quote:"As a writer my big coup was being able to go to [producer] Rick [Berman] and say 'I know who the villains are'" explains Logan. "And he says 'Who?' and I said 'The Remans'. And he says 'Who ?!'. And I say 'The Romulans and the Remans. It's the bird of prey with the two planets. Romulus and Remus. We've never seen Remus. We don't know about Remus. Let's use Remus'. And of course he loved that idea once he knew what it was. I'm really proud of the fact that I was able to go into the TREK empire and add part of it."
Berman had never heard of "Romulus and Remus/"Romulus & RemII"/"The Twin Homeworlds of the Romulan Empire"? Hey Berman, open the encyclopaedia once in a while and flip through it. It saves you having to watch any pesky episodes.
Yes I know that Remus/RemII isn't a very widely known 'thing'.
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
Wasn't that Romii?
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Yes, Romii, or sometimes Remus
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
To me it sounds, that Berman hadn't heard that Remus is inhabitated by Remans and not by Romulans. And since Logan came up with this, it's not surprising.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Berman had never heard of "Romulus and Remus/"Romulus & RemII"/"The Twin Homeworlds of the Romulan Empire"? Hey Berman, open the encyclopaedia once in a while and flip through it. It saves you having to watch any pesky episodes.
Yes I know that Remus/RemII isn't a very widely known 'thing'.
No. Partly because there's no such place as "RemII". If you're going to criticise him for not knowing about it, at least get the name of the planet right.
And why are you shocked anyway? I doubt 99% of fans have any idea of what Remus is. It's been mentioned, oh, let's count, once. In one line. And never mentioned again. And the brief display showed a planet with a different name anyway.
Looking in the Encyclopedia, Remus gets one sentence. One. For pete's sake, "resonance tissue scan" gets more than that. Do you expect Berman to know that that was a diagnostic test used by Dr Crusher once?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Red Admiral: Yes, Romii, or sometimes Remus
No, not sometimes Remus. Once Remus, and once on a display "Romii".
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Umm, and we have no proof that "Remus" and "Romii" were supposed to refer to the same thing.
The thing to remember here is that, while the canon mentions of "Remus" are limited to that single line in that single episode, the existence of Remus is a widely known fact in "Trek circles". So widely known, in fact, that the planet featured in the symbol designed for the Romulans of TNG. Not by some fanfic geeks, not even by Trek novelists (who are the ones who made Remus known), but by the actual Paramount-employed TNG artist.
I can hardly blame Berman for not knowing of Remus, but I cannot say Logan invented it or "Remans", either. Both Remus and its inhabitants have been ruminated about by plenty of Trek novelists and fans, since the mists of time.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I wouldn't go so far as to say "widley known". There are plenty of Trek fans who have never touched a novel. Which is probably a good thing. I'd bet that a good portion of them have never heard of Remus.
And besides (as you do kinda imply Timo), Berman shouldn't be expected to know what current and past trek devices have been run into the ground by Trek novelists. Nor should be really be expected to know every piece of graphical imagery thought up over the past 14 years.
I can see how it would be nice if he knew this stuff. But on the other hand, it does mean that there's also a greater chance of getting casual fans to watch. I'm sure that Remus will be explained in the film quite a bit anyway, rather than just assuming that the viewers know what it is.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I admit that I'm a bit more well versed in the details of the Trek background, but I always figured that the "Twin Worlds of Romulus and Remus" were pretty well known... especially because Roddenberry (or whoever wrote "Balance of Terror") ripped the name directly from the ancient Roman myths about the two brothers who founded the city of Rome.
And although Berman is really a businessman, not primarily a writer, I can sort of understand his confusion. But at the same time, the fact that the man who controls the "Star Trek" franchise was blindsided by this kind of fact is amusing to me.
Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :
As befuddling as Ed Snider's obvious lack of knowledge of John LeClair's shifts per game, I'm sure.
Posted by Red Ultra Mega Psy Snay God Shinzon (Member # 16) on :
Given that the show has had Tellarites Talarians Telurians and Tellarians,
and that 'Remans' had never been mentioned in on screen (even the non-canon books don't really mention "Remans," just "Romulans on Remus")Trek before,
that anyone not having an anti-Berman masturbatory fantasy fetish should be able to empathize with a momentary confusion over who Logan was talking about.
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
quote:an anti-Berman masturbatory fantasy fetish
That is just sick on so many levels.
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Tellurians. Tellarians are either Teldarians or Tellarites. Simple, no?
[ July 29, 2002, 13:44: Message edited by: Colorful Cartman ]
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote: Yes I know that Remus/RemII isn't a very widely known 'thing'.
Did anyone read that bit I typed?
But as Minutiae Man mentioned... it's in the fekking Romulan logo for "Pete's" sake.
Oh and (I guess) OOPS on the Remii/RomII thing... I was tossing up whether to type Romii or RomII (cause Romii looks sorta weird, and RomII could be taken as Rom "2")
Andrew
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The Romulan logo shows a bird holding two large balls. It doesn't have a little lable underneath saying "this is Romulas, and this is Remus".
It really is a tiny thing. Tiny. I can understand some "Why doesn't Berman know this" comments, but this is just reaching way too far.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Oh Pooh to you Liam!
BERMAN LOVER!!
Actually Braga-lover would be worse... actually VOYAGER-->Braga-lover would be even MORE worse
I wonder if Rick Berman has a copy of the Encyclopaedia on his desk?
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
But this isn't about not knowing about Remus. It's about not knowing that Remus is inhabitated by Remans. Im sure almost everyone assumed that Remus is inhabitated by Romulans too.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Yeah, that's true. I always assumed that there was no native species other than the Romulans on the twin worlds. So I guess when thinking directly about "Remans" -- I would've gone "who?"
But at the same time, once Logan mentioned the planets Romulus and Remus, that would've cinched it for me. Obviously, NO ONE had heard of the Remans before Logan.
Now, I don't expect Mr. Berman to be a walking edition of the "Star Trek Encyclopedia." I'm just saying that it's amusing that I know more about the franchise than he does. Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Well, maybe, but his job doesn't actually involve knowing about the minute details of the Star Trek universe. I'd bet that he doesn't know the Defiant's registry, or Sisko's middle name either. On the other hand, I bet no-one here has any idea how to run a muti-million dollar franchise business.
Personally, I've never given the planet Remus much thought. Or indeed, any thought. It's had no impact at all on the Star Trek universe (until now), in any way, shape or form.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:But at the same time, once Logan mentioned the planets Romulus and Remus, that would've cinched it for me.
Exactly. And maybe Berman knew about Logan was talking when he mentioned Romulus and Remus.
Remember that the dialogue was:
Logan: The Remans. Berman: Who? Logan: The Remans. Berman: Who?
And not:
Logan: The Remans? Berman: Who? Logan: Romulus and Remus? Berman: What?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: I was tossing up whether to type Romii or RomII (cause Romii looks sorta weird, and RomII could be taken as Rom "2")
I though that's what it was SUPPOSED to be "taken as."
Romii=Romulus II=Remus. Right?
-MMoM Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
Please tell me you're joking...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, it's a bit out there, but I don't think it's totally unreasonable, especially as a retcon. The original display just listed "ROM" and "ROMII" as I recall. At least, I don't think Romulus was spelled out. I do know it was all in capitals.
Posted by Prismatic EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i also thought it was ROM"II" as in "ROM 2". and according to my telepathay, so did Mike Okuda. so STFU.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I suspect I've missed the funny here, but I'll point out that Okuda talks about "Romii" under the encyclopedia entry for Remus.
Posted by Prismatic EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
you missed the fact that it was a joke. not necessarily funny, but it was lacking seriousness.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
The "Balance of Terror" display (as shown in the Encyclopedia-2, p. 417) says "ROMULUS" and "ROMII".
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ryan McReynolds: Please tell me you're joking...
I don't get what you're saying. No, I'm not joking. Remus is the SECOND PLANET IN THE ROMULAN SYSTEM, or Romii for short. What are you talking about?
-MMoM Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
your supposition is giving me a headache.
If that's what it was supposed to mean, maybe they'd have put a space?
this is just an example of the TOS graphics guys not meeting up with the script guys on the twin homeworlds of the empire concept.. miscommunication as to what it was named.. we went with the spoken version over the viewed version, and call it Remus. Write off Remus having a dual name like so many other planets do.
Are we coming up with retarded half-assed explanations as to why Vulcan is also Vulcanis sometimes? Andor and Andoria? Earth and Terra? no..
because its not such a fucking big deal.
but coming up with a far-fetched theory and parceling it out as the gospel truth? thats just annoying...
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, the way I see it, it's highly unlikely that a group of aliens would name their homeworlds after mythological characters from a planet they've never heard of. So, probably, the Romulan word for "Romulus" or "Romulan" sounds pretty close to the English word. That's why Terrans called it "Romulus". Then, since there was a "brother" planet which also started w/ an 'r' sound, it only made sense to refer to it as "Remus", even if the Romulan name for it was actually "Romii".
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
In fandom the Romulans call themselves Rihannsu, if I'm not mistaken.
Hmmm.. I wonder how they knew that the Romulans had two homeworlds. Earth forces could've actually reached the planets in the war, or it's something from the illusive Vulcan Database (don't tell me those sneaky Vulcans DIDN'T know the Romulans really were their lost brethren).
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
One would assume that the sensor tech of the era was good enough for Earth to be able to establish that there were two life-supporting planets in the system from which they traced these mystery aliens as originating from, even over a distance of a couple dozen lightyears or more. I mean, we're within arms-length reach of those kind of capabilities today. Signs of inhabitation like radio emissions and pollutants in the atmosphere would also be relatively easy to spot over such distances.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
It could also be that the Romulan war was triggered by the Earthlings stumbling directly into the Romulan home system. Their last report would have been of the nature "We've established standard orbit over these twin worlds, and despite lack of contact, I'm now beaming down with all my top officers, my leggy yeowoman and my pet parakeet. I expect this to be another risk-free mission, so instead of body armor, I'll wear a casual red shirt."
In any case, the expression "twin homeworlds" used in "BoT" can be interpreted in several ways, and "Nemesis" rules out at least some of those. The homeworlds could be environmentally identical like "twins" - but we'll see they aren't. They could have similar orbital parameters - but they don't. So why are they "twins"?
It seems the old fan interpretation, that the planets co-orbit, might be true after all. That would best justify "twin" over mere "two" in Spock's statement. And the idea that both are "homeworlds" for the Romulans does suggest that Remans are of the same stock as Romulans (or at least that this was believed by Spock et al. in the 2260s), and not a separate native, enslaved species.
Also, I wonder how the final expository dialogue in "Nemesis" will read. Will one of the heroes (guess who?) be a complete cabbagehead who doesn't know who the Remans are, so that Riker has to explain it to her? Or will it be made to sound more as if everybody but the audience already knows who the Remans are? If the former, then we could assume that even Riker only found out barely a few years prior. If the latter, then we might say that even Kirk could have known of the existence of Remans, even if he was fuzzy on the details and ignorant of their actual looks...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
The Nemesis website has some info on the Remans. The Remans have an "altered physical appearance due to living in perpetual darkness on the other side". The 'bright' side I assume is too hot for life. But if these were originally Vulcans, they must've evolved at high speed. The left Vulcan about 2100 years ago, and probably traveled for quite a while, so there would be at most 2000 years of evolution. OTOH, life has to adapt very quickly in such an extreme environment.
The site goes on to tell us that "the only distinction bestowed upon them is that they are formidable warriors and were quite effective during the Dominion War". So perhaps the Romulans used the Remans as frontline soldiers (aka cannon-fodder).
Remus is the Star Empire's main source of dilithium and home to the heavy weapons construction facilities (probably why they could've built the Scimitar).
And now the Remans are revolting.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
It remains to be seen how that website correlates with reality, uh, with the movie. It seems everybody agrees with one thing, though - Remans really are revolting...
If the movie confirms this wording about Remans being "altered", then
a) we can forget about evolutionary speeds - the alteration was probably artificially enforced - and
b) we can safely assume that they were Romulans before this alteration, even if this isn't otherwise clearly stated in the movie. Having them be of any other species simply makes no sense.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
One thing. If they are great warriors, as the site suggests, do they wear sunglasses or something? A species completely adapted to living in darkness would probably burn their eyes out in daylight.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The Men In Black look must be catching.
Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Um, why would the Romulans need dilithium? Their ships aren't powered by a matter/antimatter core. They use an artificial singularity core in the D'Deridex class. Maybe the AS core was something brand new at the start of TNG, and all the Romulan's older ships used M/AM?
Posted by Fedaykin Supastar (Member # 704) on :
u know dukhat...thats wa realy good point about the dilithium...i dont think ANYONE has pointed it out yet.... my apologies to anyone who has..
that's interesting...besides used in A/AM reactions for propulsion, is dilithium used in weapons tech as well??? in the CANON (on-screen only) environment?
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
Dilithium is strange stuff. In TOS, it seemed to be the actual powersource of the ship, while in TNG it was only a part of the M/AM core. There are frequent mentions of dilithium mines, freighters full of 'ore', yet it seems to me that, if each ship only has one crystal in it's core, you don't actually need THAT much of the stuff. So my guess is that it has other uses apart from facilitating the M/AM reaction.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
I remember hearing in some fandom spot once the idea that dilithium had supplanted diamonds as the hardest readily-available substance known to date.
I say "readily-available" because while neutronium's "harder," it's a bit more of a bitch to obtain. ("Element 121: Unobtainium," Simon?)
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: It remains to be seen how that website correlates with reality, uh, with the movie. It seems everybody agrees with one thing, though - Remans really are revolting...
If the movie confirms this wording about Remans being "altered", then
a) we can forget about evolutionary speeds - the alteration was probably artificially enforced - and
b) we can safely assume that they were Romulans before this alteration, even if this isn't otherwise clearly stated in the movie. Having them be of any other species simply makes no sense.
Timo Saloniemi
I don't see how either of your "assumptions" can be assumed from that wording. It doesn't say "altered from Romulans." They're a separate species that were there before the Romulans, whose appearance was created by their environment and whi were enslaved by the Romulans when they came to settle the system.
In reference to "twin homeworlds," I think that never really meant anything more than double or two planets. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're similar or that they co-orbit each other or anything. Just that there are two of them.
And as to dilithium, the Romulans may still require it for some function in their vessels. And, even if they themselves don't, it's a valuable commodity within the galaxy. Considering how vital it is to so many races, they'd do very well to have it as an export.
-MMoM Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:I don't see how either of your "assumptions" can be assumed from that wording. It doesn't say "altered from Romulans." They're a separate species that were there before the Romulans, whose appearance was created by their environment and whi were enslaved by the Romulans when they came to settle the system.
Well, it doesn't say "altered from Romulans," but that doesn't disprove that they were NOT altered from Romulans. As of right now, both assumptions are valid until & unless we learn otherwise when we see the film in six months.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
If the Remans are a separate species, why do they have pointed ears.
If TPTB had not wanted that we draw these conclusions, they would have chosen another makeup for them.
[ August 01, 2002, 16:26: Message edited by: Spike ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
The Mintakans had pointed ears, too.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
This is what I remember from college:
The speed of change in a species (evolution) depends on a number of things, including the rate of mutation and the degree of selective pressure. Mutations arise through errors in DNA replication and damage to DNA through chemicals and radiation. The rate at which these errors occur may be low and stable (through chance mistakes) or may be higher or lower depending on the amount of radiation and mutagenic chemicals in the environment. These mutations are usually neither harmless nor beneficial and have no effect on the survival of the individual (or breeding success). Other mutations do effect survival, but how they affect survival can also depend on the enviroment. Some mutations are immediately fatal, of course, such as one that would cause us to be born without a brain. However, let's say a mutation causes us to grow thick hair all over our bodies rather than just on our heads. If one of us had such a mutation, it might decrease our chances of finding a mate and passing on the gene (unless a prospective mate likes dogs). On the other hand, if an ice age came along, such a mutation would quickly become beneficial by allowing us to survive the cold whether. The would survive to mate, and the gene would be passed on.
So, Remans might evolve from Romulans quickly (100 generations) if selective pressures are strong and if mutations arise at a high rate (through increased environmental radiation or artificial induction).
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, let's quickly dissuade ourselves of the notion that anyone who knows anything about biology has put much thought into anything Trek.
Anyway, I've been avoiding spoilers, and don't know much more about the film than what's in the trailer (what little I've ever been able to see of it.) However, I have a question. Are we to understand that Remus is tidally locked with, uh, the Romulan star?
Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
something else has to be going on with the Romulan genome since they developed huge foreheads and rounder ears somewhere between 'The Undiscovered Country' and 'The Neutral Zone', a scant 69 years later... unless the Reman mutation took the few hundred generations we suppose, and then was additionally introduced into the general Romulan genome to the point where the smooth-headed Romulans became the minority over that span.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Some mutations are immediately fatal, of course, such as one that would cause us to be born without a brain."
Seems to me that this mutation is not only non-fatal, but fairly common...
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Someone could probably come up with a theory involving genetic warfare and the similar Klingon change between TOS and the movies.
I'm pretty sure that no one will ever come up with an adequate "natural" explanation for that rate of change in a couple centuries.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I don't think though that the foreheads on the Romulans are suppossed to be a change. I think it's one of those "The were always there, but we couldn't see it" type things. (The Klingon forehead lended itself to a similar explanation too, expecially with Kathless and Kor & co. "Trials and Tribble-ations" mucked that up though.)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Except that Romulans == Vulcans, and Vulcans have no ridges.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I realize this == business may cut the mustard with Java-freaks, but for those of us just a little bit more classical in our outlooks it just doesn't hold up. Vulcans are not "identical in every way" to Romulans. For one thing, they live on Vulcan, a place where there is nary a Romulan to be found.
Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :
BUT! The reverse is or was not true. Spock lived in a cave on Romulanworld.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I was going to remove my comment, because now I'm all confused vis a vis mathematical notation vs. programming languages. And yet, how could I ruin the conversational flow in such a gross manner?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Syntax error
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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I did wonder why no-one noticed Spock on Romulas. If all Romulans have forehead ridges, why didn't they see that he was a Vulcan?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Clever use of a hood. It worked before.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: I did wonder why no-one noticed Spock on Romulas. If all Romulans have forehead ridges, why didn't they see that he was a Vulcan?
I submit that ridged Vulcans are a minority and non-ridged Romulans are likewise a minority... but both exist, and neither would arouse suspicion.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, within reason. Romulus feels like a place where everything rouses suspicion.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I wonder why he said that.....
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Y'know, that may be an important point. Romulans are apparently very suspicious (in the TNG era, anyway). And we know that Spock is relatively famous (or infamous), dating all the way back to "The Enterprise Incident."
Shouldn't SOMEONE have recognized him? Spock was apparently walking around in public for a week or two, maybe more. And I don't believe that he had the hood on all the time -- like in that initial surveillance image. Shouldn't at least SOME local Romulan security guy/snitch with a "perverse" fascination for things Federation/Vulcan have noticed this guy?
Posted by Prismatic EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
hey, if a Galaxy class starship can be destroyed by a 20 year old BOP, then Spock can walk around unnoticed on Romulus.
Posted by Daryus Aden (Member # 12) on :
Regarding the ridges, the different subsections of humanity have different bone structures. So its no inconcieveable that the Romulans are also racially different from the Vulcans. And thus have a slightly different appearance.
As an extension of this, we know that the Romulans are warlike (and racially prejudiced), and thus may have taken slaves with them on their journey to found a new empire. The Remans themselves may be another race from Vulcan.
The Romulans then dumped the excess population of slaves on Remus. This would give them a 'homeland', whilst keeping a ready supply of labour on hand within the Romulan system. Thus accounting for their subserviance, and their similar appearance.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The only problem is that the assumption has long been that the Vulcan/Romulan split was philosophical and socio-political, and not divided along racial lines.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: The only problem is that the assumption has long been that the Vulcan/Romulan split was philosophical and socio-political, and not divided along racial lines.
Well, it's been a stated fact on numerous occasions in TNG that Romulans are genetically different than Vulcans. In fact, as far back as TOS "The Enterprise Incident," scanners could distinguish between the lifesigns of the two.
-MMoM Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Hooray for (an admittedly scant) 2000 years of genetic drift?
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Well, it's conceivable that the majority of the members of one race could also be the majority of the proponents of a particular philosophy...
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Quite funny that nobody noticed that the guy on the Page 3-screenshot isn't a Reman but a vampire from BtVS.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Depending on the number of proto-Romulans that left Vulcan 2000 years ago, the genetic differences between Romulans and Vulcans in the 24th c could be enormous. Whenever small groups are isolated, interbreed, and establish a population, genes that were at very low frequency in the original population have a much higher frequency and become more "important." (The island effect) If the proto-Romulans were a oppressed minority group that had a slight racial difference from the Vulcan race, the racial difference could become more pronounced through isolation after emigration from Vulcan. Let's say that the original Vulcan population had a range of forehead ridges from completely human smooth to something looking like vulcans but that most people had fairly smooth foreheads. If the proto-Romulan group happened to have a higher number of people with more pronounced ridges (either by chance or by racial differences), the resulting Romulan population would naturally have more pronounced than Vulcans.
Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Hey, the guy on the Page 3-screenshot isn't a Reman but a vampire from BtVS! Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
But he's not broody and handsome and wearing poofy hair gel.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Well, it's hard to distinguis Orcs, Remans and Vampires.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
But that's the Master! Not to be confused with The Master, The Master, or indeed, the Master.
If I was clever, I'd make links to each of those individual masters that I was referring to. But I'm not, so you'll just have to guess.
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this is just an example of the TOS graphics guys not meeting up with the script guys on the twin homeworlds of the empire concept.. miscommunication as to what it was named.. we went with the spoken version over the viewed version, and call it Remus. Write off Remus having a dual name like so many other planets do. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)