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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Well, Florida ...

We've got an abandoned ballot box located in a polling center in Florida ... any ballots in there? No one knows yet, although it is in a Democratic county, so this could be good news for Gore ...

We've also got the whole Buchannan thing ... confusing ballots? Possible. If they are, how do we (we as in the "American People") go about rectifying it? Should it be rectifyed? (Bush supporters: if the position were reversed, and these ballots could swing the votes in Bush's favor, what would you advocate?)

Absentee ballots ... TEN DAYS they've got to arrive! You mean it could be November 17th and we still wouldn't know who won the White House? Yes, the Florida election "whomever" said that absentee ballots rarely tip the scales in one persons favor or another, but this is a very close election ... Bush is only leading by 1700 votes or so as I write this ... (hell, that ballot box -- if it IS full -- could put Gore on top).

Speaking of which, CNN earlier mused about the possibility, that with Gore winning the popular vote, that even if Bush wins all the electorate votes, that those CASTING the electorate votes might not vote for Bush on Dec. 18th, instead siding with the man who won the popular vote ...

That said, I will reserve judgement on who has won the Presidency of the United States of America until December 19th (unless one candidate wins both popular AND electorate...)

Argh. Damn, this is one *hell* on an exciting time, ain't it?!?!?!

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

With communism, no excitement is needed. Just plain, good old socialism.

Damn capitalist pigs.

I mean really.

Yes.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Kudos to Jeb Bush for stepping off the Recount Commission (or whatever its called).

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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

That "ballot box"... it was full of crayons.

You might also want to know that historically, recounts will almost always reenforce the original call. That, combined with the fact that the military will definitely vote Bush, and I have no doubt whatsoever.

UM:

You ARE aware that communism and socialism have alomst nothing in common?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Crayons? Sentient crayons who have a RIGHT to have their vote counted?!?!

Oh well ...

We've seen a lot of "historically" broken this past few hours ... it could go any way ... with both Gore & Bush promising completely different views of the future of the military, it might not go the way its been predicted ... I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Hey, why not just have a republic where both of them would be in charge?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

How about a duel to decide?

Gore gets a lightsaber, Bush can use a rapier! =)

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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Xentrick (Member # 64) on :

"both of them in charge"?

like, a coalition government? Or, as the dictionary defines 'coalition government,' "any form of government that falls apart in less than two years."

Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Like the ad in the paper about the 3 Presidents, a Nixon like guy for dealing with China, one for dealing with the domestic problems, and one as the CINC of the military. They used the Roman Empire as an example, or a Pres. and a couple of ministers with powers almost equal to the Presidents.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Okay, Florida has disqualified 19,200 votes in Florida County (that's where the whole "confusing" ballot was). Residents are filing lawsuits saying the ballot confused them.

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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Now, I'm not to sure how you actually vote in the US, and I don't want to make assumptions about the average Americans intelligence, but isn't it a matter of ticking a couple of boxes? Or have they actually hidden the polling stations, and to get to them and vote you have to follow a series of clues, spaced apart by various physical challenges?

It could make a good game show...

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Florida has used the same ballots for YEARS. the chances that the ballots just NOW became 'confusing' is very small indeed. What you have here is either a bunch of very stupid people, or Gore voter fraud (because the people are saying "but we wanted to vote for Gore!")

The FL Attorney General in charge of the recount is an ardent Gore supporter, so I'd watch out for unfairness that way, too.

I hear some other states are having recounts, as well. Hmm...

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

The ballot takes different forms in different states. In that county of Florida, there are holes you're supposed to punch in the card, next to the name of the cantidate. There're arrows leading from the name to the hole, and the type is quite large. There was no confusion. It can only be a ploy.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Actually, I'm willing to believe that 19 000 people were capable of simple stupidity...

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

After seeing the ballots on TV, I can see how people could be confused. But it doesn't matter. If you don't ask for help at that time, while you are voteing, you are out of luck. No "do overs" in voteing. This may well be the closest election ever, in the USA, but there have been close ones before, and if we survive as a nation, there will be close ones again.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

First,

Really? I smell all the irregularities in Florida, and then I look at Jeb Bush ... brother of George Bush ... hmmmm ... gee, could it be? You don't think ... ?

I agree that if the voters were confused, they should have said so when they were voting. I also agree that its probably not fraud on either side, but honest confusion. I hate to say it, but if Bush wins, Gore should concede and not try and drag this out over this vote (I mean, hey -- no one can accuse Gore of "losing" -- he DID win the popular vote)

What I want to know, is what is it I'm hearing about black voters being turned away? If *that* is true, then that's a different story all together ...

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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Ten to one that it's a another mischaracterization, like the "disenfranchized voters" who tried to vote for two different people. I'd bet they weren't registered, or had already voted, or something like that. Or maybe it's like in GA, where if you have a criminal record past a certain point, you don't get to vote.

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

FL code, Title IX, Chapter 97.041, clause 2:

"The following persons, who might be otherwise qualified, are not entitled to register or vote:

(a) A person who has been adjudicated mentally incapacitated with respect to voting in this or any other state and who has not had his or her right to vote restored pursuant to law.

(b) A person who has been convicted of any felony by any court of record and who has not had his or her right to vote restored pursuant to law.

(3) A person who is not registered may not vote."

It's also possible that they simply showed up after the polls closed. Need more info.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Hmmm, more info is needed ...

Big question is, why would the NAACP have a press-conference without first checking to see if the people complaining were/were not registered?

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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Probably for the same reason you boys started hyperventilating over a box of crayons and perfectly legal balots, or Jessie Jackson's going to defend a few thugs that started a riot. Namely, jumping to conclusions. The democrats are desperate, and they and their constituants (read: NAALCP) are going to do anything to try to steal the election.

Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

I would like to point out at this juncture that some of the people who were confused DID ASK FOR HELP. AND you know what the "helpers" said when they were asked which hole was Gore's? "I don't know". Hmmmm. SURE, you don't know.

And why are we so certain that everyone in the military is going to vote Bush? I never understood that.

And believe me, if the tables were turned, and this was a tight margin with the Republicans looking like they lost, every republican in the area would be trying to find the "lost" ballots and rectify the "confusing" ones.

There are LOTS of fishy things happening down there.
And that's not all, I heard that in one state some people actually got a call, telling them that because of expected high voter turn out, Republicans and Libertarians were to vote on Tuesday, and Democrats, Reforms, and Independents were to vote on Wednesday. And in still another state people were told that they had to bring a special registration card with them in order to be allowed in the polls. Of course that's a bunch of bullshit. Election day is tuesday for EVERYONE, and if you've registered prior, you don't need a special card... and you cant' vote now even if you DO bring in a filled out voter's registration form.

And just why is it that there was only one hole to punch for Bush, and two to punch for Gore, instead of the other way around? Hmmm. Could it be that they did that on purpose?

Well, I don't know. But I smell a rat, and I don't care if we have to wait until January itself to find out, Justice WILL be done. I personally think there should be a re-vote in Palm Beach, that would solve a LOT of problems.

Hell, even Pat Buchanon himself has stated that most of the votes labled his weren't. He knows he doesn't have 17 thousand supporters in Florida.

But it doesn't matter anyway. Bush isn't going to get any of his proposed bills passed with Congress the way it is. He doesn't have the republican majority he needs to pass things, and you can bet your ass those few democrat votes he needs are NOT going to change their minds, especially in light of this. And with that monkey-looking crotch goblin not winning the popular vote, he's going to find it very hard to make friends with all of us.

If he wins, I'm going to sit back and watch him make an idiot out of himself. It aught to be good for a few laughs.

But we'll see. This is FAR from over.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

"And with that monkey-looking crotch goblin..."

Brilliant! But how like a flaming wok it is, all greased up for the oven.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Omega,

What a moron you are.

Before everyone knew the ballot box was full of crayons people wondered. Now its a non-issue. Do you want me to speak slower?

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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

JeffK, could you write slower, I don't read that fast.....

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Hmmmm. I'll try, Ritten.

No, but seriously, Omega brings up the ballot box full of crayons, forgetting that for awhile, no one knew what was in it -- it could have been forgotten ballots or something of that.

Once it was found to be full of crayons, everyone dismissed it ... except for Omega, apparently.

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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Nope, you just don't like to be reminded that the Dems did a stupid thing. Demoncrats never like to be reminded when they blow an issue out of proportion, it hurts their feelings.

Like I said over and over again, a SEVEN YEAR OLD KID figured out which ballot space was Gore's. (FOX news, last night.) If the aforementioned voters aren't as smart as your average seven year old, do you really WANT them voting?

>"And that's not all, I heard that in one state some people actually got a call, telling them that because of expected high voter turn out, Republicans and Libertarians were to vote on Tuesday, and Democrats, Reforms, and Independents were to vote on Wednesday."

Yes, yes, this was a well-known hoax WEEKS before the election. Anyone stupid enough to fall for it DESERVED not to have their vote counted.

STUPIDITY deserves no mercy.
(which is also the central lesson of the skit from which I get my sig.)

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Actually, you could make an arguement that since a seven year old kid would have never voted in an election, he wouldn't have had any preconceptions, and therefore would have had to read everything, and get his information from that.

Other voters would have voted before, and been confused at the differences.

And most 7 year-old kids are pretty smart and adaptable. How comes they can remember the names of all 252 POkemon, but adults get confused trying to tell the difference between skimmed and semi-skimmed milk?

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

And anyone First, are you saying that stupid people should not vote? How clever should you have to be then? Someone with an IQ of 100? 80? 140? Should only the brightest people get a vote, because they obviously know more than the average Joe off the street?

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Wrong definition of "stupid". This isn't a question of intelligence. It's one of sense. We're talking about people of normal intelligence, but they don't feel compelled to pay enough attention to what they're doing, or they just can't be bothered to take the time to actually use their brains, and then they expect to be compensated for their own dumb mistakes.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Jubes:

"And why are we so certain that everyone in the military is going to vote Bush? I never understood that."

Unscientific polls show that the military votes 90% Bush. That, and the fact that under his father, the military was the strongest it's ever been, whereas under Clinton/Gore, it's the weakest for quite some time.

"I heard that in one state some people actually got a call, telling them that because of expected high voter turn out, Republicans and Libertarians were to vote on Tuesday, and Democrats, Reforms, and Independents were to vote on Wednesday."

Acutally, that was an e-mail joke. What I find more amusing is that the Democratic party apparently thinks that it's constituancy is so stupid as to believe that, since they bought a TV commercial in NC to say it's not true.

"And just why is it that there was only one hole to punch for Bush, and two to punch for Gore, instead of the other way around?"

Um... perhaps because that's the alphabetical order? It would make sense. Say they put the two major cantidates at the top in alphabetical order, then the other cantidates in alphabetical order below them. It would explain why Buchanan was third.

"Hell, even Pat Buchanon himself has stated that most of the votes labled his weren't. He knows he doesn't have 17 thousand supporters in Florida."

Actually, that number makes perfect sense, considering the Reform and Independant registration in Palm Beach county.

"But it doesn't matter anyway. Bush isn't going to get any of his proposed bills passed with Congress the way it is. He doesn't have the republican majority he needs to pass things"

We still control the house, and with a dead tie in the senate, the VP would break ties. Thus he could easily get bills passed.

Liam:

"Other voters would have voted before, and been confused at the differences."

Irrelevant. The law of the land from a '74 court decision is that if a reasonable, responsible search by the voter can determine where to mark the ballot, then it can't be thrown out on the grounds of being confusing. If a seven-year-old could determine it, any adult with half a brain could.

As for smart people voting, that's taken care of. You can only get an absentee ballot if YOU request one (not that that's stopped Democrats in the past, I might point out), and if you're too dumb to work the normal ballot, you can't vote anyway. Of course, then there's the whole thing about a literacy test being unconstitutional...

Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :

Look, just give Bush the presidency. If he royally screws up the job, well that's what the 4 year term is for. I highly doubt he'd do anything too far right in his lawmaking. After all, if 1/2 voted for him, that must mean 1/2 voted against, and the last thing Bush will want to do is to alienate even more people.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

>"We're talking about people of normal intelligence, but they don't feel compelled to pay enough attention to what they're doing, or they just can't be bothered to take the time to actually use their brains, and then they expect to be compensated for their own dumb mistakes."

TSN! You just stated the entirety of the Democratic/liberal position!

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Y'know, sometimes I think 'Wow, that First guy is quite knowledgable and informed.' but when you spew shit like this, I'm thinking you may be "informed", but you sure as fuck don't act it with all your blanket, ignorant and shallow comments.

Is it really necessary to slam Democrats in every fucking post?

Last time I checked, most democrats here don't start their posts with "Piece of shit extreme-conservative fudge-packing WASP jizz swallowing second ammendment spouting motherfuckers."

Informed, perhaps. Tolerant, No.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

From a friend who also happens t'be a former newsman & until a few months ago, a denizen of Tejas

Greetings My Fellow Americans!

I wholeheartedly *disagree* with Weez [on disbanding the Electoral College & going digital for voting -Ed.]. With all of what is going on, the current situation clearly shows it would be *impossible* to "recount" votes from a computer system, especially if the computer system either:

1) failed,
2) crashed,
3) corrupted the data, or
4) was hacked.

It would also be *incredibly* expensive to fund the hardware AND software!

This may be the age of computing, but computing has yet to reach the age of reliability. For evidence, I submit the questions: "Have you EVER lost data or suffered a computer crash, either in a session or with the entire harddrive?" "Have you ever had a trojan or a virus or suffered from a hacker?" If you have, you should be able to clearly see my point.

On a more ominous note, what if a terrorist got control of a nuclear device and used it on election night 2004 near the clearinghouse of the vote count? The EMP or ElectoMagneticPulse could wipe out all the data in an instant. The way it is now, albeit "old-fashioned," all the votes aren't in one place. Or suppose a group of hackers gained *complete* access to the computerized vote count? Granted, those aren't *likely* scenarios, but the whole impetus of our country's security is based on "unlikely scenarios." Most people call being prepared for unknown threats "smart."

Indeed, the process going on now is truly the "American Way." It's exciting! The votes are being counted and verified, and the people will just have to wait. I personally see no need for us to KNOW who the President will be this instant. We can all wait a few days--or weeks.

In 1960, Richard Nixon (in his first Republican bid for office) went berserk when he lost the election to Kennedy, calling for recounts and threatening legal action in countless districts--and the vote wasn't nearly as close as this one today. When it was all said and done, we learned Nixon was out and JFK was in. The country didn't shut down. Children didn't die as a result. And no one invaded the USA. The Democrats have a RIGHT to question returns, as do the Republicans--and they are talking about recounts in states other than Florida AND legal action as well. So, let's not be so damn quick to point a finger and cry "unfair!" What you see going on now is NOT one-sided. It's all-American!

My point is, there is nothing wrong with verifying the vote. It's the FAIR way to proceed--and it's the law of the land. Both parties know the rules (although it seems the average Joe or Jane doesn't seem to know the rules). Please don't fall for the spin doctor versions of *either* party. The vote is *extremely* close and literally *millions* of votes in many states are not tallied. When they are tallied, we may be surprised to see SEVERAL states flip to the other candidate! Florida may have nothing to do with the final popular OR electoral count! And some members of the electoral kollege may vote completely different from what their states have voted in the general election!! It's happened before, it will happen again, and it could happen on this one.

Wow, huh?

The vote has been taken. It's the accounting of the vote that needs to be complete-- and verified. And that is it. Those who gripe about the process should move AWAY and try another country. Let's be patient. Let's be fair. Let's know for sure.

Red ; ) <-----exiting soapbox

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Funny, I was under the distinct impression that Nixon was advised to call for recounts, but DIDN'T, because it wouldn't have been good for the country...

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I like this recount. It lets me see more Peter Jennings in his Brioni suits.

MMMmmmmm.....Brioni custom suits.....

*aaaaahhhhh....*

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Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :

...there seems to be a bit of confusion about this whole ballot issue.

My understanding was that the Sample Ballot mailed out had a DIFFERENT ORDER than the final ballot.

If that is indeed the case, then I can understand that greatly. The CA Sample Ballots clearly say that you should fill it out first, then copy ALL YOUR SELECTIONS over to your final ballot rather than make your decisions at the polling place.

If the order was different on the final ballot as I have understood to this point, that would surely explain this whole mess.

(Of course, the CA ballots are totally different than the FL ballots - ours is a card in which we punch out holes w/ numbers...)

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

That just means you should decide ahead of time that you want to vote for, say, Gore, and mark that down. Then, when you get to the polling place, just look at your paper, see you're voting for Gore, and mark Gore on the ballot. It doesn't mean that you should decide to vote for Gore, mark the second spot on the sample, and then alos mark the second spot on the real ballot, w/o even bothering to look at the names.

As for the suggestion that I'm a Democrat, I take offense at it. I do not subscribe to the lack of independent thought which is the political party system.

And about the idea of storing the results in a computer, and its being cracked... Well, that'd be kind of hard, if the computer weren't connected to the outside world. Sure, if you plug it up to an Internet connection, you may have a problem. But as long as it, or whatever network it may be on, never touches a phone line or other such connection, someone would have to actually be right there to crack it...

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Last time I checked, most democrats here don't start their posts with "Piece of shit extreme-conservative fudge-packing WASP jizz swallowing second ammendment
spouting motherfuckers."

No, that's far more YOUR tone of voice. Which mine never approached. Hell, those weren't even MY words!

And it's not slander, as it's a legitimate opinion, which I'm all too willing to argue.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

From the MSN News website...

WISCONSIN, 11 VOTES

Alleged voting irregularities, ranging from homeless
Milwaukee men offered cigarettes in exchange for Gore
votes and a �help yourself� stack of ballots at a Milwaukee polling place, could encourage the Bush campaign to request a recount, Wisconsin Republican Party spokesman Mick Walters said.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Piece of shit extreme-conservative fudge-packing WASP jizz swallowing second ammendment spouting motherfuckers.........

Thank you, and good day

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Of course, if someone had the wherewithal to detonate a thermonuclear device in order to take out the election results, they could just as easily use it to take out whoever was elected directly. Or, in fact, the electors themselves. Well, some small fraction of them.

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