Does anyone know how the Okudas decided which episodes of TOS's first season took place in 2266 and which ones in 2267?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Very recently I was asking myself the same question. I couldn't figure it out, so I was planning on firing off an email to Mike Okuda about it. Haven't done so yet, though.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Wasn't it just production year + 300? Season one was produced/aired in 1966/1967. According to the Concordance, "The Galileo Seven" was the first episode of 1967. It's also the first episode in 2267 in the Chronology.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
yes. i wholehearted dislike their methods, however. I still wonder why none of TOS s1 could possibly take place in 2265.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
All of TOS could take place anywhere from 2265 to 2270, as long as TAS still fits in. And production order still makes the most sense, as stardates and airdates are both nonsensical.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
i used to use a general rule of thumb that 1XXX.X stardates were 2264, 2XXX -> 2265, etc. up to 6XXX being 2269. (this was before the 2270 date was revealed on Voyager, however).
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Ok, thx. I think I'll adopt the following dates for my page: 2266 - WNMHGB + Season 1 2267 - Season 2 2268 - Season 3 2269 - TAS Season 1 2270 - TAS Season 2
And which dates were mentioned in Voyager? Just 2270?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Yep. Icheb said Kirk's mission ended in 2270.
BTW, TAS season 2 is only 6 episodes, and doesn't really deserve to be in a different year. TAS 1+2 is still only 23 episodes.
This has been done thousands of times, but I've drawn yet another timeline:
- Okuda's basic underlying premise seems to be the production month + 300 years. - He further places WNMHGB 'six months to a year' earlier than the first 'proper' season one episode (which is placed in September 2266). - He then claims (for seemingly no reason at all) that WNMHGB was 13 months, 12 days into the mission, as per some obscure stardate-system. This is by far the biggest anomaly in his TOS-dating.
That explains the red bars. If you fit five full years over that system, you get the green bars. The green timeline works well for the non-TAS universe, and before some Voyager writer introduced the 2270 date.
The blue timeline is my conjectural timeline. I've adhered to the basic 300 years assumption, but have removed the silly 2264 dates and added another year for TAS.
As for TMP.. even in Okuda's system, the 'two and a half years' statement only works if TMP takes place at the very end of 2271. I'd much rather put TMP somewhere in 2273.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"All of TOS could take place anywhere from 2265 to 2270, as long as TAS still fits in."
Or, even if it doesn't.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E.: yes. i wholehearted dislike their methods, however.
Why? There was obviously no exact date set when the show aired. And nowadays, it doesn't really affect anything if the show was 2260-2265, or 2265-2270. All they could do was pick an arbitary series of dates, and the ones they chose seem as good as any others.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Charlie X definitely takes place in November, of course, so season one seems certain to span at least two calendar years, depending on how much time you assume passes between episodes (on average). And since it is, like, what, episode eight? nine? six? well, early on, anyway; that suggests that the bulk of the season takes place in the following year.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Good point, Sol System. Didn't they mention Easter holidays in one episode, too?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Charlie X is the 6th episode (produced.. it was 2nd in airing order), not counting the pilots. That would place it roughly 10 weeks (2,5 months) after The Corbomite Maneuver. Fits reasonably well into the above timeline.
Posted by Ultra Manjuice (Member # 239) on :
Color Coded Chart. Oh man.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Holy crap, you guys are the geekest of geeks that ever geeked.
But I loves ya for it, my geeky brothers!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
quote: Charlie X is the 6th episode (produced.. it was 2nd in airing order), not counting the pilots. That would place it roughly 10 weeks (2,5 months) after The Corbomite Maneuver.
But what sort of spacing system are you using? For instance, my first assumption was that one season equals 365 days. For the first season, that gives us about twelve and a half days between episodes. (Assuming that episodes are instantaneous, of course, but this is just for averaging purposes.) But, on what grounds do we make this assumption? One thing that has occured to me is, what if TOS represents the entire five year mission? That is, if from either the second pilot or "The Corbomite Manuver" to "Turnabout Intruder" five years pass?
This whole conversation is the worst, though.
Posted by Kobi (Member # 1360) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: Good point, Sol System. Didn't they mention Easter holidays in one episode, too?
technically yes and no, the German version (ZDF) states in Charlie X that all the easter eggs are fully painted...
they also inserted a six week holiday after "The Immunity Syndrome"
Orig: I'm still looking forward to a nice period of rest and relaxation on some lovely ... planet. ZDF: Und nun werden wir wirklich unseren wohlverdienten Urlaub antreten. Sechs Wochen auf einem freundlichen Planeten. Vielleicht auf der Venus.
Edit: Forgot to mention that the 59.223 days in which "The Paradise Syndrome" happened weren't included in the Okuda Timeline...
and the novelisation of "The Survivor" mentions that it's Christmas on Earth...
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"Sechs Wochen auf einem freundlichen Planeten. Vielleicht auf der Venus."
I am not fond of German TV stations and their sickening obsession to resynchronize all things foreign, but that is just the most hysterical bit of subtitling ever.
Posted by Kobi (Member # 1360) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: "Sechs Wochen auf einem freundlichen Planeten. Vielleicht auf der Venus."
I am not fond of German TV stations and their sickening obsession to resynchronize all things foreign, but that is just the most hysterical bit of subtitling ever.
You haven't heard of "Amok Time"/"Weltraum Fieber" before, eh? compared to that translation a holiday on the Venus (which seems to be terraformed in Trek) is just a very, very minor nitpick...
It was the a common fashion in the 70s anyway...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Now, obviously I am a lazy, lazy man. I also went to one of the few schools in the country that thought Russian would be a more productive language to learn than German. So any chance of a translation? Pretty please?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
It says, and I quote:
quote: Six weeks on a friendly planet. Perhaps Venus.
LAUGH.
Posted by Ultra Manjuice (Member # 239) on :
OH MAN!
That isn't even a joke.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
In its entirety, it says "And now we will really take our well-deserved vacation. Six weeks on a friendly planet. Perhaps on the Venus.".
I assume "the Venus" is just idiomatic. But that first sentence? Do people really talk like that in Germany?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
In German, you mean?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Well, if you translate English literally into German, it also comes out as gibberish. For example, "Do people talk?" is complete nonsense in German. Or in Dutch, for that matter. That's why they are different languages...
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Sprechen Leute?" would be gibberish?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Just to check...are you challenging the multiple-language speaking Harry that you, Mr Tim "One Language" Nix, knows more German than him?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
En "Spreken mensen?" is evenmin wartaal!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Just to check...are you challenging the multiple-language speaking Harry that you, Mr Tim 'One Language' Nix, knows more German than him?"
"Know". And I was just asking a question.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: En "Spreken mensen?" is evenmin wartaal!
Dat zal wel, maar letterlijk vertaald (zoals TSN dat doet met zn Duits) is "Do people talk" "Doen mensen praten", en dat is wartaal.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Okay, with effort, I can usually translate German. Dutch, not so much.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Well, at least you can tell the difference.
Posted by Futurama IV Skin (Member # 968) on :
quote: That but litterally translated (such as TSN that do with zn German) are "Do people talk" "Doen people praten", and that is gibberish.
or
quote: That, however, but litterally translated (such as TSN that does with zn German) is"do people tallow" "to do people talk", and that is gibberish.
According to the computer brain.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Letterlijk inderdaad wel, ja. Ik ging uit van Tim's Duitse voorbeeld bij m'n vertaling, niet jouw Engelse, en had daarom geen rekening gehouden met dat pokkehulpwerkwoord. B)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Stop it, or I will start talking cockney.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
And then?
Posted by Pensive's Left testes for mayor... (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: And then?
*begins his ritualistic raping of Gerbils for the false deity Entropy*
what the fuck? oh, sorry, i was having a NWN moment there...
we were talking about Star Dates, right? Not german shit eating porn?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I think I get it now, but that's not the same. You could translate "do people talk" as, say "tun Leute sprechen", and of course it would be gibberish. But that's because you're not using any sort of grammar. You're just translating each word by itself. If I had done that with the original Trek quote, it would have been "and now will we really our well-deserved vacation to take".
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
HENCE "LITERALLY"
Posted by Futurama IV Skin (Member # 968) on :
ALL FOREIGN LANGUAGES MUST GO WAY OF SANS SERIF OR JON BENET RAMSEY AND DIE!
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
English is the first foreign language I'd think of, so...
Actually, I'd call English an exception among languages rather than the rule, other languages have more in common with each other than with English...
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
What?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Holy crap, you guys are the geekest of geeks that ever geeked.
But I loves ya for it, my geeky brothers!
Well it's great - that chart is fantastic! Posted by Kobi (Member # 1360) on :
does this forum have the split topic function??
I'd like to know more about the original topic
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Then go to page 1.
Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
Is there a thread left in flare that ISNT a complete derail?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The point is to cime up with unique topics that are compelling: that way it's more of a challenge to derail them to the point where necrophillia/religion/jeeps/Stargate (or some combonation thereof) become the topic.
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