quote:AnimeOnDVD.com reported that Jake Forbes from Tokyopop had stopped by the forums to discuss the company's announcement at Wizard World LA that it would team up with a Japanese publisher to release a manga anthology based on Star Trek.
I've never been a fan of manga, so I'll simply not read it; but this can only lead to anime Trek, which I also don't care for. :/
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That's almost as stupid an idea as TNG meets X-Men.....oh wait...
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
I would love to see Geordi with a gigantic VISOR to cover his huge Anime eyes though. Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Don't forget the other signature items of Japanamation and manga: - Riker with unruly long hair - one eye permanently covered with a bang - All females have to have the figures of 12 year-old girls - AND be partially undressed
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Not to menmtion the plant-like hair, foot long necks on the women, pointy fingers without fingernails, either a strange button nose or a pointy beak nose, any old men are bald and will be letchers (that's gonna be strange), the youngest girl will be in a schoolgirl outfit with an extremely short skirt and everyone will have thin, arched eyebrows.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Not to mention the plant-like hair, foot long necks on the women, pointy fingers without fingernails, either a strange button nose or a pointy beak nose, any old men are bald and will be lechers (that's gonna be strange), the youngest girl will be in a schoolgirl outfit with an extremely short skirt and everyone will have thin, arched eyebrows.
*Bad mouthing manga in general? Marches to his doom, not giving a fuck!*
"Don't bitch about it until you see the product, people. If you pitiful fools think that manga sucks and Marvel Comics regular produces Pulitzer Price material, you should stop eating baby shit. it's un-healthy..."
Now that i got a couple of seconds to think before i go to bed, i'll nicely reiterate my bitch. Like all things, manga isn't created equal. you have good (OMG, GITS, GUNMN), bad (can't think of any specific titles but i know they exist) and waste of trees (a large portion of Marvel and DC books fit this bill especially). You all assume it seems that this idea will automatically suck ass, even before you see the product. Did you automatically knew ENT would suck when you heard about it? Voyager? Firefly? The movie Nemesis? Nope, you might of heard rumors (every one gets equal measure of assholes and rumors rations when your born, a dirty hospital fact) but you couldn't confirm nothing till you saw it your self or watched Sikell & who ever's review. so, pipe down, let them TRY and then see if it's work your time and $.
Now you may flame the shit outta me for my insolence to you (and i apologize, but i'm tired and more honestly vocal when i'm pooped)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Where are you getting these comparisons? No one said american styles or comics were better....just settle down there pardner.
I dont think ANY Star Trek comic has been worth shit...it just has'nt been a good medium for it really.
It could be... if someone like Alex Ross, Gene Ha or Tony Harris would agree to do the artwork for the book's run (as the actor's likenesses would at least be good) and if the story was written by someone with more than a passing familarity with the characters and series (something that sure was missing on the old DC run). Any Trek comic is a minefield of problems (even without tyhe giant bambi eyes).
Besides the obvious conon-conflict problems of such idiocy as an X-Men crossover, of course.
By "Magna", I dont brand the entire genre of Anime as bad (heck, in the right context-like Trigun, FLCL, DBZ, Lodoss War, etc.- I really dig the big-eyed look. BUt the "Magna style" is not the same as Anime style, and even when Magna is used on comic book characters (like Robin) it looks really poor because everyone already knows how the character should look: it comes across as lazy art.
Converting real people's likenesses into Mana is always shit: everyone invariably look like they're between 10-13 years old and "trek teens" is something I can easily do without. It makes real people into "magna templates".
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, thus far, the "badmouthing" seems to be directed at the general drawing style one gets in manga/anime. So, they are valid complaints, really.
"I would love to see Geordi with a gigantic VISOR to cover his huge Anime eyes though."
Isn't it only the women and children who have big eyes, though?
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
Pensive: I've got no problem with Manga or Anime, and if they want to make one out of Star Trek that's fine by me. I just have no desire to read it. But I have yet to see anyone in this topic bad mouth the entire Manga genre, we just took note of some funny recurring features of it.
TSN: The guys have it too in some Anime.
Just think of the contact lenses you would have to make for those eyes. It would be like the Hubble Space Telescope.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Isn't it only the women and children who have big eyes, though?
Nope: Watch the (very good) Inuyasha or Trigun. THe men's eyes take up about a third of their face's height.
Strangly, in Inuyasha, whenever he comes across a skull, the skull has normally sized eye-sockets. It boggles the mind.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
The big eyes are supposed to represent the "pure of heart" or somesuch, IIRC... villains usually will have very small, "mischievous" eyes.
And have you ever read "Star Trekker"? It was set during the TFS era, aboard the USS Constellation II. Here's an image of the cover:
There was even a guest appearance of Kirk and Co., "properly" drawn, in stark contrast to the main characters.
But I think the manga was banned in the US... too bad, since it was very funny.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Collect all 428 Tribbles! THEY EVOLVE INTO HORTA!
BTW, hi everyone.. after a month, the switch to a new DSL provides is finally completed.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by machf: But I think the manga was banned in the US... too bad, since it was very funny.
Why was that? it should be obvious but i'm not awake yet...
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
Something to do with "copyright infringement issues", I think...
IOW, Paramount whined about profits not going to their pockets.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Every reason NOT to do a Magna represented in one cover.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
How did they explain why Starfleet would have staffed a ship with four-year-olds?
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
They shrunk in the wash, like Picard and Co.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
"Big eyes" is a popular style in Japanese comics. "Superhero slugfest" is a popular theme in American comics. And yet there are many American comics about different things, and many Japanese comics with different styles. Honestly, go read Understanding Comics.
Having said that, I don't particularly care for anime (Beyond, say, FLCL and Cowboy Bebop. And maybe those pretty Miyazaki films.), and I've never read any manga, though I've read plenty of things which were clearly inspired by various Japanese artists, some of which I liked, some I didn't. But, I mean, come on. It is the 21st century.
(By "particularly care" I mean that I don't have any particularly fondness for the medium itself. I have seen things that I really, really liked, but I know many people who would be willing to watch grass grow in real time, providing it had lots of speedlines and (yes) big eyes. And tenticle rape, of course.)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: BUt the "Magna style" is not the same as Anime style,
You, sir, are talking out of your bottom.
Anime = animated manga. There is no different "style".
And assuming that all manga involves people with big eyes who fall over comically, have wooshy backgrounds, and sweatdrops appearing at amusing moments is like saying that all American comics involve people in tights beating each other up. Which, er, is what Simon said. Damnit.
The "big eyes" though are often the same size as the eyes characters have in, say, Disney films. In fact, the artist who came up with the blueprint for a lot of subsequent Japanese comic art did base his work off of Disney.
quote:and even when Magna is used on comic book characters (like Robin) it looks really poor because everyone already knows how the character should look: it comes across as lazy art.
Yes, because all superheroes are drawn consisently between different artists.
Honestly, if Bruce Wayne turns up in a non Batman comic, he's almost impossible to recognise unless there's a big unsubtle sign as to who he is. Like, say, standing next to the Batmobile.
Besides, I like Teen Titans.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
I would like to take this occasion to point out once again that saying it would be funny if Geordi had a huge VISOR to cover his eyes was a joke... As in not a serious commentary on recurring features of Manga and Anime artwork.
Not once did I say every character in Anime and Manga have big eyes. In fact I made a point of saying it's only in some anime in a later post.
No need to over-analyze a joke.
That being said, how are they going to get that tiny ring of hair around Picard's head to cover his right eye and will they dye his hair blue? Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Someone just reminded me of these pictures. The Doctor and his hearts are so innocent-looking and adorable. Sadly, there are none of Geordi and his VISOR.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
^^^ Awe, four year old Janeway and Chakotay finally got together for some underage lovin'.
Disclaimer:
This in no way is meant to suggest that all Anime or Manga Janeway's and Chakotay's look like four year olds, just these ones.
End disclaimer.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam:
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: BUt the "Magna style" is not the same as Anime style,
You, sir, are talking out of your bottom.
Anime = animated manga. There is no different "style".
And assuming that all manga involves people with big eyes who fall over comically, have wooshy backgrounds, and sweatdrops appearing at amusing moments is like saying that all American comics involve people in tights beating each other up. Which, er, is what Simon said. Damnit.
It's a case of a once generic term coming to represent a particular style: Manga has come to embody the "big eyed child look" unto itself (especially when in comic form!) All the manga I've seen (even at japanese import stores) that is someone's take on an established subject (like Trek) is just like the horrible (if drwan nicely for the style) examples provided on that "star trekker" comic.
quote:and even when Magna is used on comic book characters (like Robin) it looks really poor because everyone already knows how the character should look: it comes across as lazy art.
Yes, because all superheroes are drawn consisently between different artists.
Honestly, if Bruce Wayne turns up in a non Batman comic, he's almost impossible to recognise unless there's a big unsubtle sign as to who he is. Like, say, standing next to the Batmobile.
Besides, I like Teen Titans. [/QUOTE]
Bad analgy: "Bruce wayne" is an idea with certain paramaters (like hair color) but an actor playing a famous role (like Picard) stamps his likeness onto a role in a way that someone's drawing of a fictional person with no real-life association. A good comic artist could however represent Adam West in an elevator with other comic characters and you'd certainly know it was intentional- See Alex Ross's little gag cameos from celebrities in his comic art to see the diffrence.
I like Teen Titans as well (to a point) but it's NOTHING like the comic was- if they're doing a gag Trek book like "trek babies" or something, Magna may be the way to go (as much as Peanuts style figures might work anyway) but if they're trying to tell a serious story, readers will have to (somehow) get past their radical alterartions of their known characters.
It's two seperate things: one is people playing characters (trek), with a definite look we're all familiar with- and the other (Teen Titans) are characters in obviously ditinctive (from each other) costumes that were always intended to small variances between artists. It's why comic characters (in team books in particular) use such radically diffrent color schemes in the first place: to allow the reader to associate the character with the costume and not the likeness. Stick all your magna charcaters into gray suits with the smae hair color and yuo'd have a fun time telling them apart in a comic setting.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Manga characters aren't nearly as generic as you make out. And even if they were, the TNG cast would still be dead easy to tell apart. There's no way that even the most workmanlike of artist can make Picard look like Riker, or like Geordi, or Worf, and so on.
Besides, I've seen Trek comics. Western artists can't get Star Trek characters looking like the actors half the time. Manga artists aren't even going to attempt to get them "realistic". They'll just take certain key definable traits and stylise them. Whether you can cope with that or not is really up to you.
I just find it amusing that the anime-related humour on this thread is pretty much on the same level as Star Trek humour everywhere else.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
That's true. Manga artist definetly aren't going to go after "realistic" portrayal.
BTW, manga-Picard was done before: Here's his cameo in "Oh my Goddess!" manga:
As far as I can tell, manga Star Trek will feature believeable situations, realistic characters, solid character development which won't be gone before nex issue, and also ongoing storyline.
Can't wait to see it Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
The Japanese magazine Hobby Graphic used to have an occassional TNG manga strip back in the late 1980s. Although in full-on manga style you could definitely tell the characters apart. Maybe Masaki has a copy he could scan and post (I don't).
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Besides, I've seen Trek comics. Western artists can't get Star Trek characters looking like the actors half the time.
I'll certainly agree with that. As I said, Trek has never been done justice in comics (even expensive hardcover editions like the Gorn Crisis had terrible artwork and a story that would make even the most rabid fanboy groan).
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
This kind of artwork gives me nightmares: http://www.keane-eyes.com/ Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
More disturbing than Gieger.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
TSN, this represents so'called "chibi-dized", or SD art.
Chibi is japanese for "small", so this style will always depicts character as small child. It's just such style
SD stands for "Super-Deformed", and is even more extreme than chibidization - in this style chars head is almost as big as rest of the body.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Jason, seriously, you sound like someone who has avoided M-a-n-g-a and Anime a lot, you may need to update your files a bit.
Check out "Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade", it's a relatively new motion picture, by one of the most successful and serious Anime directors/producers.
It should be in every large video rental store. It's ultra-realistic Anime, in a sci-fi story set in the 60's, where Japan and Germany had won the second world war. I hear a sequel has been made too, that I must check out.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Kazeite: Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that it's four-year-old Janeway and Torres having some sort of slumber party.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
With a Chakotay doll.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: Jason, seriously, you sound like someone who has avoided M-a-n-g-a and Anime a lot, you may need to update your files a bit.
Again, you're yalking about Anime and I'm talking about comics done in the "big eyes style" (for want of an exact term). MUCH more effort goes into even the worstanime cartoon than into those comics (that I've seen at least)and it's the comics we're talking about here.
I like anime: in some instances, I LOVE anime. Not for Trek.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
And THAT is what the design of the Powerpuff Girls is based on. Not manga. Get it right, you lazy hack writers. Grr.
Christ, those pictures are scary, aren't they?
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that it's four-year-old Janeway and Torres having some sort of slumber party.
Well, can't 4 year olds have slumber parties? It's cute. Ish. Why is it seriously disturbing you? At least she hasn't got them having sex. At least she hasn't got two 5 year olds licking each other out.
I hate the person who showed me that site. Evil. Evil, I say!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
that is quite possibly one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen, next to the hard backed marvel comic book of The Motion Picture......
Tell a lie I actually kinda liked the comic book of the Motion Picture.. Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: Jason, seriously, you sound like someone who has avoided M-a-n-g-a and Anime a lot, you may need to update your files a bit.
Check out "Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade", it's a relatively new motion picture, by one of the most successful and serious Anime directors/producers.
It should be in every large video rental store. It's ultra-realistic Anime, in a sci-fi story set in the 60's, where Japan and Germany had won the second world war. I hear a sequel has been made too, that I must check out.
funny, you mention that, the "what-if" depiction of the back story to Jin-Roh. Having scooped up the new volumes out for Gunnm: Last Order, i read a surprising line in the the later chapters of volume 3 that Japan and a apperently victorious Germany helped establish the first colonies in the solar system. Intially shocking but after some thought it makes sence why the future depicted in Gunnm is so fucking bleek. I mean, the people is power are truely cruel and remorseless... and i always thought Desty Nova was a sick fuck...
Posted by Captain Mike XLVII (Member # 709) on :
The "fuck"? Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
^^^ Captain's Log, Stardate 10467.5, Captain Camryn Mannheim reporting. Since the Tyrellians we are scheduled to rendezvous with lack olfactory glands I have taken the liberty of not using the sonic shower for five days. I must say, my odor is quite irresistible.
That is just... wrong. Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Cool green ships, looks like Zentraedi attack cruisers.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
My guess: The female Captain that the Andorian wants is a self portrait of the "artist". Just a guess.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Looks kind of like Janeway's aunt, from Provo, Utah if you know what I mean.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Hey, that's my momma!
Don'chu you talk about my momma like that!!! Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Huh?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Oy!
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Since I did the Cait drawings for the TAS comic, I'll tell you what I know. The non-Enterprise characters came from the USS Exeter fan film, so the comic served to fill in some background details for the live action version, of which only one episode has appeared so far. But, I agree, that smell thing was kind of weird.Here's the actress:
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
She's not so 'big Swedish maid name "Helga"' looking as the TAS drawing of her... Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Agreed. She's actually kinda hot. The uniform really does it for me. Needs to be fit a little better though.
I have a feeling this thread is about to take an odd turn...
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Well, she definetly looks better with her hair down, as new adventures of Exeter will show... Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Agreed. She's actually kinda hot. The uniform really does it for me. Needs to be fit a little better though.
I have a feeling this thread is about to take an odd turn...
She needs the TOS push-up bra or the TOS cone-bra.
Something.....she's no ensign Watley. Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
What are the three guys in the back doing? Is this CapCom?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The redshirt appears to be showing the other two a grasshopper that he found under his station.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
heh heh heh...good one.
I'm still trying to figure out why shes wearing stretch pants...
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
I was going to say something crude, like the command-shirt guy was having a VD exam, but I'm not going to say it.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's a 23rd century commercial for Enzite. Posted by Highway Hoss (Member # 1289) on :
I, for one would love to see a Trek manga series. As one who's been reading manga for a while, I can tell you from experience that manga comics are no more alike than American comics. If anything, they are actually far more diverse than American comics.
I happen to own a copy of Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud (autographed by him, no less!) It is an excellent book on the untapped potential of the comic art form. I think that a Trek manga anthology properly done would be a real boost to Trek.
The problem is that in this country, comics have been very much marginalized as "kid's fare"; while a number of comics have been able to present mature themes and stories (like Alan Moore's "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen"...trust me folks, the movie is only a pale imitation of the comic..if they had done a true adaptation, it would have been rated NC-17 easy.) most American comics are still stuck in the superhero genre.
In Japan, by contrast, manga is much more a mainstream thing; comics in Japan cover a whole range of diverse genres and art styles. While most of us are familiar with the "big eye" style of art as drawn by, for example, Rumiko Takahashi (Ranma 1/2) there are also a number of other art styles in manga too.
One problem that Trek and other licensed properties that were done as comics have had has been that the comic companies owning the license usually put second string artists and writers to doing those adaptations. A notable example was with the "Star Wars" special edition movies that were released a while back; Dark Horse comics did both American comics and adaptions of Japanese manga of the movies. The contrast was noticable; while the "good guys" looked cute in the manga, the action was much more dynamic and the space battles much more exciting than in the American comics. The Death Star, in particular, looked downright terrifying in the manga; you never got that sense of the battle station's sheer size and power in the american comics.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
True. That shot of it with hundreds of Star Destroyers flying around it may have stretched believability a bit, but it did look cool.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Kail Tescar, the guy who produced the new TAS comic, tried to post some comments here but hasn't been able to register. So, he asked me to clarify some things about the "odor" scene.
1. "The "Odor" scene was an attempt to stress the "alien" side of Star Trek. Different races have different customs and such, so the scene should be seen from an alien point of view, not human.
2. The official Exeter production bible "bio" for B'Fuselek states that he's got a secret "thing" for Harris (the woman in question), and Kail thought it would be fun to utilize the "thought bubble", a comicbook staple, to express this. He didn't want the very alien B'Fuselek lusting after Harris like a human frat boy, thus the idea that the Andorians have hightened ofactory senses and that�he is�attracted to her odor. It's "sci-fi."
Posted by Captain Mike XLVII (Member # 709) on :
it comes across as a third place prize quote in a Flare CapCom
Posted by Curzon Dax (Member # 1481) on :
I am as big a trekkie (not a trekker) as I am a otaku. I think that making a manga of ST would be a grand idea...but...only if it is done right. If it is done it must be done with established artists not some nobodies that are part of the artist pool at Studio Proteus. Kia Asimya and Kenchi Sonada did exelent work doing mangas of Star Wars and Asimya did a really good Batman manga. The long and the short is if it is built right people will come. They can't do any worse than some of the horrid art that has appeared in some of the US comics.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Curzon Dax: I am as big a trekkie (not a trekker) as I am a otaku.
Two fatal mistakes in one sentence. You are winner!
(Not that I wouldn't read a Star Trek manga, but c'mon; "otaku"?)
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Even worse than otaku are "Wota" . Don't let this happen to you.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
One step from "furry".
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Japan is the worst.
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
Well the article mentioned that these subcultures can be seen as ways for frustrated late-gen japanese to strike out from the old army-indoctrinated conformity of Japanese culture. You know, with even parking guards and chefs doing salutes and groveling on the ground before their bosses? I'm just saying, maybe some good'll cum out of it down the road.
I bought the Avalon DVD and watched the interview with Mamoru Oshii, it was interesting. He's definitely not a stereotypical ipponese. Also, I finally learned the secret behind all the basset hounds he's inserted in his films.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
^_^
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim': Well the article mentioned that these subcultures can be seen as ways for frustrated late-gen japanese to strike out from the old army-indoctrinated conformity of Japanese culture.
Which means that there's no excuse for Americans to go around striking poses and shouting "Venus Star Power...Make Up!"
Posted by Curzon Dax (Member # 1481) on :
quote:Originally posted by Masao: Even worse than otaku are "Wota" . Don't let this happen to you.
No no no, we call these fanboys or girls. Break out the soap gun!
:{)
Posted by Curzon Dax (Member # 1481) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: One step from "furry".
But still above a filker. They give me hay fever.
:{)
Posted by Curzon Dax (Member # 1481) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam:
quote:Originally posted by Nim': Well the article mentioned that these subcultures can be seen as ways for frustrated late-gen japanese to strike out from the old army-indoctrinated conformity of Japanese culture.
Which means that there's no excuse for Americans to go around striking poses and shouting "Venus Star Power...Make Up!"
As opposed to going to a con and dressing up as Admiral K'rack and flashing your batleth. Believe it or not I am agreeing with you to a certain point. I love the costumes both from ST and anime for they are part of the culture, but on the other hand when they start appearing on the street for no apperent reason then I start to question my devotion to fandom. I really want to go up to them and give them Shatner's advice. Now where is my command cloak and my Sailor tiara!
:{)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Dressing up in costume (aside from costume parties/Halloween) is probably a sign of a seriously disturbed mind.
The criteria for "insanity" is a person's ability (or lack thereof) to interact with society in general....grown men/women too introverted to even speak with their "idols" is pretty sad.
And I agree with Liam on this one: there's no possible excuse for anyone to shout ""Venus Star Power...Make Up!" .
Unless it's a sex thing: then it's cool with me. Everyone loves a woman that'll dress up for you. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...grown men/women too introverted to even speak with their 'idols' is pretty sad."
In general, people tend to get nervous around people they consider "idols". I would think that a person who has trouble dealing with people overall would certainly run aground when confronted with an "idol".
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well the "Idols" in the linked article are underaged girl-models.
It's not like they're playing chess with Stephen Hawking.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Well, 16. Which is still a bit young, but not quite "under-age".
Tim is right though. Even someone as smooth and slick-talking as me can become tongue-tied when confronted by one of my "idols".
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
You have idols? Who are they, eh? David Beckham? The Powerpuff Girls? Tim? Jesus?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
No, they would be embarassing.
I did almost cry when I saw the Undertaker once though.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Well, 16. Which is still a bit young, but not quite 'under-age'."
Well, legally speaking, depending upon where you are, they would be underage. Remember Shik?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Exactly: 16 is jailbait here. ...unless you're wealthy/ famous. Then it's acceptable, if scandalous.
Hmmm....I was mabye a bit over-eager whenn I met Clive Barker, but not toungue tied. I was a a loss at what to say to pornstar Stephanie Swift when she was in my store making promo posters for some autograph signing thing acouple of years back.
It's tough to think of intresting things to say when you've seen them do so many dirty dirty things. Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"Want to do something new for a change?"? B)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Like watch Star Trek?
...hmmm...no.
I cant see that line by a pornstar getting me laid anytime in the future.
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
"Have you ever sucked off the devil in the pale moonlight?"
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
She almost certainly has though....
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Speaking as a guy who runs anime conventions (and of late as the host of the cosplay (costuming) competitions at several of them), I must admit that I've seen more than my share of disturbing fans. If Shatner knew about this, he'd have a field day.
Still, I've discovered that to the overzealous fan, a convention is pretty theraputic, offering an outlet for their personalities that normally being an introvert wouldn't give them. A weekend of being truly otkau-ish keeps most fans quite well-adjusted for the rest of the time. IMO, it's the fans who DON'T go to conventions who're the dangerously wierd ones.
And no, I don't costume myself. Not even as a "Yatta!" dancer. Not even if someone gave me the underwear.
Mark
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: IMO, it's the fans who DON'T go to conventions who're the dangerously wierd ones.
Doesn't that make about 3/4 of the people here "weird"?
Not that I wouldn't have loved to have heard Rachael Lillis sing the "Jigglypuff" song live. But still.
(Feel free to replace "Rachael Lillis" with "Iizuka Mayumi" and "Jigglypuff" with "Puririn" if it makes you feel better. Not that any Otaku worth their obscenely fat stomach would be caught dead watching Pocket Monsters anyway.)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The child I used to babysit for would sing the "Jigglypuff song" all the time.
I kid you not: i've heard some rendition or other of that song at least fifty times. God help you if that little number gets stuck in your head.
Of course, here, it's Pokemon. Doesn't make it any more watchable though.
...though still ten times better than the drek that is "YuGio!".
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Let me qualify that - I'm saying it's the SERIOUSLY HARDCORE fans who don't like to go to conventions (typically because they're introverted beyond belief, I've observed) who can be seriously wierd.
I'd also point out that many fans proudly call themsleves "otaku" because they don't understand the (correct) Japanese connotation of the word - in North America, "otaku" basically equivocates to "bigtime fan", not "introvert anti-social bigtime fan". Folks at conventions party, dance, and have sex with the best of 'em. I've never seen the like at any SF con, ever.
Mark <--- NOT an otaku, but I run cons for 'em.
[ January 25, 2005, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Curzon Dax (Member # 1481) on :
AHO!!! I help run anime con also and have helped run Trek ones too and it is theraputic for the fanboys and fangirls, like getting your long awaited hit. But still to go to a trek convention and seeing a Sailor Scout with ridges and a batleth or seeing a Klingon wearing a Evangelion t-shirt with his "I grock Spock" pin at a anime one gives me hay fever.
:{)
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Speaking as a guy who runs anime conventions (and of late as the host of the cosplay (costuming) competitions at several of them), I must admit that I've seen more than my share of disturbing fans. If Shatner knew about this, he'd have a field day.
Still, I've discovered that to the overzealous fan, a convention is pretty theraputic, offering an outlet for their personalities that normally being an introvert wouldn't give them. A weekend of being truly otkau-ish keeps most fans quite well-adjusted for the rest of the time. IMO, it's the fans who DON'T go to conventions who're the dangerously wierd ones.
And no, I don't costume myself. Not even as a "Yatta!" dancer. Not even if someone gave me the underwear.
Mark
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
Look, we've all run anime conventions at one time or other, it's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it. Take the casteless indian sewer workers for example, they don't get paid, they're just expected to perform. Also, thai boygirls. *shrugs*
Now, if we could somehow mix manga with Star Trek and MuminTrolls we may yet be able to turn this otaku wave to our favor, or else this time next year we'll get swarms of locusts.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Grok".
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I take swarms of locusts over "thai boygirls" any day.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Kinky.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Indeed. I'm in court-ordered therapy for it now, after the "Butterfly World incident".
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Butterfly.
Posted by Curzon Dax (Member # 1481) on :
Here here!
:{)---A otaku that runs conventions for them
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Let me qualify that - I'm saying it's the SERIOUSLY HARDCORE fans who don't like to go to conventions (typically because they're introverted beyond belief, I've observed) who can be seriously wierd.
I'd also point out that many fans proudly call themsleves "otaku" because they don't understand the (correct) Japanese connotation of the word - in North America, "otaku" basically equivocates to "bigtime fan", not "introvert anti-social bigtime fan". Folks at conventions party, dance, and have sex with the best of 'em. I've never seen the like at any SF con, ever.
Mark <--- NOT an otaku, but I run cons for 'em.
Posted by Curzon Dax (Member # 1481) on :
Better than fanboys dressed as girls. Achoooo!!!!
:{)
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I take swarms of locusts over "thai boygirls" any day.
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