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Yeah Snay, I'm aware of the misfiring synapses going on there.
I'm just not sure that a thread dedicated to at least 15 people getting blow apart and the violence in the region escalating more and more has much room for humor.
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Eventually the terrorists will build bigger car bombs, and the Israelis will shoot more Palestinian, until the terrorists build car bombs so big and the Israelis shoot so many Palestinians that they destroy the(ir) world.
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Our family did some research on the Palestinians.
Two points which I remember- 1. Jerusalem is of strategic importance to the Palestine state and is holy to Christians and Muslims. Do you see a religious group missing? This tidbit is from their National Affairs Department, based in Gaza City and Ramallah. 2. For the militants, they are fighting a war for the liberation of Palestine. If they lose, a piece of Islam will be lost. This is the thinkning of HAMAS and is reported in a report published by a counter-terrorist agency.
I am not surprised that Americans are viewed as terrorists. A recent poll in Lebanon showed that greater than a 2/3 majority believe this of our country.
Of course, this raises a question. How do Muslims and, especially Palestinians define terrorism to be? If they view their actions as liberation, and we view these same actions as terrorism, don't we have a major disconity in interpretation and understanding?
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How would YOU know what Palestinians think? You're a wannabe Israeli for fuck's sake. And don't start whinging on about how dare a Muslim can call anyone else terrorists, there are plenty of people in the country you currently belong to who think the IRA are freedom fightrers and the British Government the terrorists. It's a common dichotomy, and attempting to label all Palestinians as hypocrites because of it is patently absurd.
As for your two points, why don't you provide the full text of each and we'll decide from there. You can't deduce anything of Palestinian motives from the fact that they neglected to list Judaism as a religion that holds Jerusalem to be a sacred place; most people know it is, a slight omission like that isn't going to do the National Affairs department any favours.
And as for point 2, well, so what? Many Israelis believe they are fighting for the preservation of the state of Israel; if they lose, a significant part of their religion and culture will be lost. It's a no-brainer.
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No one can brand all members of a particular race as having one mindset. The Isralis and Palestinians are caught in a vicious circle; after so long most people in power are not willing to even listen to the other side's point of view. Both side's reactions are severly flawed, neither is willing to compromise, ultimately one side or the other will have to win. If it is Israel then I believe fighting in the area will escalate as other Arab nations decide to help their 'people'. Israel will probably be left to hang by the West, America cannot be seen to be involved in a religious war, or at least what is percieved as a religious war. It is all a matter of perspective as to who is 'right' and who is 'wrong'.
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If you disagree with my 'context', why don't you do the research? Why don't you provide the quotes to show the Palestinians are capable of different thoughts?
I am a person who wants to be a Jew. Yes, Judaism and Israel are interconnected. However, I have no desire to live in Israel. The place is unsafe. I would rather live in a safer place, say Australia or New Zealand. The last I heard, neither of these countries had a bomb explode in a hotel dinery or at a street cafe or on a bus.
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I am not the one who said the Muslims call our country a terrorist nation. The Muslims say that on their own very well.
My question is a fundamental one, and one that may help us to understand their way of thinking: How do they define terrorism?
VP, I am an American citizen, not a Britisth citizen.
One last note before I close shop-there is an inherent difficulty in researching all aspects of this issue via the web or other means. The US Gov't may be monitoring activity at selected sites. If this is the case, then we will need to proceed carefully through our researches. We don't want anyone profiled as a potential sympathizer of terrorism, do we?
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