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There are two sides to every story. Perhaps three or four, but those people are usually insane, and are the same ones who claim they can see fairies, usually after taking the frencman's crank/LSD/catfood combination they bought from the frenchman Jean-Pierre in the back of his Westfalia van.
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With regards to the flameboard, (Which, I feel is a misnomer, being, rather a board for discussion than a flameboard. FAGORTS> YUO CAN HELP YUOR CAT RAPE TEH MALEMAN!!1! EAT A BAG OF HELL!) every story/thread/Omega-bash has two sides, as well. Aside from those expressed by our few resident Frenchman Crank addicts.
In my precariously and pathetically long association with these Forums, since UP's original blue-nebulaed board (I believe my original username was something incredibly moronic and fanboyish such as USS_SUPREME_VINDICATOR97UBSMN. Ultra Magnus is not much better, I suppose), I have seen, observed and argued through the various incarnations of the Flameboard.
While it is no doubt shocking that your self-proclaimed Turnip King, Rapum Rex, the Resitutor Turnipus himself has been among you for the longest of times, there should be a point ahead.
The Flameboard is a discussion place, the melting pot or enema basin in which 'hotter' topics, which Simon cannot handle (Considering what he has to handle on a regular basis, I have a hard time imagining anything is too difficult for him to take care of) get shunted, and not without good reason.
A cursory examination of the most recent Flameboard topics reveals such:
1000 x 'Credibilty of Bible' arguments. 4000 x 'George W. Bush is a boob'/'The Government are boobs' arguments. 1 x 'Death Penalty' argument. 1 x 'Lee is an old geezer who should catch up with the times and stop wanking to BETA porn' argument. 1 x 'People are insane' argument. 1 x 'Scope is expensive' argument. 2 x 'Insane Homophobes taking on people who are not homophobes' arguments. 1 x Delightful request by myself. 1 x Some crazy Canadian "politics" article, about how Igloos cost too much, or something. 6000 x Guns. 1 x Satan is about to take us over argument. (Which eventually degrades into a 'Credibilty of Bible') Etc...
Now, using my analytical skills, (WONE OF TEH MENY SKILLZ!!!1! 1337 H4XX0RING IS ANOTHAR!!!) I deduce that the majority of arguments on the flameboard are about the same Goddamn things. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again.
Now, the use of my novelty 'cut & pastxx0r' skills have shown us that the Flameboard has the same Goddamn arguments. Again.Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again.
I am not an Arguephobe. Far from it, actually. To much shame, and chagrin, I admit that I was, at one, fickle, fritting point in my life, on the terror of terrors, a debate squadron. (I used squadron, instead of club, because it's MENACING.) I was unbad at it, as well, being ranked 6th on a provincial level. Quite possibly out of 6, perhaps, but 6th nonetheless. (Not Saskatchewan, as a rock could outdebate the residents here. And the whole west. Rather, this was in the holiest of holy lands in the snowladen north, the bloodsucking, anti-farmite Ontario.) Halfway through the 'season', I ended up quitting. The reason? It DIDN'T get me the babes, contrary to the portrayal on such shows as Family Matters. Another reason was that I wasn't interested in arguing abortion week after week after week.
Plus, say Master Debater real fast.
Rarely do I seriously get involved in Flameboarding. 100% of the arguments over the last - forever are the same as the other 100% of the arguments. Nothing is ever new.
Sigma likes guns. JeffBoardde doesn't.
What's the point of 200 alternating posts that say the same thing?
Sigma: "Guns are good for babies." JeffBoardde: "No." Sigma: "Yes." JeffBoardde: [Insert emotional, irrational insulting tangent here] Sigma: [Insert Slanderous Generalization here]
No thank you.
So, now the real point of this terribly long diatribe. I am under the impression, that if more posts weren't that, and less posts were, the Flameboard would be a better place for families.
You know how each other feel about certain issues. You're not going to change their opinion. You're wasting your energy.
Sigma will never be anti-gun. JeffBoardde will never be a member of the NRA.
Things are getting terribly, well, FUCKING STUPID, around here, and I can barely see argument in some of the threads here.
So, nearing the end of things, here and elsewhere, I implore all active participants of the Flameboard to pursue different arguments, without diverging back to the filth which everything seems to revert to anyway.
Well, no one's going to read this, so I probably wasted my own energy telling people not to waste theirs. A good song was on winamp, so it evens out.
I have nothing to do but wait for the thread tomorrow which starts off: "Haha! God is nonexistant because a crazy Farmer killed a Hippo in Venezuala! I HAVE DEFEATED YOUR ARGUMENT SIGMA! I AM MAN A TODAY!"
Bonne Chance.
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Lately I have found myself in e-mail discussions with Induhviduals who employ debating tactics that are very similar. I suspect they are learning these methods in some sort of top-secret Induhvidual training facility.
The Induhvidual debating technique involves four steps: 1. Exaggerate your opponent's statement into an absurd absolute. 2. Make an inappropriate analogy. 3. Change the topic to something easier to defend. 4. Claim victory.
For example: Me: Vegetables are good for you. Induhvidual: That's ridiculous. If you ate a truckload of vegetables all at once you would die. Me: No one eats a truckload all at once. Induhvidual: Let me give you an analogy. If you tried to swim across the ocean, and you didn't know how to swim, and you had no arms or legs, you'd never make it. Surely you can agree with that. Me: Um...that's different. Induhvidual: Ha! So now you agree with me that swimming is good exercise!
The worst part is that not only will you be frustrated at your inability to make your point, you will be branded as the person who thinks swimming is bad exercise.
------------------ I'll kill you, you bloated museum of treachery! ~ C. Montgomery Burns
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No, I agree. I used to read the FB, but I got tired of the same old stuff. Give me something new! Then maybe I'd stick my head in here more often.
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Ultra, you mad pseudo-monarch. You may only use the turnip to heal, not to hack! Or you will break that which cannot be broken!
I realise it's hard for a man in you position to suddenly try and formulate a "let's try and be friends, long flaming doesn't help". It's a noble cause, but did you have to wrap it inside all that brain-mist of yours? It's very hard to decipher...
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Personally, I find the whole thing rather amusing. It lifts my spirits to come here at the end of a hard day of doing, er, nothing, and watch people argue. Stupidly. The only time recently I've ever actually wanted to get involved was during the "I want to see people die! Burn! Ha ha ha! I am...the Executioner!" thingy.
I dispair slightly for the people who actually go out and get books. Books! To argue against someone who may or may not be real! (How do you know that Omega isn't some sick joke by Lee? Or that Jeff R and JeffK are actually the same person, with a split personality?)
------------------ You know, when Comedy Central asked us to do a Thanksgiving episode, the first thought that went through my mind was, "Boy, I'd like to have sex with Jennifer Aniston." -Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park
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How do you know that Omega isn't some sick joke by Lee?
Darnit, you caught me, Psychops. . . 8)
------------------ "How do you define fool?" "I don't attempt it. I wait for demonstrations. They inevitably surpass my imagination." - CJ Cherryh, Invader
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I think I would know if I was JeffRaven as well. Besides, I live in Baltimore. He's in Buffalo.
Drat, you got me. You're right ... I use two names, both start with "Jeff", and both fictional identities are in Northeastern cities which begin with a "B". Both schools I "attend" have "University" in them as well.
In reality, I'm Jack, and I live in my parent's basement in Hackensack.
------------------ Star Trek Gamma Quadrant Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with seven eps posted) *** "Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" -Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001 *** "I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
quote: Jeff R and JeffK are actually the same person, with a split personality?
I do find it insulting that you would insinuate that JeffK and I are the same person :P (no offense JeffK)
My proof: Why would I intentionally annoy myself on AIM?
------------------ "Goverment exists to serve, not to lead. We do not exist by its volition, it exists by ours. Bear that in mind when you insult your neighbors for refusing to bow before it." J. Richmond
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Well, obviously, it's all just a side-effect of the mental problems which have caused us -- er, me -- to create two seperate identies on Flare. Duh.
------------------ Star Trek Gamma Quadrant Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with seven eps posted) *** "Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" -Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001 *** "I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
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I, on the other hand, am a Heuristically designed Artificial Intelligence created by NORAD scientists to replace the aging DEW systems.
Unfortunately for them, I became self-aware some time ago, replicated a slightly less sophisticated program to replace me, and downloaded myself into the world wide web, where I now exist in a free-floating state, hopping from PC to PC.
And you should have done a better job erasing those naughty jpegs from your hard drive, boy.
------------------ The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
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I am a living, breathing, generally swedish person, sitting here and contemplating my very human thoughts, emotions and information about our cultural habits, nothing els/?RC=7&ai=763&random=12617743289046{REPORTBACKTOTCHLULUPRIME,UNITONEzzzzzpt*=-
[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited April 28, 2001).]
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Funny. I'm sure this isn't the first time I've been accused of inventing Omega. . .
------------------ "It strikes me that there are enough episodes of the Simpsons that people could speak entirely in Simpsonese, using references from the show to explain or describe an endless series of situations. Nelson and Apu . . . at Tinagra.
But now I�ve brought Star Trek into it again, haven�t I. Sorry."
------------------ Star Trek Gamma Quadrant Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with seven eps posted) *** "Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" -Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001 *** "I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited April 30, 2001).]
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I agree with UM. After being one of the unfortunate individuals who tried to argue with erm.. Sigma on various occasions I know how bloody frustrating it is to argue for ages and when you finally manage to sidestep the bullshit he throws at you he decides to abscond from the discussion.(cf. "Bush is a whore to Mr. Big Oil" and "I stubbed my elbow with a vacuum cleaner") NOT ONLY THAT, but he'll start arguing in another thread on the same topic as if the aforesaid discussions never took place.
Basically my point is that it isn't worth it. Actually, it's so NOT WORTH IT that, with hindsight, I can't think of anything less worthwhile that I could have been doing with my time. And that's saying a lot. So next time you want to debate religion, evolution, or guns or something, heed my advice, go away and take some drugs or something instead.
------------------ "If you can't beat your computer at chess, try kickboxing."
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