"The World is flat".
Disprove that. I believe it is true, and no amount of science will ever convince me otherwise, because the book of Person X, from Y2K ago says so.
So, go ahead, disprove it.
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"This spontaneous stuff takes a little bit of planning." - John Flansburgh
Look up Isaiah 40:22 sometime. The Hebrew word translated in most versions as "circle" can also be (and is, in others) translated as "orb".
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You are wise, witty, and wonderful, but you spend far too much time reading this sort of trash.
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"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education."
-Mark Twain
Well, my god can beat up your god!
The only thing you can absolutely base any logical deduction on is cogito ergo sum. That's the only thing that you can proove to be true.
And no one say cogito cogito ergo cogito sum.
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You are wise, witty, and wonderful, but you spend far too much time reading this sort of trash.
And besides, we all know that Round objects are inferior to Flat objects, for when the second coming of my God comes, he'll need a surface to stand on, it's not easy to do that on a ball.
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"What did it mean to fly? A tremor in your soul. To resist the dull insistance of gravity."
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Camper Van Beethoven
"Science" consists of a weird, way-out occult concoction of jibberish theory-theology...unrelated to the real world of facts, technology and inventions, tall buildings and fast cars, airplanes and other Real and Good things in life; technology is not in any way related to the web of idiotic scientific theory.
Moreover, we at F.E.L.M. believe that the "myth" of the round Earth has been foisted on an unknowing public by the United States government. While conspiracy is a word that is bandied about quite often, we feel that the failure of the government to inform the people falls nothing short of such. Furthermore, we also feel that this breach of trust is systemic in the government and causes us to call into question other governmental motivations.
As a result, we at F.E.L.M. are quite fearful of giving the government too much power, or rather we are fearful of the government taking it. We feel that the government has already accumulated too much authority over the daily lives of the common citizen, as seen by it's complete failure to inform the people of the truth of the flat Earth and the cover up of that truth. If they can cover up such a clear truth, then think of what the halls of government must hold, kept out of reach of the people!
Therefore, we are preparing to resist, by armed means if necessary, further government intervention in the daily routines of F.E.L.M. and any further arrogation of power on the part of the government. We have begun to stockpile weapons as a result.
We invite you to join us in our cause!
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Fool of a Took, throw yourself in next time!!
Gandalf
Stand not in our path, for the great lord Wibble hath blessed by left shoe only the other week, and now none can stand against my supreme armies.
Come men, to arms. We shall prove by our victories over these plebs our superiority in believing the world is a cylinder, er....tetrahedron...whatever.
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Monty: "With every drink of that pint more of his cognitive functions atrophy!!"
Classmate: "Wha? What does that mean?"
Monty: "Which word?"
Classmate: "Any of 'em!"
And if you go to the edge, you'll flip over to the other side. Like in "Labyrinth"...
Why does no-one see what's the truth except me and Esher...
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A ship appearing over the horizon will appear mast-first, suggesting it is coming up.
The angle of incidence of sunlight at the same time in different locations at the same latitude is different, thus suggesting a curved surface (First proved by Erastothenes, Greek Librarian, some 500 BCE.)
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"Nobody knows this, but I'm scared all the time... of what I might do, if I ever let go." -- Michael Garibaldi
I think the lesson here (if anyone will hear it) is that when someone stubbornly refuses to budge on one single topic, you should move on to a different topic.
"The Earth is flat" is only one tiny aspect of who Daryus is, and to focus on the bit you disagree with is akin to hating a particular restaurant because, although they have a menu of thousands of dishes that might appeal to you, they serve one dish that you don't like. Move on to another subject. It's less important to agree than it is to understand.
--Baloo
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because of the constant rotation, so it's slightly burger-shaped*. I know I can't prove it 'cause I haven't been in orbit carrying a ruler, but this is at least scientifically
accepted.
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-At least I can get it up without biomechanical pumps.
-Try falling into a pit of lava, Moffy. Then see how horny you feel.
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No seriously, how can earth be flat??
In zero-gravity, liquid forms a bubble. Earth was once liquid (or liquid enough), so it is shaped like an orb!
Then rotation sets in, and you get a slightly burgerlike shape.
AHA! BEAT THAT!!
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-- Management slogan, Ridcully-style (Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent, Discworld)
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You may declare jihad now.
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"Nobody knows this, but I'm scared all the time... of what I might do, if I ever let go." -- Michael Garibaldi
Baloo, as usual, strikes me as dead right. If it's not going anywhere, plug the hole with a finger and move on.
And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be bananna-shaped.
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You are wise, witty, and wonderful, but you spend far too much time reading this sort of trash.
quote:
"The World is flat".Disprove that. I believe it is true, and no amount of science will ever convince me otherwise, because the book of Person X, from Y2K ago says so.
So, go ahead, disprove it.
[Emphasis added]
The key here is that he has already stated that he will not listen to any proof that contradicts his belief. Therefore, you can't convince him by presenting proof. The fact that it contradicts his belief system is "proof" to him that the information is false. The deck is stacked, boyos!
It's like asking someone to grab his own ear and lift himself to the top of a skyscraper. It can not be done.
[Let me know when any of this starts sinking in, okay?]
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Daryus, do you believe the earth is flat because "the book of Person X" says so or because "God says so?" Or do you believe Person X and God to be one and the same? Or do you believe God was speaking through Person X, or that Person X was God's messenger? Do you believe the aforementioned book of Person X to be completely without error in matters of fact as well as matters of faith and practice?
You seem to be trying to prove a point about faith. I'm trying to determine what you're placing your faith IN (a God, a person, or a book). But a better question might be, "WHY are you placing your faith in whatever it is?" Was it an arbitrary choice made at random? Are you doing it because your parents did, or because 99% of the people in your nation do, or because someone forced you to, or because it's an ingrained part of your culture to, or because it's fashionable, or because it "feels right in your heart," or because you like the way it looks on a tee-shirt? Or do you have some concrete, logical reason for placing your faith where you've placed it?
In other words, is your faith BLIND faith (which, I would agree, is "the crutch of fools") or is your faith an EDUCATED faith? Or would you refuse to consent the existance of the latter?
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"Mathematicians have long held that a million monkeys banging on a million keyboards would eventually reproduce the collected wisdom of the human race. Now, thanks to the internet, we know this is not true." -- Robert Silensky
Thought for the day: "Some people are so 'open-minded' that their brains have fallen out."
The point: There is an opposite extreme to "closed-mindedness," and it's just as dangerous.
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Dane
"Mathematicians have long held that a million monkeys banging on a million keyboards would eventually reproduce the collected wisdom of the human race. Now, thanks to the internet, we know this is not true." -- Robert Silensky
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Death before Dishonor!
However Dishonor has
quite a disputed defintion.
Math and science are treated differently because mathematics is an abstract concept. We defined the rules, so it has to follow them. Science is the attempt to deduce how a pre-existant system works. It's dependant upon accurate observations and interpretation of those observations.
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You are wise, witty, and wonderful, but you spend far too much time reading this sort of trash.
quote:
Daryus, do you believe the earth is flat because "the book of Person X" says so orbecause "God says so?" Or do you believe Person X and God to be one and the same? Or do you believe God was speaking through Person X, or that Person X was God's messenger? Do you believe the aforementioned book of Person X to be completely without error in matters of fact as well as matters of faith and practice?You seem to be trying to prove a point about faith. I'm trying to determine what you're placing your faith IN (a God, a person, or a book). But a better question might be, "WHY are you placing your faith in whatever it is?" Was it an arbitrary choice made at random? Are you doing it because your parents did, or because 99% of the people in your nation do, or because someone forced you to, or because it's an ingrained part of your culture to, or because it's fashionable, or because it "feels right in your heart," or because you like the way it looks on a tee-shirt? Or do you have some concrete, logical reason for placing your faith where you've placed it?
In other words, is your faith BLIND faith (which, I would agree, is "the crutch of fools") or is your faith an EDUCATED faith? Or would you refuse to consent the
existance of the latter?
Wow. *L* No this isn't an examination of my faith. The point I am making is not the what, where of why of faith. I'm talking about two irreconcilable points of view here. What I'm attempting to demonstrate is the frustration we of the non-religions pursuasion feel when we throw up reams of ideas and hit a brick wall, based on an idea that is instilled in most cases rather than discovered.
I got the idea for this from a teacher I had a couple few yeas back in high school. He was a fundamentalist christian to the core. Anything we'd throw at him he'd have an answer for. Hell he even had a bible reference to explain dinosaurs. Suffice it to say that we who took him on in a debate (and yup, we thought ourselve pretty damn smart) were totally stumped by his unwillingness to move outside his paradgim. In other words his mind was totally lacking in any scientific analysis of the facts we presented him with. Very irritating.Moving along...
The feeling I'm trying to get in people here is frustration. From here on, attempt to challenge the viewpoint I've stated above, with logic, contrary belief etc, I'll refute it all, using MY version of the logic. You'll get the idea.
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Figured that quote would be appropriate from the early discussion.
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"You shot him! You shot him dead!!"
"Well, he was attacking me with a banana!"
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"Blind faith is the crutch of fools"
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"Lassie, her ears pricked up!"
--Atoth the Tamarian [From "Star Trek: Door Repair Guy"]
http://www.geocities.com/cyrano_jones.geo/
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"Lassie, her ears pricked up!"
--Atoth the Tamarian [From "Star Trek: Door Repair Guy"]
http://www.geocities.com/cyrano_jones.geo/
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Let's see... Mesmerists, Dowsers, Luddites, Alienists, Zoroastrians, Alphabetizers... A-ha! Assassins...
~C. Montgomery Burns
And be sure to visit The Field Marshal project http://fieldmarshal.virtualave.net/
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And for those of you who have not realised it yet, this is a bit more than just tongue in cheek.
So anyhoo, who's willing to try and show me that the world is round?
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"If a nail is driven into the wrong place, it would be foolish indeed to become angry with the hammer." - Old Russian Proverb
No, wait. Eventually, you'd be out of the atmosphere.
It's the curvature of space! The earth merely appears curved because it's actually within curved space! Up close it looks exactly the way it should (mostly flat, but a little bumpy) but the further away you get, the more curved it appears, until eventually, it looks like a big blue ball.
Of course, all the other objects in space are flat, as well. It's just that the effect is quite pronounced since we're farther away from them than the earth, so they appear to be round, or in some cases, so tiny as to appear as points of light.
See? I've converted. Logic proves that Person X was right!
[Insert sounds of insane laughter here.]
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"Lassie, her ears pricked up!"
--Atoth the Tamarian [From "Star Trek: Door Repair Guy"]
http://www.geocities.com/cyrano_jones.geo/
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"Blind faith is the crutch of fools"
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Let's see... Mesmerists, Dowsers, Luddites, Alienists, Zoroastrians, Alphabetizers... A-ha! Assassins...
~C. Montgomery Burns
And be sure to visit The Field Marshal project http://fieldmarshal.virtualave.net/
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"Nobody knows this, but I'm scared all the time... of what I might do, if I ever let go." -- Michael Garibaldi
Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand?! Honestly!Girl: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.
Brian: What?! Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!
Followers: He is! He is the Messiah!
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"Lassie, her ears pricked up!"
--Atoth the Tamarian [From "Star Trek: Door Repair Guy"]
http://www.geocities.com/cyrano_jones.geo/
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Man: "How shall we f**k off, Oh Lord?"
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"Goverment exists to serve, not to lead. We do not exist by its volition, it exists by ours. Bear that in mind when you insult your neighbors for refusing to bow before it." J. Richmond, UB Student
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"Lassie, her ears pricked up!"
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[Post-edit commentary: If you decide it's unimportant to go back and check your work, that's the time something will get seriously wrapped around the axles.]
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