Even though it is a little premature, wouldn't it be cool if the next Trek series was about the voyages of the Ambassador class USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C under the command of Capt. Rachel Garrett and her steady crew. For the series finale, they shiow them going to Narendra 3, getting in the fight with the Romulans, going through the temporal anomaly, splice in TNG: Yesterday's Enterprise, show them going back through the anomoly, then getting blasted by the Romulans, with a few escape pods and shuttles escaping, but being picked up by the Romulan ships. Then they switch a few months into the future, showing Federation and Klingon diplomats discussing a peace treaty, and one of the Klingons could say something like "It was a great act of honor for the Enterprise to defend our outpost and be destroyed while trying to save our people." or some thing like that. What do ya'll think?
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
that would be REALLY cool, but it would never happen.
--jacob
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Snowball's chance in hell of that happening. They should make it a cartoon or something
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
It would never happen because we already know what will happen in the series finale.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
So!?! I think it wouldn't happen cause you can't (so far) trust Berman and Braga to continuity... The old DS9 team should get together and do Trek TV movies...
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
quote: Originally posted by Dat: It would never happen because we already know what will happen in the series finale.
So we all just hallucinated "Phantom Menace"?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
i think we all know this would be a different case than that.
I think the challenge in creating this series finale would be in retelling the events of YE without exactly reshooting them (given that you would probably need new actors and such since TNG guys are 10-15 years older and the bit players have probably evaporated into Hollywood. OK, Lt. Castillo was in Happy Gilmore. But where is he now and do you want to look at him for 7 years trying to pretend he's 20 years younger than he is now?)
An interesting solution to this was achieved in the Early Voyages comic series. It started on the Enterprise under Pike, and introduced his close friend Yeoman Cusack. This was with the continuity fans in mind, because hey knew the Captain's Yeoman died shortly before 'the Cage' .. so they did a couple stories with him, then did the infamous Rigel story and showed how he got killed. Everybody knew that the next issue has to be 'The Cage', and the writers retold 'The Cage', except through the eyes of Yeoman Colt, who had just been assigned to the Enterprise as a replacement. it duplicated her scenes on the bridge and in the cell, but everything else was different because we were following it from her eyes, belowdecks, rather than Pike's eyes in the episode.
So this raises the question.. who would the main characters be, considering that a mojrity of the crew dies before the beginning of Yesterday's Enterprise (including the main bridge crew, who are always the lead characters). it would be poor dramatically if the entire main cast of the show died in the opening scene of the last episode, since the last episode is supposed to be about wrapping up their storylines with one more story about them. Maybe the series would end right before the battle with the Romulans, and then Yesterday's Enterprise could be recommended for viewing, or shown in a different sequence (like without any scenes aboard the E-D because that was only Castillo's and Garret's POV.)
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Although the feasibility of even having a sixth series is an argument in and of itself, suufice it to say that I'd be happy with a prequel series that took place any time between the 23rd century part of ST:Generations, and the demise of the Enterprise-C.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
I think a different format would be interesting. Keep it in the twenty-fourth century, if you must, but change things up. For instance, make it a completely civillian show. A cop drama on an outpost world. A hospital series at a contested colony during the Dominion War. Or do a spy show, with a Starfleet Intelligence infiltrator in the Orion Syndicate. Mission: Impossible in space. What about a show about some Federation Councillors, or a legal show?
To tell you the truth, the oft-discussed Starfleet Academy series would work, if they didn't try to make it into a traditional Star Trek quasi-action show. If the show was really about the characters and their developments and (not neccessarily romantic) relationships, there would be no need for contrivences for adventure.
Maybe it sounds silly to have Star Trek settings behind what amounts to a mainstream show, but it would add a realism to the universe that's never been seen before. Besides, it's not like there could never be action, science, or adventure...
Bottom line is, as much as I like Star Trek, I think the premise is getting stale. Even with as disparate incarnations as Deep Space Nine and Voyager, you're still watching uniformed crew doing their thing. Basically, I'd like to see a non-Star Trek series set in the Star Trek universe.
That, or another starship series. Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
A starship series based on the USS Prometheus is something I'd like to see.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
quote:Originally posted by Michael_T: A starship series based on the USS Prometheus is something I'd like to see.
Bloody fanboy.
I would like to have seen something during TMP era, back when uniforms were uniforms, Klingons were Klingons, and food were cooked not energized into existenz.
Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
What!!! Me, a fanboy? I'm just a starship freak...
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
quote:the TMP era...back when uniforms were uniforms
I believe the word you are looking for is pajamas.
As far as a series 6 is concerned, I say...
Wait at least until Enterprise finishes, if not several years thereafter.
Unless it's an incredibly creative most amazing premise ever, I'd be incredibly reticent about going any further forward into the future than 2400. Clarke's law is foremost in my mind, here, but also keep in mind that there's essentially nothing to suggest that episodes in the 26th century would come out any differently [in terms of plotting and writing; indeed, I think more perfectly Roddenberrian humans might well be unbearable] than they would in the 24th century, so why not just keep fleshing that one out? "Let's have a ship that has trans-spectral armour and slipstream drive so it can travel to other galaxies" might sound good on a fanboy website but it would translate to the airwaves as essentially another inferior TNG retread. Berman and Braga's reasoning for going to the 22nd century rather than further into the future (it was in a magazine somewhere) is possibly the soundest thing they've ever said in an interview. Stop snickering.
Humanity must remain the focus of any Trek series, or it ain't Trek. Sorry, but the voyages of the IKC Kr'ock holds no interest for me and certainly no interest for any other person I know here at school. Barring a miracle, an alien-centric show would be all-but-assuredly commercially unviable.
I'm with Ryan in the need to branch out from "ship on a mission" premises. The Trek universe is still a very cool playground, but as the hours of Trek mount, it's going to only get harder to stay fresh both as far as ideas are concerned and as far a public patience to keep getting more of the same is concerned. That said, it's no simple task to dig out a corner of the Trek universe and make a compelling show out of it that would impress both people with and without all three printings of the Star Trek Encylcopedia. Star Trek-meets-JAG or Star Trek-meets-West Wing might seem nifty to me and the next dozen people to read this thread, but would it seem nifty to 4,999,987 other people every week?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I can't see them doing another series concurrent with Enterprise. It'd be too confusing for people who aren't familiar with the other series. Wouldn't matter what time frame you set it in, you'd still have to jump back and forth between series.
At least with TNG and DS9's, and DS9 and Voyager's overlapping runs, everything was set in the same timeframe. The casual viewer at least knew when they were.
I love Ryan's idea about an alternate premise. I was fond of the Section 31 idea. We'd have a spy show that took place aboard ships, stations, on planets, in uniform and out of uniform (which gets back to the romance angle...ba-dum bing ) ...there would just be a lot of variety and the main characters wouldn't always be the "good guys".
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Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i think that any show that was about more than just standard starfleet would help flesh out the trek universe. however, i think that a section 31 show would be tbe only viable alternative to a ship or station show. section 31 would still be recognizable for the average trek viewer, but would give the series more variety.
--jacob
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
One other idea might be fun, but perhaps not the most original.
Go ahead and push it another two hundred years past TNG... to a time when some presently-unknown force (the Kelvans? Ooh...) has decimated our galaxy and colonized it. All that's left of the races we know are pockets of resistence scattered accross random worlds, sturggling to survive. They could have transwarp or slipstream or whatever, and groovy weapons, but none of the miracle tech lost in the big wipeout. That lets us see into The Future [tm] without getting into the Clarkian difficulties (which are my grounds for not being interested in a post 2380 series).
Of course, that's also just Star Wars without the Force.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
quote:Originally posted by EdipisReks: section 31 would still be recognizable for the average trek viewer
Section 31 was in 3 episodes out of, what, 600 or so? That's like 0.5%. It would be trivially easy for a large portion of the audience to have never heard of the group.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i didn't mean recognizable as "oh yeah, we kow who they are", but instead as "oh, they are like regular starfleet only secret like mission impossible. we get it".
--jacob
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ryan McReynolds: One other idea might be fun, but perhaps not the most original.
Go ahead and push it another two hundred years past TNG... to a time when some presently-unknown force (the Kelvans? Ooh...) has decimated our galaxy and colonized it. All that's left of the races we know are pockets of resistence scattered accross random worlds, sturggling to survive. They could have transwarp or slipstream or whatever, and groovy weapons, but none of the miracle tech lost in the big wipeout. That lets us see into The Future [tm] without getting into the Clarkian difficulties (which are my grounds for not being interested in a post 2380 series).
Of course, that's also just Star Wars without the Force.
*coughAndromedacough*
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
I think its kind of funny that 'Andromeda' was pushed by Majel Barrett as the next 'Star Trek' series, a few years ago. She was turned down, and lo' and behold ...
... it woulda been kind of fun, tho.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Before JAG - I always thought Star Trek: JAG would have been good!
What about Star Trek: Merchantman... we know how it ends...
Star Trek: Maquis?
Star Trek: Whale Probe - 178 episodes of whale song ;o)
Star Trek: Excelsior
Temporal Investigators
Photonics 'r' Us
EMH - the story of the EMH - back-up's journey home...
The Federation Council a la The West Wing
Space Dock 1.
A show with civilians and their own ship
Star Trek: First Contact - following the crew involved in first contact of a civilisation from initial visit, to undercover observations to the planet's first steps into outerspace.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Why does everyone like Section 31 so much? .. they are assholes.. if i wanted to see ultra-conservative, conspiratorial murderers running governments behind the scenes, I'd watch the news.
I'd like to think we'd move beyond that bullshit by the time of Roddenberry's perfect worlds. Even the Section 31 novels, which were pretty good stories, were impossibly depressing.
What about Star Trek: Assignment Earth. Either do it a period show taking place in the 60s-70s-80s with new actors to play Roberta Lincoln, Gary Seven (and Noon Singh! heheheh).. or have it take place now with Robert Lansing and Teri Garr reprising their roles and training new younger secret agents!
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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Truly an amazing feat, especially if they can animate Lansing's 8-years-dead corpse. I'm sure the makeup budget alone to make him even barely passable would be prohibitive. He might stink a bit, too
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I believe they were planning a series called "Assignment:Earth" in the '60's but it never took off.
We've only seen a small portion of Section 31 and only seen them from one perspective. It could actually be a very interesting premise.
I was voting for either an Excelsior series or an Enterprise-B series instead of Enterprise.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:What about Star Trek: Assignment Earth. Either do it a period show taking place in the 60s-70s-80s with new actors to play Roberta Lincoln, Gary Seven (and Noon Singh! heheheh).. or have it take place now with Robert Lansing and Teri Garr reprising their roles and training new younger secret agents!
You know, "Assignment: Earth" was originally pitched as a spin-off to 'Star Trek.' I sound like a bad record.
Andrew, I like your idea about the first contact series. Have to be a different name, tho ... a TNG episode, a TNG movie, and a new series all with the same name?! Aiy!
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I would have known about Lansing except that I'm afraid to go to IMDB now that it opens exactly 3 popups every page you visit on that site.
I assumed he was still alive because i just saw him in an episode of Simon & Simon the other day.. (gotta stop smoking weed long enough to realize that Simon & Simon wasnt recently produced)..
oh well.. new actors then.. i still think that Assignment Earth wouldve been a great series.. it would have diversified the Trek universe a lot (kept it on TV during the 70s.. introduced crossovers and followups and what have you and maybe been a vehicle to make Phase II more viable)
And if youve read The Eugenics Wars you know about all the zany adventures that Seven and Roberta had.. they uncovered the Stepford Wives, fought Devidians, used Guinan as an informant, and were there for all the events leading up to the hush hush Eugenics wars. Crazy!
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