, I'm just as likely to find "something" happening on that day, as well.

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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :
 
I had a lengthy and hugely amusing reply about my boring the english, then going west on my holidays, skipping over turnstiles "passing low and high" at the customs after being "recognised" (ooer!). Rebelling a bit, by finding a state where I'm not old enough to drink, and ordering a stiff whisky. Finally ending up rebellking even more by a warm light. (i.e. Pulling babes on the Beach in Miami in the hot hot sun!)

Alas, over the past two hours my computer has crashed, a guy has turned up to distarct me, the mouse has frozen, the server has collapsed and all three previous attempts were thus deleted before transmission. This is doubtless an omen!

Woe Woe and Thrice Woe!
For on July 14th....Agh! Calamity!
Monty will slip on a banana peel and bash his bum!
or
The forums will crash again!
or
Prince William is found doped up on coke in a lavvy in stringfellows - exclusive pics in the News of the world pages 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11 & 12!
or
Star Wars 1 flops in the UK. We can wish.

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Posted by The Excalibur (Member # 34) on :
 
There are some who say we may have a taste of Y2K here as the fiscal year ends. As screwed up as this place is, I wouldn't be a bit surprised by that.

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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :
 
*curses to himself*
The Y2K bug would scarcely be noticed around my uni, the smegging machine's only logged me in once out of five atempts over the past two days.
Grrr!
*throws computer out of window to teach it some respect for its betters*

*thinks*

*goes and sits at next computer*
Maybe on July 14th I'll release my embryonic computer virus on the world, Bwahahaha!
I call it "Alterego", and it shall LASH OUT across the globe! All data shall be erased and replaced with my demented gibberings.

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