Does anyone know of the status of the treaty after the Dominion War. Does it still hold up or can the Feds make cloaking devices.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The Treaty of Algeron was between The Federation and the Romulan Empire. The treaty signed after the Dominion War was one of surrender between the Dominion and the allied Alpha Quadrant forces, the Klingons, Romulans, and the Federation. I can't imagine it would addressed anything in the Treaty of Algeron. And since no episodes or movies have been produced since the close of the war that have dealt with the issue, no, nobody knows. Except the elves. The elves know everything.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
quote: The elves know everything.
Yes, yes they do and thats why I curse them every chance I get.
Anyways...What I meant to say was that considering the Feds and Rommies fought together during the war (and won), you'd think the Romulans wouldn't be so steamed if the saw the federation develop a cloaking device. Besides, doesn't the treaty say the federation can't develope a Romulan style cloaking device, what about a klingon style cloaking device or a stealth device made by some other aliens?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The treaty says the Federation can't develop cloaking technology. Something they've already quite obviously violated (see "Insurrection").
As for the Romulans being less steamed about it... Section 31 is already preparing for a conflict with the Romulans. I'm sure Romulan intelligence has equally cozy thoughts about the Federation.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
For every year the Federation abstains from cloaking technology, the Romulan forehead must grow by 5 millimeters untill there is a peace treaty between the two powers or untill the Romulans have Talosian-sized heads.
This notion of "head growing" originates with a biline in the original Federation/Klingon peace treaty that the Organians enforced. The lead Orgainain had brought up the entire "head growing" issue as a lighthearted joke to ease tensions on all sides, but the Klingon represenetive -having had far too much to drink- considered it a challenge to his honor and accepted on behalf of all klingons everywhere
To this day, that klingon is known as K'rell- the Dumbass.
...and now you know the rest of the backstory.
Posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn (Member # 1490) on :
The treaty was only thought up to explain the fact that Star Trek would be shit if everyone had cloaks, as all races would simply go about their business and never encounter each other. As Rodenberry said 'Our people are scientists and explorers, they don't need to go sneaking around' Likewise the Dominion and the Cardassians have no cloak and indeed the Klingons only have them because in Star Trek III the backstory had Commander Kruge stealing a Romulan bird of prey, this connection was dropped and the bird of prey (and cloak) became Klingon. The huge battle scenes in DS9 would be far less interesting if they were all invisable.
Sisco "How many ships?" O'Brien "I don't know, they're all cloaked" Sisco "Great, tell the fleet to engage cloak and set course for the station"
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
That and the Dominion during the war already had technology to detect cloaked vessels. I'm sure the Romulans didn't accidentally let that info fall to Dominion hands during the signing of the non-aggression treaty...
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Well at the time of STIII, I bet that the Klingons weren't on friendly terms with the Romulans, or even before that. Could it be quite possible that the Klingons "stole" the technology from the Romulans?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Er...how do you know the Klingons and Romulans were not pals back then?
Nothing specifies either way.
Cloaking technology does not seem to be a Romulan-only device- the Breen (as well as that race with their holo-cloak from Ent) have their own versin of it.
Posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn (Member # 1490) on :
The Romulans seem to have reached a degree of reproachment in Kirk's era, as demonstrated by the pressence of their ambassador at top secret military planning sessions in star trek six where he states 'mister president, there will never be a better time' it seems unlikely that the president would commit his forces to battle at the urgings of an alien agitator, rather than the ambassador was offering the star empires forces in any invasion of Klingon space.
Posted by FuturamaGuy (Member # 968) on :
how the hell can you make that assumption?
I'm beginning to think you need get off the oxygen tank, son, and go outside and breath some fresh air.
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
What? It sounds reasonable. But if that would be the case and the romulan(s) would stand ready to do battle with the klingons together with Starfleet, how could Chang willingly work together with a group like Cartwright and this romulan, when those two would do all in their might to screw Chang and his people over later, when the treaty had flown out the window?
Posted by FuturamaGuy (Member # 968) on :
Nanclus swings both sides of the fence, you say?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, it's an interesting question. I'd say the Romulan goal, in that situation, just happened to match up with the goals of the other conspirators. Not war so much as a stop to peace, or a certain kind of peace. The Romulans don't have much to gain if two of their on-again off-again enemies team up. (I think it's too bad we didn't see anyone try to use this to get the Romulans into the Dominion War later, from either side. Sure, you guys can sit this out if you want, but afterwards its likely ((not assured, by any means; see: The Cold War)) that the UFP and the Klingons will be a lot closer than they were before, and where will that leave you? ((With the idea being that they could either join the Dominion to ensure that both sides are destroyed, or at least defeated, or they could join the allies against the Dominion to ensure that they aren't left out of the new world order, as it were.)))
Posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn (Member # 1490) on :
The origin of the Romulan disstrust of the Federation is a strange one, its so central to their civilisation that a map of the Neutral Zone even decorates the floor of their senate. Their hatred for the Klingons is understandable, N'Ral's family were killed in probably one of many Klingon raids, its hard to imagine the Federation ever carried out attcks on Romulan space, and that the Romulan fear of them stems all the way back to the Earth-Romulan war. Or maybe its not the Human elements of the Federation the fear but the Vulcans and what they represent?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I strongly suspect the latter. Also, the UFP through its various actions may have come to represent the Vulcan ideals that originally so offended the Romulans.