Can anyone do some screencaps for me? I'm looking for ones of the alien diplomats from TMP and the Federation Council Chambers in TVH. I am specifically looking for the presence of Tellarites, but am very interested in the other races seen, including the obscure ones portrayed in The Art of Star Trek. I was never able to spot the Andorians or Betelguese-ians in TMP, and I've had my doubts about whether or not they actually appeared in the final film, but I'd appreciate it if someone with a good DVD or VHS copy would take a crack at it. Thanks.
Are these the guys who were responsible for all those alien abductions during Earths history??? Or maybe these guys are at least related to the Greys. The Greys and these guys looks similar. Hmmmmmmm. I think the Federation needs to investigate this!
[ October 26, 2001: Message edited by: MIB ]
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Thanks Spikey! Much appreciated. Okay I can match a name to the following:
1. Humans (duh!) 2. Vulcans 3. Andorians 4. Tellarites 5. Deltans 6. Caitians (Possibly. I believe this was the name of the species to which Lt. M'Ress from TAS belonged. I think I read somewhere that the makeup guys on TVH said they patterned the furry cat-like aliens after M'Ress, so thaese could be Caitians.)
Okay, who'll take a crack at TMP for me? (Actually, I'm really starting to doubt that all those aliens from TAoST were actually in the final film. I know the ones in SF uniform were in the rec-deck scene, but the Andorian, Betelguese, and Rigellian ambassadors may have had their scenes cut, as I just can't think where they'd be in the film. Maybe at kirk's arrival in San Francisco?)
Anyway, thanks again for a job well done, Spikey!
-MMoM
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I think most of the TMP aliens were actually in the airtram scenes.
And there are some more names I can give you: Tvh_003: The middle two guys, with the rectangular masks, are Xelatians Tvh_006: That alien is an Arkenite. Tvh_007: My personal theory is that the two bald men are Deltans. Notice how their 'crowns' have suddenly become necklaces . Thv_011: Notice the Asian man and the weird fellow up front. Could be civillian humans, but could also be aliens. Do they resemble any races (clothing, looks) from TOS or TAS? Tvh_012: Another human-lookalike. Tvh_13: These friendly little aliens are possibly Zaranites (from TMP and TFF), as they wear the same breathing masks, but OTOH their heads are nowhere near as large. I conjecture that they *are* Zaranites, but from another sex/subrace. Tvh_15: These 'porcelain dolls' are also known as Arcadians.
And now I'll shamelessly refer to my Federation members pages, with 105 possible members of the UFP.
BTW, I think that the Tellarites have been altered in the TVH chamber/court room scenes...
They are short and hairy, but they don't have pig snouts they have more Michael Jackson-like noses.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
BTW, I've ALWAYS loved this Alien - very intruiging. I remember the description on the back of the Star Trek Masterpiece collector cards referring to this Ambassador alien was very cute/funny - something about the artist being captivated with her beauty the first time he saw her! ;o)
VERY intruiging alien though.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I reckon these "Bravo" guys with the bald heads are either Deltans (I think this more) or possibly those Roman people from "Bread and Circuses" which I doubt cause they were still in their '20th century'.
That is Grace Lee Whitney aka Rand isn't it with the 'afro' who is clapping at the outcome of the 'trial'.
And those 'Vulcans' on the right - I don't believe they ARE Vulcans... I believe that they are the ROMULAN Ambassadors,
1. Sarek is the Vulcan Ambassador 2. We see a similarly eye-shadow embossed Romulan Ambassador next movie (sans the robe). 3. They nod in agreement with the Klingons about Kirk's actions. 4. They look nasty ;o) 5. If I could get a clearer picture of the 'symbol' that is on their 'foreheads' - I believe it may match a symbol on a Bird Of Prey model - that I believe was from before they changed the fact that it was Klingon - it has a peculiar symbol on it - that looks like it might have been a possible Movie version of the Romulan symbol - not the bird clutching twin homeworlds we see now (which was done at the time of TNG) but a red and yellow oblong shape with a red circle. I'll have to dig up that pic - but the symbol on the Romulan lady's forehead looks similar - except it is in grey and it is hard to see.
THERE! THERE! In front of the Andorian on the right of the picture... that's is a Tellarite.
OK another view on the Romulan situation - they MIGHT indeed be a Romulan continent - seeing as Sarek is sitting in front of them in the 'sentencing' scenes.
Could that 'asian guy' be a Comm from that Yang and Comm episode of TOS... I really haven't seen it properly. Did/could they have interstellar spaceflight?
This'd be a great pic for a capcom:
The Gay Romulan ambassador was warned against "Fratenizing with humans" *look at the hands*
The Human man tries to deny his feelings by trying to start up a conversation with a porcelinesque humanoid!
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Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
for whatever reason, hypermart isnt letting those pictures be clickable, im getting a forbidden error. its locked so you have to browse the directory itself to see them.
The 'asian looking guys' you described always looked more native american to me.. i assumed they were from Dorvan-like Amerindian planets that would become the issue of the Maquis era.
Um.. why are the Romulans wearing Vulcan robes then?
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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Harry, where are all those names you dropped from? A sourcebook or other non-canon publication? Or were they stated by the makeup people in an interview or something? I've never heard them before.
Oh, and I've found the Betegueseans and the Megrite in the TMP air tram station scene. Haven't spotted the Andorians or Rigellians yet, though.
The Tellerites in TVH have a slightly 'updated' look compared w/ TOS, but they DO still have the pig-noses.
Did we ever see a Tellarite in modern Trek? The Encyclopedia says there was one in "Apocalypse Rising" (DS9), but was he just mentioned or actually seen?
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Just mentioned.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Remember there is the Rec Deck scenes in ST:TMP lots of aliens there.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
These names are from RPG's, make-up and costume departments, although I mostly got the names from webpages and newsgroup/bb discussions.
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
There is definitely an Andorian in the rec deck scenes. There are three fairly good glimpses of him. The first is right at the beginning, just after the first viewer shot of the Klingon ship being destroyed. In the first crowd scene, he's on the far right edge of the screen.
The second is during Branch's transmission; he's closer to the center of the screen.
The third is right after Kirk tells Uhura "Viewer off," for the second time. In that one, the Andorian is almost dead center of the crowd. Sorry I can't do screen caps, but hope this helps.
BTW, that's on the pan-and-scan videotape version.
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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Hey, what about this pic from TAoST? Is this guy a Tellarite? (from the Rura Penthe penal colony in TUC.)
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
According to the ST:The Experience Museum in Las Vegas he isn't a Tellarite but I forgot the name of his species.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Ahhhhh, but who writes those things. I think he is a "Star Trek VI" version of the Tellarites. Hairy, piggish snout (bit Michael Jacksonish/Julia Robertsish) plus sort of sunken eyes.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
The ears bother me though
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
*bites tongue and doesn't make tasteless leprosy joke*
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I doubt he is a Tellarite. This large guy was in the Khitomer meeting scenes, sitting in between the Romulan delegation. I assumed he was some kind of personal servant � la Maihar'du.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
A servant to the Romulans, eh? A Reman, perhaps? Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:This large guy was in the Khitomer meeting scenes, sitting in between the Romulan delegation.
According to the script it was the Vulcan delegation. The IDIC symbol on the wall behind the delegation supports this.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
They are Vulcans? Then this guy could after all be a Tellarite, albeit a big bad pointy-eared one. (Half-Vulcan, half-Tellarite? Eeeww)
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Yes, I've rewatched the film and I think he is supposed to be a Tellarite. He seems to be wearing similar robes to the ones from TVH.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I think Tellarite, chewed ear or no chewed ear. Every film each new make-up artist puts his spin on aliens except for the Vulcans really... (this was until Westmore tookover for the TNG movies. Look at the tweaks to the Andorians and the Klingons! That is an intruging concept though, a Vulcan/Tellarite - his eyebrows look a little pointed. It's a wonder we don't get more 'bizarre' combinations of races in Trek.
If an Andorian met up with one of those yellow guys from the Khitomer conference (name!?!) would you get an orion slave girl!?! ;o)
Is red the only colour we haven't seen as an actual skin tone for a Trek race? Ingluatuu from the second season DS9 episode with the female Ferengi and the race from TOS' "The Apple" just had red body paint didn't they?
Andrew
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
I seem to remember a red alien ... but, that could be from 'Star Wars' ...
