Al Aqsa == The Foundation? HAHA ONE MILLION POINTS.
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
What exactly is funny?
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Jay, if you figure out Magnus' thought process, I'm sure you'll know.
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
Yeah Snay, I'm aware of the misfiring synapses going on there.
I'm just not sure that a thread dedicated to at least 15 people getting blow apart and the violence in the region escalating more and more has much room for humor.
[ March 27, 2002, 14:37: Message edited by: Jay the Obscure ]
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
Eventually the terrorists will build bigger car bombs, and the Israelis will shoot more Palestinian, until the terrorists build car bombs so big and the Israelis shoot so many Palestinians that they destroy the(ir) world.
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
Our family did some research on the Palestinians.
Two points which I remember- 1. Jerusalem is of strategic importance to the Palestine state and is holy to Christians and Muslims. Do you see a religious group missing? This tidbit is from their National Affairs Department, based in Gaza City and Ramallah. 2. For the militants, they are fighting a war for the liberation of Palestine. If they lose, a piece of Islam will be lost. This is the thinkning of HAMAS and is reported in a report published by a counter-terrorist agency.
I am not surprised that Americans are viewed as terrorists. A recent poll in Lebanon showed that greater than a 2/3 majority believe this of our country.
Of course, this raises a question. How do Muslims and, especially Palestinians define terrorism to be? If they view their actions as liberation, and we view these same actions as terrorism, don't we have a major disconity in interpretation and understanding?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...don't we have a major disconity in interpretation and understanding?"
Well, duh.
And your two "points" don't seem to make a lot of sense. Is there some sort of context to them?
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
Context? This is how Palestinians think.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
How would YOU know what Palestinians think? You're a wannabe Israeli for fuck's sake. And don't start whinging on about how dare a Muslim can call anyone else terrorists, there are plenty of people in the country you currently belong to who think the IRA are freedom fightrers and the British Government the terrorists. It's a common dichotomy, and attempting to label all Palestinians as hypocrites because of it is patently absurd.
As for your two points, why don't you provide the full text of each and we'll decide from there. You can't deduce anything of Palestinian motives from the fact that they neglected to list Judaism as a religion that holds Jerusalem to be a sacred place; most people know it is, a slight omission like that isn't going to do the National Affairs department any favours.
And as for point 2, well, so what? Many Israelis believe they are fighting for the preservation of the state of Israel; if they lose, a significant part of their religion and culture will be lost. It's a no-brainer.
[ March 28, 2002, 08:55: Message edited by: Vogon Poet ]
Posted by U//Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Man, the one time I wasn't trying to make a joke. Whooo.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
No one can brand all members of a particular race as having one mindset. The Isralis and Palestinians are caught in a vicious circle; after so long most people in power are not willing to even listen to the other side's point of view. Both side's reactions are severly flawed, neither is willing to compromise, ultimately one side or the other will have to win. If it is Israel then I believe fighting in the area will escalate as other Arab nations decide to help their 'people'. Israel will probably be left to hang by the West, America cannot be seen to be involved in a religious war, or at least what is percieved as a religious war. It is all a matter of perspective as to who is 'right' and who is 'wrong'.
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
If you disagree with my 'context', why don't you do the research? Why don't you provide the quotes to show the Palestinians are capable of different thoughts?
I am a person who wants to be a Jew. Yes, Judaism and Israel are interconnected. However, I have no desire to live in Israel. The place is unsafe. I would rather live in a safer place, say Australia or New Zealand. The last I heard, neither of these countries had a bomb explode in a hotel dinery or at a street cafe or on a bus.
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
I am not the one who said the Muslims call our country a terrorist nation. The Muslims say that on their own very well.
My question is a fundamental one, and one that may help us to understand their way of thinking: How do they define terrorism?
VP, I am an American citizen, not a Britisth citizen.
One last note before I close shop-there is an inherent difficulty in researching all aspects of this issue via the web or other means. The US Gov't may be monitoring activity at selected sites. If this is the case, then we will need to proceed carefully through our researches. We don't want anyone profiled as a potential sympathizer of terrorism, do we?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
quote:I am not the one who said the Muslims call our country a terrorist nation. The Muslims say that on their own very well.
Right. . .
quote:My question is a fundamental one, and one that may help us to understand their way of thinking: How do they define terrorism?
But that's not what you said the first time. Your whole question was obviously aimed from the "how dare THEY call us terrorists?" perspective.
quote:VP, I am an American citizen, not a Britisth citizen.
Good for you. Have a half-holiday. No doubt your confusion stems from the IRA comment. Now, let me repeat in a way you can comprehend. There are certain people in the United States who think the IRA are freedom fighters and the British Government the terrorists. See the difference? If such a mindset can exist within your own borders (the borders of your nation, that is - please don't say "Borders? But I work at Target"), why should you find the Palestinian opinion so strange?
I know you're not a Brit, Colin - if you were, your name would be SafewayEmployee. Sorry, safewayemployee. 8)
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
[ March 28, 2002, 20:24: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
Posted by U//Magnus (Member # 239) on :
"There are certain people in the United States who think the IRA are freedom fighters and the British Government the terrorists."
But most of those paddies are in Boston, and they don't really count.
Actually, I was just surprised to read this because quite a few people feel this way in Saskatchewan. Hm. We have Safeway(s) here, too. I smell something.
"The US Gov't may be monitoring activity at selected sites. If this is the case, then we will need to proceed carefully through our researches. We don't want anyone profiled as a potential sympathizer of terrorism, do we?"
These are some of the sites being monitored by the Echelon system operated by the NSA at Area 51. Do not visit these sites, or Gene Hackman mightn't be able to save your ass, and the NSA's green and blue 3D OS might label you as Terrorist Leader. Just some helpful advice.
[ March 28, 2002, 21:49: Message edited by: U//Magnus ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Why don't you provide the quotes to show the Palestinians are capable of different thoughts?"
Personally, I wouldn't even want to validate a bigoted generalization by trying to disprove it.
How about giving me some quotes to prove that employees of Target stores are capable of not being idiots?*
*This is not meant to be a purely ad hominem attack. Simply a way of pointing out the flaw in the above quote, that doubles as an insult. And, of course, it doesn't actually apply to Target employees in general.
[ March 28, 2002, 22:49: Message edited by: TSN ]
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Damnation. You know, that was my first choice, but I thought it was Tesco's you had over there. It's a pity, as the joke works a lot better with tescoemployee. B(
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"I am a person who wants to be a Jew."
Not to sound crazy, but what's stopping you?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Probably the Jews, if they've ever talked to him...
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
quote:"I am a person who wants to be a Jew."
Not to sound crazy, but what's stopping you?
Perhaps a love of ham sandwiches and bacon.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
LOL, Echelon. Supposedly spying on and recording boring American lives since 1970's.
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
Your words say what I have felt for a long time-I am not liked or accepted by the members of this board. Would you care to say anything more?
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
I hate to rain on your parade, TE, but you're hardly the only person to take a beating in the Flameboard. Sure, some people don't like you. Some people don't like me. Some people don't like Omega, or Lee, or Rob, or MIB. Sometimes this dislike comes out in posts (witness my flameoff with Rob in the "nuke thread").
Actually, I don't think anyone likes MIB as much as tolerates him.
I mean, it's not like we're throwing giant parties and inviting everyone but you. I mean, I don't know why you'd want to come, since Siggy is our MC and Tahna and Lee are our exotic dancers (don't look at me, that was Charles' idea ... well, mostly because Jubbes wouldn't do it).
Sorry. Just seemed like you were feeling sorry for yourself, and, well, it's cheesy and a Cher-ism, but *snap out of it!*
I'm just being silly now. I'll leave.
[ March 29, 2002, 21:48: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
My last post is an observation.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Drat. I was hoping to make it a hat-trick of times I've made him storm off in a huff. Now you've blown it. Thanks Jeff.
Fact is, Colin, you're very easy to tease. Yet you've never grown a very thick skin. If I got the hump every time the nerds in the Tech Forum said something nasty about me, I'd never be here at all. But in truth they say nasty things about me because I love teasing them too.
Anyway. You're wanted around here, you're our own Major Barcalow. I mean, you're thirty years old, you live with your mother and you work in a suypermarket, for Christ's sake. Some people giving you a gentle ribbing over the internet shouldn't bother you, and if it does - if you regard this place as a sanctuary from your life - then I strongly suggest you do some serious soul-searching. And get out there and make a life for yourself. I did, so anyone can. 8)
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
Perhaps. However, I am attempting changes in my profile. This is due partly in response to recent events.
I feel that repeated jokes, as some like to call them, about my job and my thinking ability have slowly changed into abusive banter. One or two times is okay. More than one or two times is not okay.
Okay, I didn't say things as well as others on this board. I agree that my way of speaking is not as fluidic when compared to some on this board. I am endeavoring to work on this issue.
As for other issues raised here, I am not alone in living with my mother at the age of 30. There are others like me in this country. I work in a discount store, not a supermarket. This is a rather large distinction. A supermarket sells mostly food, with a lesser number of shelves devoted to non-food items. A discount store is the opposite of a supermarket.
Posted by Malnurtured Snayer (Member # 411) on :
Well, actually, I am curious about that bleachy smell in every Target store I've ever been in. But, seriously, do you think I *LIKE* being known as a "deer killer"? You're hardly alone in the "teased" department, but I think a big difference is that I recognize that a lot of it is just friendly ribbing.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
The way in which you present and express yourself, TE, is how people form their opinions of you. They haven't got anything else to go by.
How you've filled out your profile or how well you grasp the english language is irrelevant. You feel you're taking an excessive amount of flak... I hate to say it, but you bring that on yourself -- impressions of your character come from what you post and how you post.
One more thing. All of us get picked at once in a while. If there's one thing I've learned during my three year stay, it's that jokes --never personal insults-- are made regardless of background. You really need to grow a thicker skin (a sense of humor would be nice too)... because I can't imagine how you manage to go through life if you take everything as seriously as you at Flare.
[ March 30, 2002, 08:31: Message edited by: Cartman ]
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"Well, actually, I am curious about that bleachy smell in every Target store I've ever been in. But, seriously, do you think I *LIKE* being known as a "deer killer"?"
On the same note, do you think Simon LIKES being teased over his enormous multiple woman penetrating member? Do you think I like being teased over being funny, gorgeous, sexy, rich, and gorgeous again?
"As for other issues raised here, I am not alone in living with my mother at the age of 30. There are others like me in this country. I work in a discount store, not a supermarket. This is a rather large distinction. A supermarket sells mostly food, with a lesser number of shelves devoted to non-food items. A discount store is the opposite of a supermarket."
Not to tease you here Mr Clavin, but wouldn't the opposite of a supermarket be a restaurant? Or possibly a charity store (where you hand over goods and receive money in return)?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
At least your name hasn't yet been incorporated into a common word for obsessive behavior...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
And I wonder how that happened, hmm? Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
Man, I don't get why Palestinians want Jerusalem so bad, as far as I can tell, it ain't even one of the Holy Cities.
Aren't the Holy Cities Makkah and Madinah, but not Jerusalem?
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
Cities holy to Muslims:
Mecca-Kabbalah Medina-?* Jerusalem-Dome of the Rock**
*I don't know the reason for Medina's importance. **Connections to Abraham and his role to Muslims
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
*rolls eyes at BE's ignorance*
...y'know, that big gold dome thing you see in pictures of Jerusalem? That thing. That's sacred to Muslims.
...But it's also kinda beside the point, really. East Jerusalem is mainly inhabited by Palestineans. They'd want to be part of a Palestinean state.
And, let's be blunt here. The West Bank is hardly the nicest piece of Real Estate in the World - It's basically desert or scrubland with water problems and little or no natural resources. There are ranches in Texas that are bigger and worth more. The only people on the planet who actually seem willing to live there are the Palestineans. (There're also several thousand Israelis, generally belonging to poverty-striken Orthodox Jewish families, who after having their heads filled with religious mumbo-jumbo about how God wishes them to live in the land of the Hebrews, have been handed government-subsidized housing in West Bank settlements and are being used as human boundary demarcators to fence in the Palestineans. But I digress.) If there's ever to be peace in the Middle East, the Palestineans need to be able to have a state and develop something of an economy in it so they can at least feed and house themselves. Without East Jerusalem, that's going to be next to impossible.
[ March 30, 2002, 23:52: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Isn't Medina where Muhammad started his journey? Or ended it? One of those, I think...
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Isn't Medina where Muhammad started his journey? Or ended it? One of those, I think...
Yeah, it's where he and his followers went after being forced out of Mecca, and where he first began to convert large numbers of people.
Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
"Medina" and "Mecca" are not the correct spelling.
And I checked, Holy Cities only consisted of the two cities that I mentioned before.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, Madinah does more to capture the sound then Medina, but so what?
Jerusalem is most certainly holy to Muslims, for essentially the same reasons it is holy to Christians and Jews.
If western monotheism was a blockbuster film trilogy, we'd have Judaism, Judaism II: The Messiah Project, and Judaism III: Return of Abraham. Christians, at least mainstream Christians, believe everything the Jews believed* except the parts about there not being a messiah yet. Muslims believe everything Jews and Christians believed* except for Jesus being God.
So of course Jerusalem is holy to Muslims. God lived there for a time, after all, in a manner of speaking.
*: When I say believed, I mean to draw a line between Judaism and Christianity and Islam as they existed then and as they exist now. After two thousand years of separation, the three religions have far less in common now than they did then.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"'Medina' and 'Mecca' are not the correct spelling."
Well, excuse me for not having Arabic letters on my keyboard.
Anyway, they're the correct English spellings. I mean, if someone referred to Munich, capital of Bavaria, would you tell them they have to say "München, capital of Bayern"?
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
And for his next trick, BlueElectron will tell us how to spell the name of the leader of Libya.
Posted by U//Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Whilst making the coherence.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
quote:Originally posted by The_Tom: And for his next trick, BlueElectron will tell us how to spell the name of the leader of Libya.
Libya has a leader?
(just joking)
All this talk of the Mideast. it's all rather confusing, I wonder if half the pople there know why they're fighting.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Because they're really, really mad.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Mad angry or mad crazy?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'd say the former, though it is of course comforting to believe that war is a result of mental illness.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlueElectron: "Medina" and "Mecca" are not the correct spelling.
Surprisingly enoughh these are modified to use the roman alphabet. Anyway, the alternative to Mecca is Makkah and I'd rather not bring Sir Paul into this... Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
No, because he'd start blabbering on and on about how meet eaters are the same as Nazis, and then we'd never get any peace.
(And the scary part of that sentence is that I didn't need to exagerate it.)
Posted by Malnurtured Snayer (Member # 411) on :
I know of NO-ONE who eats "meet."
"Yes, we'll be rendezvousing at Elm and Oak." "Ooooh, I'll bring the beer." "...?"
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
That's bear.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
If you're eating wildebeest are you eating "meet"?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Or tastybeest reefers, for that matter?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
That was intentional, because Paul is, frankly, an idiot. He would spell things wrong in his speech.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
^quite right.
Anyway, from Snay I'd expect it to be deer... Posted by Malnurtured Snayer (Member # 411) on :
... where's my blunt object when I need it? Come here, Wraith ...
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Runs, screaming, for the hills. Realises he lives in Lincolnshire. There are no hills. Bugger.
Sorry, couldn't resist. Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Mm. . . Lincolnshire sausages. . .
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
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