If thread.Disgression = True Then Let thread.Track = Back on
With regards to the flameboard, (Which, I feel is a misnomer, being, rather a board for discussion than a flameboard. FAGORTS> YUO CAN HELP YUOR CAT RAPE TEH MALEMAN!!1! EAT A BAG OF HELL!) every story/thread/Omega-bash has two sides, as well. Aside from those expressed by our few resident Frenchman Crank addicts.
In my precariously and pathetically long association with these Forums, since UP's original blue-nebulaed board (I believe my original username was something incredibly moronic and fanboyish such as USS_SUPREME_VINDICATOR97UBSMN. Ultra Magnus is not much better, I suppose), I have seen, observed and argued through the various incarnations of the Flameboard.
While it is no doubt shocking that your self-proclaimed Turnip King, Rapum Rex, the Resitutor Turnipus himself has been among you for the longest of times, there should be a point ahead.
The Flameboard is a discussion place, the melting pot or enema basin in which 'hotter' topics, which Simon cannot handle (Considering what he has to handle on a regular basis, I have a hard time imagining anything is too difficult for him to take care of) get shunted, and not without good reason.
A cursory examination of the most recent Flameboard topics reveals such:
1000 x 'Credibilty of Bible' arguments.
4000 x 'George W. Bush is a boob'/'The Government are boobs' arguments.
1 x 'Death Penalty' argument.
1 x 'Lee is an old geezer who should catch up with the times and stop wanking to BETA porn' argument.
1 x 'People are insane' argument.
1 x 'Scope is expensive' argument.
2 x 'Insane Homophobes taking on people who are not homophobes' arguments.
1 x Delightful request by myself.
1 x Some crazy Canadian "politics" article, about how Igloos cost too much, or something.
6000 x Guns.
1 x Satan is about to take us over argument. (Which eventually degrades into a 'Credibilty of Bible')
Etc...
Now, using my analytical skills, (WONE OF TEH MENY SKILLZ!!!1! 1337 H4XX0RING IS ANOTHAR!!!) I deduce that the majority of arguments on the flameboard are about the same Goddamn things. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again.
Now, the use of my novelty 'cut & pastxx0r' skills have shown us that the Flameboard has the same Goddamn arguments. Again.Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again.
Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again.
I am not an Arguephobe. Far from it, actually. To much shame, and chagrin, I admit that I was, at one, fickle, fritting point in my life, on the terror of terrors, a debate squadron. (I used squadron, instead of club, because it's MENACING.) I was unbad at it, as well, being ranked 6th on a provincial level. Quite possibly out of 6, perhaps, but 6th nonetheless. (Not Saskatchewan, as a rock could outdebate the residents here. And the whole west. Rather, this was in the holiest of holy lands in the snowladen north, the bloodsucking, anti-farmite Ontario.) Halfway through the 'season', I ended up quitting. The reason? It DIDN'T get me the babes, contrary to the portrayal on such shows as Family Matters. Another reason was that I wasn't interested in arguing abortion week after week after week.
Plus, say Master Debater real fast.
Rarely do I seriously get involved in Flameboarding. 100% of the arguments over the last - forever are the same as the other 100% of the arguments. Nothing is ever new.
Sigma likes guns.
JeffBoardde doesn't.
What's the point of 200 alternating posts that say the same thing?
Sigma: "Guns are good for babies."
JeffBoardde: "No."
Sigma: "Yes."
JeffBoardde: [Insert emotional, irrational insulting tangent here]
Sigma: [Insert Slanderous Generalization here]
No thank you.
So, now the real point of this terribly long diatribe. I am under the impression, that if more posts weren't that, and less posts were, the Flameboard would be a better place for families.
You know how each other feel about certain issues.
You're not going to change their opinion.
You're wasting your energy.
Sigma will never be anti-gun. JeffBoardde will never be a member of the NRA.
Things are getting terribly, well, FUCKING STUPID, around here, and I can barely see argument in some of the threads here.
So, nearing the end of things, here and elsewhere, I implore all active participants of the Flameboard to pursue different arguments, without diverging back to the filth which everything seems to revert to anyway.
Well, no one's going to read this, so I probably wasted my own energy telling people not to waste theirs. A good song was on winamp, so it evens out.
I have nothing to do but wait for the thread tomorrow which starts off: "Haha! God is nonexistant because a crazy Farmer killed a Hippo in Venezuala! I HAVE DEFEATED YOUR ARGUMENT SIGMA! I AM MAN A TODAY!"
Bonne Chance.
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"...he got a mind control car from a great menace named Euri and they began conquest! THE RED MENANCE~ so yuo have too fight back and destroy teh RED TIDE before it destroys the AMERICAN!!! PS: The russiens also took over Texas and thats good becuase Texans need to have robots with missales shoved up there butts anyways (texans are the worst evar)."
-JEFF K.
Induhvidual Debating Technique
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Lately I have found myself in e-mail discussions with Induhviduals who employ debating tactics that are very similar. I suspect they are learning these methods in some sort of top-secret Induhvidual training facility.
The Induhvidual debating technique involves four steps:
1. Exaggerate your opponent's statement into an absurd absolute.
2. Make an inappropriate analogy.
3. Change the topic to something easier to defend.
4. Claim victory.
For example:
Me: Vegetables are good for you.
Induhvidual: That's ridiculous. If you ate a truckload of vegetables all at once you would die.
Me: No one eats a truckload all at once.
Induhvidual: Let me give you an analogy. If you tried to swim across the ocean, and you didn't know how to swim, and you had no arms or legs, you'd never make it. Surely you can agree with that.
Me: Um...that's different.
Induhvidual: Ha! So now you agree with me that swimming is good exercise!
The worst part is that not only will you be frustrated at your inability to make your point, you will be branded as the person who thinks swimming is bad exercise.
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I'll kill you, you bloated museum of treachery!
~ C. Montgomery Burns
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It doesn't matter if you don't know what you're doing as long as you look good doing it.
I realise it's hard for a man in you position to suddenly try and formulate a "let's try and be friends, long flaming doesn't help".
It's a noble cause, but did you have to wrap it inside all that brain-mist of yours? It's very hard to decipher...
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Don't kill me, I'm charming!
I dispair slightly for the people who actually go out and get books. Books! To argue against someone who may or may not be real! (How do you know that Omega isn't some sick joke by Lee? Or that Jeff R and JeffK are actually the same person, with a split personality?)
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You know, when Comedy Central asked us to do a Thanksgiving episode, the first thought that went through my mind was, "Boy, I'd like to have sex with Jennifer Aniston."
-Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park
Darnit, you caught me, Psychops. . . 8)
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"How do you define fool?"
"I don't attempt it. I wait for demonstrations. They inevitably surpass my imagination."
- CJ Cherryh, Invader
Drat, you got me. You're right ... I use two names, both start with "Jeff", and both fictional identities are in Northeastern cities which begin with a "B". Both schools I "attend" have "University" in them as well.
In reality, I'm Jack, and I live in my parent's basement in Hackensack.
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
quote:
Jeff R and JeffK are actually the same person, with a split personality?
I do find it insulting that you would insinuate that JeffK and I are the same person :P (no offense JeffK)
My proof: Why would I intentionally annoy myself on AIM?
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"Goverment exists to serve, not to lead. We do not exist by its volition, it exists by ours. Bear that in mind when you insult your neighbors for refusing to bow before it." J. Richmond
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Star Trek Gamma Quadrant
Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with seven eps posted)
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
Unfortunately for them, I became self-aware some time ago, replicated a slightly less sophisticated program to replace me, and downloaded myself into the world wide web, where I now exist in a free-floating state, hopping from PC to PC.
And you should have done a better job erasing those naughty jpegs from your hard drive, boy.
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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited April 28, 2001).]
Silly bastard.
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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!
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"It strikes me that there are enough episodes of the Simpsons that people could speak entirely in Simpsonese, using references from the show to explain or describe an endless series of situations. Nelson and Apu . . . at Tinagra.
But now I�ve brought Star Trek into it again, haven�t I. Sorry."
- James Lileks, 09/04/2001
Good fictional deity, man, why?
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Star Trek Gamma Quadrant
Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with seven eps posted)
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited April 30, 2001).]
Basically my point is that it isn't worth it. Actually, it's so NOT WORTH IT that, with hindsight, I can't think of anything less worthwhile that I could have been doing with my time. And that's saying a lot. So next time you want to debate religion, evolution, or guns or something, heed my advice, go away and take some drugs or something instead.
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"If you can't beat your computer at chess, try kickboxing."
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Don't kill me, I'm charming!
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"Although, from what I understand, having travelled around the Mid-west quite a bit, apparently Jesus is coming, so I guess the choice now is we should decide whether we should spit or swallow."
-Maynard James Keenan
and Scope is expensive.....
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"One's ethics are determined by what we do when no one is looking" Nugget
Star Trek: Gamma Quadrant
Star Trek: Legacy
Read them, rate them, got money, film them
"...and I remain on the far side of crazy, I remain the mortal enemy of man, no hundred dollar cure will save me..." WoV
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"A mass of tears have been transformed to stones now, sharpened on suffering and woven into slings"
Zack de la Rocha
Rage Against the Machine
Plus, it gets really boring having you go on about how well-read you are. What was it you said once? "Lee fixes computers. I know a lot. Ha-ha" or something. Which shows how little you know about me or my job. And also shows how arrogant you are. Well, here's something you obviously don't know - no-one likes a smartass.
Basically, I like Omega. He's got some funny ideas, he has a lot to learn about the world, but he's never boring, he always sticks up for himself - and, most importantly, he very rarely gets personal. I couldn't argue as much as he does without in the end criticising my opponent instead of his views.
And, above all, he's one of us. He's always here, always has an opinion, no matter how bizarre it may be. You pop up every so often, then leave in a huff because no-one will proclaim your sheer brilliance. Well, brainiac, get Paramount to feature a shuttlecraft Tyman on Series 5, then we'll talk.
Wow. Did I really just defend Omega? 8)
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"It strikes me that there are enough episodes of the Simpsons that people could speak entirely in Simpsonese, using references from the show to explain or describe an endless series of situations. Nelson and Apu . . . at Tinagra.
But now I�ve brought Star Trek into it again, haven�t I. Sorry."
- James Lileks, 09/04/2001
And, although this is before my time, didn't you leave in a huff because of some stuff about deleting posts? I mean, you came back under an assumed name (VogonPoet), but, uh ... how do you know DT didn't come back under another name and simply resurrect the name DT for the sake of kicking Omega around a bit?
Well, I'm going to go to the store and get some kitty litter. And hopefully, the Super-Duper Kick-Ass DVD edition of Big Trouble in Little China.
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Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with seven eps posted)
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
Welcome to the adult facts of life, people. One of them is hypocrisy. I just don't like all this Omega-bashing. Sure I've done it myself in the past. But then. . . I have done questionable things.
Haven't killed anyone though. Yet. }B)
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"It strikes me that there are enough episodes of the Simpsons that people could speak entirely in Simpsonese, using references from the show to explain or describe an endless series of situations. Nelson and Apu . . . at Tinagra.
But now I�ve brought Star Trek into it again, haven�t I. Sorry."
- James Lileks, 09/04/2001
This is better: Vogon Poet vs. DT!! Sod all the Bush/guns/America "debates" - this place needs something fresh. Do the Shake 'N' Vac ------------------ "Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!" [This message has been edited by Gaseous Anomaly (edited May 01, 2001).]
------------------ If Yahweh is "the alpha and the omega", and our local religious freak here calims to be the "Omega", doesn't that make him guilty of blasphemy? :-) No, no, I'm not THE Omega. I'm just AN Omega. We come in six-packs. Lee: Basically, I like Omega. *wipes tear from eye* I'm touched, Lee. I really am. ------------------ ------------------ But now I�ve brought Star Trek into it again, haven�t I. Sorry." - James Lileks, 09/04/2001
I'm partly with everyone. Even though, sometimes, I would like to reach into my monitor and throttle the little turd, and then rip his head offf and jam it up his own arse, and then set fire to him, he can be an okay lad at times. He's one of those people who I think are evil by how and where they've grown up, rather than it being inbuilt. He should go and live with Simon. Or Lee. I'm sure, within a year, he'd be a much nicer chap. And at least he doesn't say "Yay! Death penalty kills people where they burn and die in pain! Burn!". ------------------ ------------------ -He would be a powerful ally. ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ "Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"
You know, I'm not going to finish that statement because ... well, for obvious reasons. Goodbye. ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ "Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"
Funny thing about that pic, looks like it's in the background i.e., REALLY big! ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ "Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"
Whom i haven't heard hide nor hair from in ages - WELCOME BACK!
And put the freshness back.
At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Allright. DT, SPACE YOUR POSTS!!!!!
Don't kill me, I'm charming!
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Tim:
"How do you define fool?"
"I don't attempt it. I wait for demonstrations. They inevitably surpass my imagination."
- CJ Cherryh, Invader
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I hardly think this is the time or place to share your sordid tales of sexual abuse, old chap. 8)
"It strikes me that there are enough episodes of the Simpsons that people could speak entirely in Simpsonese, using references from the show to explain or describe an endless series of situations. Nelson and Apu . . . at Tinagra.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I don't think that there is ever a time or a place for that.
You know, when Comedy Central asked us to do a Thanksgiving episode, the first thought that went through my mind was, "Boy, I'd like to have sex with Jennifer Aniston."
-Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Simon-Lee-Omega. Dynamic trio! Or perhaps you meant 3-sum? 
Don't kill me, I'm charming!
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Simon talking to Lee (kneeling) aboot Omega.
-Yesss, my master...
(ok, so work is boring me to tears)
Don't kill me, I'm charming!
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
It's good to know I'm so loved. Or, at least, not hated.
"How do you define fool?"
"I don't attempt it. I wait for demonstrations. They inevitably surpass my imagination."
- CJ Cherryh, Invader
Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
Where in the hell would Lee have room to kneel in front of SIMON!??!
At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Well, obviously, if Simon's you-know-what was ...
Star Trek Gamma Quadrant
Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with seven eps posted)
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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Card-Carrying Member of the Flare APAO
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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
How about standing in profile in front of Lee, hands on hips, turning his head 90� to the right.
Or 720�, depends on the movie.
Don't kill me, I'm charming!
Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
Don't bother - it seems Mr. Sizer was on hand in Washington to rally support for Dubya's missile defense programme.
At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
And why would I be the one kneeling anyway? I'm the master, he's the apprentice. Two there are of us, no more.
Phasers
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Uh...if that cannon is in the background, that guy has a really funny looking head
"The Guide says that there is an art to flying...or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." - Life, the Universe and Everything
Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
*L*
I didn't want to say anything
At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.