quote:"As a writer my big coup was being able to go to [producer] Rick [Berman] and say 'I know who the villains are'" explains Logan. "And he says 'Who?' and I said 'The Remans'. And he says 'Who ?!'. And I say 'The Romulans and the Remans. It's the bird of prey with the two planets. Romulus and Remus. We've never seen Remus. We don't know about Remus. Let's use Remus'. And of course he loved that idea once he knew what it was. I'm really proud of the fact that I was able to go into the TREK empire and add part of it."
Berman had never heard of "Romulus and Remus/"Romulus & RemII"/"The Twin Homeworlds of the Romulan Empire"? Hey Berman, open the encyclopaedia once in a while and flip through it. It saves you having to watch any pesky episodes.
Yes I know that Remus/RemII isn't a very widely known 'thing'.
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To me it sounds, that Berman hadn't heard that Remus is inhabitated by Remans and not by Romulans. And since Logan came up with this, it's not surprising.
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Berman had never heard of "Romulus and Remus/"Romulus & RemII"/"The Twin Homeworlds of the Romulan Empire"? Hey Berman, open the encyclopaedia once in a while and flip through it. It saves you having to watch any pesky episodes.
Yes I know that Remus/RemII isn't a very widely known 'thing'.
No. Partly because there's no such place as "RemII". If you're going to criticise him for not knowing about it, at least get the name of the planet right.
And why are you shocked anyway? I doubt 99% of fans have any idea of what Remus is. It's been mentioned, oh, let's count, once. In one line. And never mentioned again. And the brief display showed a planet with a different name anyway.
Looking in the Encyclopedia, Remus gets one sentence. One. For pete's sake, "resonance tissue scan" gets more than that. Do you expect Berman to know that that was a diagnostic test used by Dr Crusher once?
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quote:Originally posted by The Red Admiral: Yes, Romii, or sometimes Remus
No, not sometimes Remus. Once Remus, and once on a display "Romii".
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Umm, and we have no proof that "Remus" and "Romii" were supposed to refer to the same thing.
The thing to remember here is that, while the canon mentions of "Remus" are limited to that single line in that single episode, the existence of Remus is a widely known fact in "Trek circles". So widely known, in fact, that the planet featured in the symbol designed for the Romulans of TNG. Not by some fanfic geeks, not even by Trek novelists (who are the ones who made Remus known), but by the actual Paramount-employed TNG artist.
I can hardly blame Berman for not knowing of Remus, but I cannot say Logan invented it or "Remans", either. Both Remus and its inhabitants have been ruminated about by plenty of Trek novelists and fans, since the mists of time.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say "widley known". There are plenty of Trek fans who have never touched a novel. Which is probably a good thing. I'd bet that a good portion of them have never heard of Remus.
And besides (as you do kinda imply Timo), Berman shouldn't be expected to know what current and past trek devices have been run into the ground by Trek novelists. Nor should be really be expected to know every piece of graphical imagery thought up over the past 14 years.
I can see how it would be nice if he knew this stuff. But on the other hand, it does mean that there's also a greater chance of getting casual fans to watch. I'm sure that Remus will be explained in the film quite a bit anyway, rather than just assuming that the viewers know what it is.
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I admit that I'm a bit more well versed in the details of the Trek background, but I always figured that the "Twin Worlds of Romulus and Remus" were pretty well known... especially because Roddenberry (or whoever wrote "Balance of Terror") ripped the name directly from the ancient Roman myths about the two brothers who founded the city of Rome.
And although Berman is really a businessman, not primarily a writer, I can sort of understand his confusion. But at the same time, the fact that the man who controls the "Star Trek" franchise was blindsided by this kind of fact is amusing to me.
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Given that the show has had Tellarites Talarians Telurians and Tellarians,
and that 'Remans' had never been mentioned in on screen (even the non-canon books don't really mention "Remans," just "Romulans on Remus")Trek before,
that anyone not having an anti-Berman masturbatory fantasy fetish should be able to empathize with a momentary confusion over who Logan was talking about.
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quote: Yes I know that Remus/RemII isn't a very widely known 'thing'.
Did anyone read that bit I typed?
But as Minutiae Man mentioned... it's in the fekking Romulan logo for "Pete's" sake.
Oh and (I guess) OOPS on the Remii/RomII thing... I was tossing up whether to type Romii or RomII (cause Romii looks sorta weird, and RomII could be taken as Rom "2")
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The Romulan logo shows a bird holding two large balls. It doesn't have a little lable underneath saying "this is Romulas, and this is Remus".
It really is a tiny thing. Tiny. I can understand some "Why doesn't Berman know this" comments, but this is just reaching way too far.
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