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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1110588a4560,FF.html

Holy cripes! His name must be Damien!

[ February 25, 2002, 17:38: Message edited by: First of Two ]
 
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
And, to think, if the woman had a gun, she could have stopped the violence then and there and rid the world of another evil soul!
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Grow up.
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
You should try it first, Rob. Besides, isn't that usually your response to everything? "Well, if they'd HAD a gun ..." or "He should have KNOWN better, he got what he deserved ..."
 
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
Maybe, but I'll give Robespierre this; one doesn't have to drag a dead horse into a thread for no real reason.
 
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
Argh... damn you Jay. I had the Robespierre thing up my sleeve for use sometime in the near future. Ptooey.

And apologies for the dead horse. I just stopped and wondered what godly purpose posting this in the Flameboard had aside from the usual "a knife/metal pipe/toy truck can be a deadly weapon too" argument.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Well, I thought it was funny...
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Well, spare the rod and spoil the child, as people say. I wonder if Rob's parents ever beat him. . .
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
I posted this in the flameboard because I though someone might think I was trying to say things about Down Under (especially with that Guinness Book record about the "world's most violent place outside of a war zone.")

Also because it might provoke rants/debates on discipline and/or parental responsibility.

I have never, and never would, suggest shooting a three-year-old, or any child, and even suggesting otherwise verges on idiocy. (Admittedly, I don't consider a 14-year-old gang banger a 'child,' but that's another fight altogether.

Vogon: I got spanked, on occasion. Not so much for misbehaving as for lying about it afterwards. Although if I'd acted like that kid, a hide-tanning would almost certainly have followed. (of course, in my family, a 'hide-tanning' was three spanks and a thorough lecture, and the revocation of play priveliges.)
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
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I posted this in the flameboard because I though someone might think I was trying to say things about Down Under (especially with that Guinness Book record about the "world's most violent place outside of a war zone.")

Also because it might provoke rants/debates on discipline and/or parental responsibility.

I have never, and never would, suggest shooting a three-year-old, or any child, and even suggesting otherwise verges on idiocy. (Admittedly, I don't consider a 14-year-old gang banger a 'child,' but that's another fight altogether.

Fine. So that's why you posted it in the Flameboard. Now let's get on with why you posted it at all. Sure, some people might have (and indeed have) found it funny. But we don't generally associate the posting of whimsical news items with you. Tahna maybe, and Baloo once upon a time, but - and I mean this in the nicest possible way - you quite often tend to have an agenda, a knife to grind if you will. I could speculate on your reasons, but I'm feeling mellow tonight. So I'll just ask straight out: what are you trying to prove?

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of course, in my family, a 'hide-tanning' was three spanks and a thorough lecture, and the revocation of play priveliges
I rest my case. 8)
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
To quote my friend Burke, "Wha?!? The toddler was 'strong'? I'd've tossed that kid into the Robitussin display like a friggin' Chucky doll and then pimp-slapped his mother for good measure."
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
"...some people might have (and indeed have) found it funny."

I hope you don't mean me. I was talking about Tom's joke. The article isn't funny.

Well, maybe w/ the exception of the one lady's saying "I read somewhere that's how terrorists are bred"...
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
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So I'll just ask straight out: what are you trying to prove?
That I can post WITHOUT any real agenda?

That if I DO post without any real agenda, somebody will accuse me of having one?

That the endless gun/war/Bush/Clinton posts even bore ME after a while?

That parental irresponsibility is the same all over the world?

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Palm Island, off Townsville in Queensland, which the Guinness Book of Records lists as the world's most violent place outside a combat zone.
That if this is true, then New York, D.C. and Detroit are getting a bad rap?

Take your pick, they're all true.
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Well, if one were to provide a rough and very general overview of your posts, it'd be something of the lines of "Me right, everyone else wrong." And since, as once more, I stand corrected by the eminent Mr. Nix regarding the article's chuckle quotient, again I ask: what the fuck, huh?

Of course, I'm reluctant to speculate, but I've noted the article's foreign (as in non-US) origin and subject and am rapidly drawing my own conclusions.

Furthermore, how do you FIND such things? I mean, if it was firearms-related I'd assume that it was plucked fresh from the Firearms Incidents in Countries with Really Good Gun Control, So Nyah section of the NRA newsletter. If on the other hand you consider it politic to regularly scan a wide cross-section of the world's news websites for such tidbits, then, while I applaud your devotion to personal self-enrichment, I only wish I had so much time on my hands. . . 8)
 
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
Sorry about that Tom. [Smile]
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
I found it at snopes.com, where I am a member and go daily.

Happy now?

As for the "me right, everyone else wrong"... no, not everyone. Just the people who disagree with me, naturally. [Wink]

That's a joke, which I mention just to frustrate those of us here who would otherwise try to fake being too obtuse to get it.
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Very droll. Ow, stop, you're killing me. Oh, my aching sides. . .

Snopes? The urban legend website?
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Yup. They have a message board very similar to this one.

Urban legends are not all that gets posted about, though.
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
I'll have to check it out. Right, now where were we? We'd established where you got this from; now, why did you post it?
 
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Not to draw this dangerously on-topic, but if I was being attacked by a psychotic three year old, I'd, well, move.
 
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
 
What if it was a particularly tough, fast 3 y/o. Then we would have to come back to Tom's suggestion.
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Voggiechops, we've already covered that. I posted it because I found it interesting.

If _I_ were attacked by a psychotic 3-year-old, I'd probably try to disarm him and try to keep him at arm's length until I could wrap him in a rug like a mad cat.

Then I'd shoot his parents. (Just kidding.)

I'd find his keeper and ask him/her if, in exchange for my not pressing for damages and having CYS investigate them, they'd give me all the money they were currently carrying.

If they said yes, and it was less than $50, I'd call CYS on them anyway.
 
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
I have yet to see the three year old that could keep up with me running, and I run like a girl. But to be dangerously sensible, if the kid is following, walk out of sight of the mother. Then she'd HAVE to do something. And if she doesn't, well, go into a pub or something.
 
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
 
Go to the pub, that's the english solution for everything.
 
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
 
If i were being clobbered in the head by some punk-ass 3 year old, i'd clobber him right back, in the chops, with a set of keys between my fingers (just jokin) but i really would drop the punk. i wouldn't much give a damn about him being three years old, if he gave me a cuncussion.
 
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
 
Oh yeah. This reminds me of something i saw a long time ago: this kids parents bought him a high powered BB gun for his 4rth birthday. HIS 4TH BIRTHDAY FOR FUCK SAKES! and he was shooting at cans and targets behind the baseball field, when his mom cam and took it cause he was pointing it in other peoples direction, when he started screamin at her and using words like "bitch, slut, whore, F*cking As*hole, and the such, the kid could curse better than any sailor that i ever met. if he still had his BB gun, he'd probaly've shot at her. i'm just glad that his aim was terrible, with the 20 or so shots he made, he couldn't hit the targets from only 3 or 4 meters away.
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
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I'd find his keeper and ask him/her if, in exchange for my not pressing for damages and having CYS investigate them, they'd give me all the money they were currently carrying.
That's great. So, when they have you arrested for robbery ("This man had our little junior wrapped in a rug like a mad cat and said he'd only give us back to us if we gave him all the cash we had! He also made up some lies about junior hitting him!"), people will laugh at you for your lame story about some little tyke hitting you with a whatever, and PsyLiam and VorgonPoet will say to all their chums "didja hear about that American who couldn't walk away from a little toddler? I told you those Americans were fat."

[ February 28, 2002, 16:45: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Interesting. Is it? I suppose it is. It raises concerns about many things, for instance what do you do with problem children? It's easy to blame the parents, but the trouble is, some problem childrens' behaviour has, in many documented cases, transcended mere accusations of insufficient parental discipline. I'll try to dig some out, there was a case here a few years ago where a school refused to re-admit a suspended child because his behaviour had gotten so extreme.

But that's what I read into it. Why does it interest you? Many things interest you, no doubt; many things likewise interest me.

For instance, right now I'm watching my cat playing with a cork. She's stalking it, pouncing, wrestling wildly with it, yet somehow managing to lose the battle every time. For her, that cork is right now the most interesting thing in the universe. I'm pretty fascinated, watching it, myself. But I'm not about to start a thread about it, and neither is she.

So, c'mon, Robbie, what are you trying to tell us here? How does this fit into your greater agenda?
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
It's becoming clear that I'm going to have to make special signs for Snay to indicate when I'm being facetious and when I'm not.

Graham Chapman voice:
When I put the antler hat on, I'm being facetious. See?
*puts antler hat on*
Now I'm being facetious...
*takes antler hat off*
And now I'm not.

Will this help, or do I have to post all my humor in ALL CAPS?

VACUOUS, TOFFEE-NOSED, MALODOROUS PERVERT!


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I'm pretty fascinated, watching it, myself. But I'm not about to start a thread about it, and neither is she.
Yes, but some people might. Some girls, especially. Probably not here, though. In fact, haven't there been a LOT of posts about cats?

And you still were interested enough to mention it.

Hell, it was a LOT more interesting than those awful LEGO posts... [Big Grin]

[ February 28, 2002, 18:56: Message edited by: First of Two ]
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
I see I'm going to have to make special signs for Robert to tell him the exact damn thing. Rob, sometimes you need to realize people mean things in the same vein that *you* meant them.

Jesus.

And, er, actually there'll probably be a "Name Snay's New Kitten" thread in the next few days.

[ February 28, 2002, 19:01: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I think I may have to call Rob "Señor Biggles" from now on...
 
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
 
Hey Snay name your cat "Old One Eye"
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Yes, but when I mention what my cat is doing, I think people round here can pretty much assume I had no ulterior motive in doing so. Unless you count the example I was making by it - the context I was placing it in - an ulterior motive. One could even go so far as to suggest I was making a point.

But that's very different from starting a new thread, placed deliberately in the Flameboard, which provided us this information without any attempt at putting it in context. However, we're still at a loss because the question remains (though you still try to avoid it): what was the point?
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
quote:
Old One Eye
She's a kitten and both are working great.
 
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
 
It is in reference to it walking away.
 
Posted by G.K Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
 
Morris or Molly is nice, and they say names beginning with S is good, although there are only so many boy-names on S...
Abca or Dipshit isn't popular anymore, but Fniss and John Wayne is moving up, as is Der Mauer.

I'll keep you posted once my field operatives return with fresh tidings.

If anyone else names his cat Simba I will call my ombudsman.

This just in: I heard of a race-horse here in Sweden, named "Wham, Bam, thank you maam", it got really irritating once the race started and they had to repeat it every other second. I didn't act upon that either, though.
 


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