You know I was just looking over some of my taped episodes of the lastest season of DS9 and noticed something. The helmets the Breen wear are the exact same helmets Princess Leia wore when she disguised herself as a bounty hunter in ROTJ. So what, is Paramount raiding the LucasFilm sets for props? What next is a Star Destroyer going to start menacing the crew of the Enterprise?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Between this and the "why is the bridge located on top of the saucer" thread, I am currently confused as to what the current year is.
Never the less, they aren't the "exact same helmet". They are similar, but not the same. Not by a long shot.
Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
THEY WERE NOT DIFFERENT!!!! Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Ooh. Isn't that a coincidence.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well all I can say is, I've glad we've never seen under the helmet - cause anything would be a disappointment. Like seeing underneath the Gaim's helmet on B5.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Someone in the DS9 Companion believes they are canine humanoids. Not that they were ever really planning on showing them.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Something more mysterious would have been cool. We have to figure in the fact that 'no one has seen a Breen outside their isolation suit'. why they NEED and isolation suit. Why Kira and Dukat could have stolen suits of two Breen and still not been able to see what they look like. Why the Breen homeworld is presumably a cold place (and what they did with Ferenginar's two poles and several icy moons!!
Here is a wild guess... picture Senator Kelly from the X-Men movie... where he eventually turned to water... now picture a breen isolation suit after it's compromised and the scene in the movie where Senator Kelly eventually... 'collapses'.
Some sort of water-creature!! Presumably at low temperatures they feel more comfortable/are more solid!!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
A "water creature"? I am bearish on this idea.
Personally, I think things can work a bit if we modify what it means to have "seen" a Breen. If their environment is really, really cold, when their suits were removed they may have started to sublimate. So, like, Kira and Odo say what a Breen looked like after it had turned to sticky goo and steam.
Though I would be a bit concerned about putting on a suit recently inhabited by very messy remains.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Hmmm... despite some previous speculation, I think that we can rule out body odor as the reason for the Breens' suits. Because otherwise, both Kira and Dukat would've been incapacitated after removing the helmet. And after her experience in "Indiscretion," I doubt that she would've wanted to try the same trick again in "What You Leave Behind."
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well it doesn't have to be WATER per se, but something as mentioned that vapourises under normal temperatures and/or pressures.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Antifreeze blood! HOORAY! Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Though we have been told that the Breen do not have blood.
Posted by Daryus Aden (Member # 12) on :
Facts, mere facts! You can't let such things get in the way of grand theorising!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well, my 'water theory' holds up under the 'no blood' factoid! Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Except the whole point of blood-testing back in that episode was being able to remove a small chunk of the creature that by not shapeshifting back could be used to establish the creature as being what it appeared to be. (messed up sentences fun to right are). A liquid life form, one assumes, would not suffer those limitations, or if it did (for instance, if the whole liquid was sentient and a bit couldn't be separated) then I imagine Bashir would have described the problem a bit differently.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Confused... blood testing and the Breen!?!
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
"In Purgatory's Shadow/By Inferno's Light". When Bashir, Worf and Garak were all being help prisoner by the Dominion, they took blood samples from their fellow prisoners to ensure that none were shapeshifters. The exception was the one Breen prisoner.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Exactly... wateresque creature - no blood.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Or all blood. And we're pretty watery.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Perhaps they're gasious? Remove the suit and they disperse.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yes, hence my post above:
"Well it doesn't have to be WATER per se, but something as mentioned that vapourises under normal temperatures and/or pressures."
Maybe they corrode rather quickly in any oxygen rich atmosphere.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
This doesn't all jive with Weyoun's line that the Breen homeworld is quite pleasant, meaning (to me at least) that it's Earth-like.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: This doesn't all jive with Weyoun's line that the Breen homeworld is quite pleasant, meaning (to me at least) that it's Earth-like.
Yes, but Weyoun was often full of shit. We know from Dukat's statement in "Return to Grace" that the Cardassians had an embassy on Breen... presumably, the diplomats living there would know that the planet is cold?
As for Weyoun's statement, either he was just trying to mess with Damar's mind, or else his last cloning left a few neurons scrambled. Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
i thought weyoun was just being a mite sado-masochist-sarcastic.. expecially considering all other references to the true nature of the homeworld..
didnt we already have this conversation? too many times?
Weyoun would call a slaughterhouse 'quite pleasant' if he was sending you there.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
The other possibility is that Weyoun was lied to, and was passing along bad information.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Or intentionally doing so. As was my theory at the time. Until it was mercilessly cut off at the knees! Thanks.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Well there is also the matter of Dax and Worf's stay on a Breen ship. They seemed to be quite comfortable temperature-wise and it didn't appear that the Breen that entered the cell had to go through any kind of airlock. Unless that section of the ship was all detention cells...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Consider that the ship was hosting a diplomatic delegation at the time.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Was it? I thought that Dax and Worf were transported onto a Dominion ship...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Clearly they wanted Dax and Worf alive - otherwise they would have killed them on site. Why then put them into quarters/cells that were not very hospitable to their natural living-states? I don't think that would happen.
Breen being quite pleasent, is subjective.
As mentioned:
Weyoun is a bullshite artiste Pleasent compared to what? etc. etc.
I'd take anything Weyoun says with a grain of salt, he was just trying to make Damar feel like an idiot every chance he got.
Besides, maybe Vorta like vastly different conditions, and only suffer being in Federation standard Temps and pressures?
The Cardassians like their atmospheres to be much hotter and humid remember.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Good point about the environment on the ship though. There wasn't any evidence of airlocks, so perhaps the Breen are just very keen on their fridge suits, or really like to be mysterious (they apparently followed Interstellar Imagebuilding Class).
The other reason could be that Weyoun ordered a nice comfortable environment. Probably to show poor Damar that Breen is 'quite pleasant'.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
But Damar didn't go to Breen, it was just hear-say via Weyoun.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
But wasn't Damar also on the ship? Remember him smiling about Weyoun's death?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I'm a bit unsure about the line, but Weyoun wither said that Breen was quite pleasant or quite warm, one or the other.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
You're conflating events, I think. Worf and Dax are picked up by a Breen ship that has the Founder and Weyoun on it, having just signed their treaty. The ship later reaches Cardassia Prime, where everyone gets off, Worf kills Weyoun, and Damar makes his decision to fight back against the Dominion by helping Worf and Dax escape.
I think.
Come to think of it, even with Damar's help it might be a little difficult to get off Cardassia Prime. Hmm.
"Maybe you should talk to Worf again."
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Here's the sequence:
Dax and Worf are stranded on some planet. They get picked up by the Breen. Later, that same Breen ship meets a Dominion ship carrying the Founder, Weyoun, and Damar. After the Breen beam over to the Dominion ship with their "gifts," we never see the inside of the Breen ship again.
quote:Originally posted by Harry: perhaps the Breen are just very keen on their fridge suits
Well, there's one point in favor of the body odor theory...
Seriously, the Breen probably had a special atmosphere-variable section of their ship. Or perhaps all their ships have variable-temperature sections, considering that their own preferences are fairly abnormal. They wouldn't want to kill their prisoners with the cold -- and there's no sense in wandering into an uncomfortable environment that contains potentially dangerous prisoners without protection.
Let's put it this way. If you captured a Breen and locked him in the freezer, would YOU want to go feed him wearing only shorts and a t-shirt? I know I'd be too busy shivering to fight back if he tried to escape... It's simple common sense.
And of course, that's assuming that the only purpose of the suits is for refrigeration.
Posted by NeghVar (Member # 62) on :
Perhaps they were some sort of Romulan sect using the environment suits as a ruse? They wanted Romulus after all?
Later! Art
Posted by Intruder1701 (Member # 880) on :
This is totally off the wall but I have noticed a few more Star Wars creatures winding up in the Trek universe, for example the creature that Q tormented was called "The Calimarain" (Deja Q TNG) and the race in the Delta Quadrant (Persistance of Vision VGR) were called the Bothans. So maybe Princess Leia was posing as a Breen bounty hunter
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Uh, are you suggesting that the Calamarain were a reference to the Mon Calimari (proof that Lucas has an evil sense of humor and enjoys pain)? That's an analogy more stretched than this one: spiders are like birds with notepads.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It's a trap!
Posted by Daryus Aden (Member # 12) on :
The suits could serve multiple purposes beyond refrigeration. Including being body armour and providing air filtration.
As far as what Weyoun said, he seemed to be playing with Damars' mind.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Perhaps the Breen don't evaporate when the suit is breached. Perhaps the suit simply is an empty exoskeleton, and the actual occupant is an AI or a cricket-like critter living in the snout of the helmet.
Perhaps the Breen sneakily attack those who breach their suits, and then begin a parasitic life in the body of the breacher, making him or her do stupid things like fail to kill a career-compromising bastard daughter or a mortal yet momentarily vulnerable enemy.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Yes, and perhaps the suits really are empty remote-controled decoys, and the real Breen is a 13-year old scriptkiddy from a small moon in orbit around Planet X.
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Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
well, the Breen were unintelligible....
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
quote: for example the creature that Q tormented was called "The Calimarain" (Deja Q TNG)
On second thought, you may be right. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It's a tr� ah, screw it...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That explains Akbar's "deep fried" color. Or should I say "golden brown"?
Back to topic.....The Breen rock. That's why I built the (only one I know of)Breen Warship to go with my Dominion fleet. I love that the Universal Translators cannot translate their language. Love their asymectrical ship design. I even like the "never turn you back on a Breen" line.... Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Compared to the glory that is Admiral Ackbar though, they are nothing. NOTHING!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Referring back to something near the beginning of the thread...
"Well all I can say is, I've glad we've never seen under the helmet - cause anything would be a disappointment. Like seeing underneath the Gaim's helmet on B5."
But, we did see a helmetless Gaim in "No Compromise". Unless you're saying you knew that, and thought their appearance was disappointing. If that's the case, I'd disagree. It isn't really the same. The Gaim were never made out to be mysterious. They just couldn't breathe in an Earth-like atmosphere. I'd say the Breen are more like the Vorlons than anything. And we got to see them, too.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
True. Although the mystery of what a Vorlon looked like underneath it's encounter suit was more pivotal to the story of B5 than the Breen's geniune appearence was to DS9.
Posted by Captain-class, Mike-variant (Member # 709) on :
That Ackbar is dying to be a CapCom, judged or not.
nah, maybe not.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
WE NEED MORE CAPCOMS! OF NOTHING!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Although the mystery of what a Vorlon looked like underneath it's encounter suit was more pivotal to the story of B5 than the Breen's geniune appearence was to DS9."
Not really. I mean, we knew that they were First Ones w/o ever seeing them. We had an idea that they were noncorporeal (despite Kosh's having a "hand" in the pilot) from seeing Kosh and pseudoKosh go in and out of Lyta's head. And we knew they could look different depending upon who saw them, given Kosh's saving Sheridan and also the two Vorlons posing as Minbari "angels" for Sinclair-as-Valen. So, really, finding out that they look like giant, brightly-colored, transparent squid-things wasn't necessary.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
They were suckers, them dorky Vorlons! If you could go in and out of Leta, would you really do it mentally?!?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Actually, I think it was a physical transfer. So, they were physically going in and out of her mouth. Which I won't argue with. The eyes, on the other hand, are a little too kinky for my tastes...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Actually, I was more referring to the whole "angels" part. Which, true enough, wasn't what they "actually" looked like, but it was the identity they were hiding only to reveal at a Shock Cliff Hanger moment.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote: But, we did see a helmetless Gaim in "No Compromise". Unless you're saying you knew that, and thought their appearance was disappointing. If that's the case, I'd disagree. It isn't really the same. The Gaim were never made out to be mysterious. They just couldn't breathe in an Earth-like atmosphere. I'd say the Breen are more like the Vorlons than anything. And we got to see them, too.
I'm saying the part about them being dissappointing when we saw them. I think there was more to them just not being able to breath our atmosphere, if that was the case then we would have seen under their helmets/suits i.e. see through helmets. Their bizzare translators gave them an insectoid sound... it was a cool way of being able to do such characters without having to resort to the terribly dodgey N'Grath in the Alien sector from Season 1.
Breen = Vorlons!?! No way... Vorlons wore those suits since they over mellennia had appeared to the various races as characters from their myths/religions. By maintaining the mystique it held power over those races. PLUS we really know they are maid out of energy a la the Kosh I/II battle.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Okay now, that's just wrong. You don't say "a la the". No. Not acceptable. "La" is one of the french words for "the". So, to quote the mayor's nephew: Say it roight!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
*rolls eyes*
sheesh Topher - fuccccckkk!
I'm right, just without the quotation marks.
a la the "Kosh I/II fight" <- correct a la the Kosh I/II fight <- correct without the marks a la Kosh I/II fight <- totally incorrect it'd have to be
a la Kosh I/II fighting - which destroys the intent of the sentence.
Gawd.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I would agree w/ Chris, since "la" does mean "the", except that, in the phrase "à la", it doesn't matter anyway, since it's grammatically incomplete to start with. "À la" == "in the". It's supposed to mean "in the manner of", but the rest of it gets dropped. So, to be really correct, you'd have to say "à la mode de the Kosh I/II fight".
And I wasn't comparing the Breen to the Vorlons. I was comparing the fact that the Breen wear mysterious suits to the fact that the Vorlons wear mysterious suits. It has nothing to do w/ the reason they wear them. It has to do w/ the fact that they are both presented to the viewers in a "What's under the suit? You don't get to know!" manner.
Posted by Eric Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Vous des types avez mani�re trop d'heure sur vos mains.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
C'est juste parce que j'�tudiais le langue pour quelques ans. Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The original use of Babblefish brings much hilarity!
Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
"You of the types have manner too of hour on your hands."
???
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
"You people have too much time on your hands"?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I believe that's what he meant to say, even though he didn't succeed. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well the thing is, the Gaim would have been like the Breen and the Vorlons, then very mysterious - what is under the suit. When we eventually saw what was under the suit... it was like - that sucks. It's better left to the imagination...
Same with the Tholians if they do it - it will never do justice to what people have been imaginging they look for the past 34 years.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
But what ARE Tholians? Is the thing on the viewscreen a Tholian in total? Just a helmet on a larger creature? I have heard that Tholians are crytstaline....but by TNG that seems unlikely. When the Crystaline Entity (christmas tree?) first shows up, everyone comments about how that form of life is so unique and has never been encountered before.....
Mabye the Breen ARE the Tholians! Think about it: change uniforms, screw over your long time enemies and have your race remain neutral. What a good scam that would be! Posted by Magnus de Pym (Member # 239) on :
Once, while young, I saw a comic book that had the Tholians in it. Take the "head" that we were shown, and design the body accordingly. It looked very dumb.
Although. There was a Miranda-Class USS Stockholm, NCC-16544. I think.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It probably squeeked when it walked too! ...like glasses rubbing aganst each other.
Posted by Captain-class, Mike-variant (Member # 709) on :
NCC-18544.. jeez, man! dont mess up something like that. actually.. i dunno, but it was 18 something.
yeah the DC comics versions of them were lame. my favorite would be the Worlds of the Federation depiction, but even that leaves something to be desired.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
I remember the DC comic Magnus is referring to. And he is correct. The Tholians looked incredibly stupid, and acted accordingly. However, a later comic (don't remember the company) showed Loskene again, and the art was very well done in my opinion. It again showed only his head, but this time he was an ebony color, with smoke hovering all around him. It was a nice effect, IMHO.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: but by TNG that seems unlikely. When the Crystaline Entity (christmas tree?) first shows up, everyone comments about how that form of life is so unique and has never been encountered before.....
You mean like how every single time a shapeshifter showed up (Garth, Iman, Wesley's girlfriend, changelings) everyone reacted as if they'd never seen one before.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Exactly.
....talk about a romantic killjoy! ...the run for first base is interrupted when your date suddenly turns into a frellin' monster!!!! Psychotherapy and Viagra for poor Wesley after that little "encounter" for sure! Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I don't have a picture to link to - but I picture the Tholians to have a body somewhat like the EVA pod seen in the TNG tech manual - without the little grappling claws of course - but just the general body shape - sort of hexagonal and tapers down to a (rounded) point probably in a reddish colour... And somehow floats!! I'm guessing silk would comeout of that end part.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Please, no more aliens who have never studied the law of gravity. We had enough with the amazing floating giant "viruses."
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
How would they build ships (or a civilization for that matter) with no appendeges? A bunch of crystal blocks bumping into things to build dwellings is just too stupid to think about for long..... It's got to be some sort of helmet or part of a larger creature. While we're at it: why would a reptile,like the Gorn, have segmented eyes? Their ship design and computer systems would have to be radically different than everyone elses....
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
They don't always have to have appendages... maybe they have developed a form of telekinesis!?!
It's just an image of them I have in my mind... give them arms if you want.
And why can't they float? Maybe they come from a low gravity planet?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The thing about low gravity is, there's still gravity. That's why they call it low gravity. Unless you're going to equip your average Tholian with seriously large wings, or immerse them in liquid, or build them out of mylar and fill them full of helium, they are going to come to rest on the ground.
Unless...
*sigh*
Unless you give them telekinetic powers. But please, no more of that either. Think of the children.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
LOL!
What about a naturally occuring antigravity?
Who knows WHAT they could be - maybe they could be suspended in a liquid... explaining the strange image on the viewscreen.
Or... or an encounter suit.
Either way - I think the hexagonal/polygonal body structure suits them.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
If they are about two inches tall, then gravity and hovering won't present that much of a problem.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"What about a naturally occuring antigravity?"
Their planet would have no atmosphere. And everything on it would fly off into space. Including the bits of the planet itself.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Not the whole planet - just the species that is the Tholians... I mean there are organisms out there with bizarre enough things...
And there would be nothing wrong with the 'live in a liquid idea'.
Actually species with a giant shell is something Westmore hasn't tackled yet!!
Does anyone think that more saurian-derived species should be seen in Trek?
Selay, Gorn, Voth, Saurians (Those piss-head brandy makers! )
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Not...the..Voth! I thought I'd seen the dumbest idea possible with the old "Dinosaucers" cartoon (intended for children)...but the Voth was waaay worse. Just chuck the fossil record out an airlock...after all the viewers can't possibly have a grasp of rudimentary science, can they? I'd rather see the triumphant return of "floating Abe Lincon in space" before the frellin' Voth!
I would like to see the Gorn come back: mabye a little more limber this time, but please not flat looking CGI monsters like Species 8472!
I personally think that Tholians are all those lost glass marbles that kids supposedly played with when our grandparents were young. ...how many marbles have any of you actually seen? Think about it.
And yes, telekinesis is a terrible idea. ..and no one ever said that "Tholian silk" comes from a Tholian. That would be kind of disgusting (like us exporting our fecees to them). Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
A lot of people think that "Distant Origins" (the episode with the Voth) was perhaps one of the best Voyager episodes made. I agree with them.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The existence of an intelligent "dinosaurian" species predating us by a hundred millions years or so is unlikely, but it is far from impossible. Fossils are hard to make. There could be whole hosts of interesting organisms who lived in habitats simply not conducive to the production of fossils.
Of course, in practice, there would be evidence of anything like us existing in the past. Cities, for instance. Oh, not ruins, to be sure. Any visual trace will have long since been ground to dust, and possibly even sunk underneath the surface of the planet thanks to the movement of the plates. But the building materials would still be there, in concentrations far too high to be natural. Were we to find such a thing, we would have to conclude that all these metals and such had been gathered together by something. But we don't.
And, with something like the Voth, who must have at least had rockets before leaving Earth, the chances of finding their artifacts skyrockets, since, say, a moon base built 100 million years ago would still be recognizable as an artificial construction.
Alas, no such base would seem to exist.
So, uh, where was I going. Oh, right.
1.) It is possible that we are not the first sentient species on the planet, though it is unlikely, probably very unlikely.
2.) The Voth would probably have left evidence of their existence detectable to 24th century scientists.
3.) "Distant Origins" was a good episode anyway, or so I feel.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
If these guys evolved from dinosauria, then the evidence wold be very apparent by the 24th century. Archeology is a relatively new science to mankind and Paleontology is even more recent, but in a couple hundred years I just can't buy that no one, with planetary sensors and scanners everywhere on earth, has ever come upon evidence of a culture that would have taken thousands of years to evolve to spaceflight levels of inteligence.
If they had discovered that the Voth really were not from Earth (after jumping to conclusions)I would have liked the Episode alot. The acting was better than adverage for Voyager, but the premise was silly.
They could have also made the Voth from Vulcan or another Federation world and made it more plausable. Especially if the Voth came from Vulcan: Tuvok in Chakotay's place works much better for me, and Vulcan's past is murky at best (even spock was really suprised by the Romulans!).
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Mars. Mars needs Voth.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Oh, Mars needs everything. They're always knocking on my door in the evenings. "Hey, you got a screwdriver?" "Hey man, can I borrow your headphones?" "Got any movies?" Mars.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mars is the Homer Simpson of the Solar System. ....and he has this old rusty beat up moon rusting away in his front yard! Jerk.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Two moons and both possibly stolen, from the lot between his place and Jupiters.
Posted by Captain-class, Mike-variant (Member # 709) on :
i hear they need women too.. but im assuming that you know that.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
You call Demios a moon? If Phobos is a rusted car, then Demios is a duct-taped Vespa!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Deimos".
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What about Clarke?
(only a few of you Mars Trilogy readers might get this).
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
You mean Robinson thought that Arthur C. fits right in with "fear" and "terror"? Had the two perhaps met?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:If they are about two inches tall, then gravity and hovering won't present that much of a problem.
No, but then you introduce a whole other set of problems associated with really, really small things and intelligence and whatnot.
Posted by Thoughtcancer (Member # 480) on :
There's a dick joke there. Gotta be.
Posted by E. Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Well, there was. Now it's ruined.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Pft.
Posted by Captain-class, Mike-variant (Member # 709) on :
what ARE we going to talk about now, if there's no dick joke involved. YOU'VE RUINED US!
BTW, how do you type out the Breen noise, anyway. its liek 'REEE-ORRRaa*boop*click*REEEE-ARRROOOWW*click*, i think.
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