"UESN"? Sounds vaguely familiar...
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
Bearing in mind that it's a first draft, it might have been quite good. It certainly sounds like it would have had some mainstream appeal(mainly because it sounds quite action packed), but I'm more comfortable with the movie that is being made. J.J. Abrams' production looks like it'll be far truer to the franchise's roots than "The Beginning".
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Despite some flaws in it's concept, and the whole "Top Gun/Starship Troopers" premise, it might have worked...had Enterprise never been made. But after four years of that crap, this concept would have died a quick death...which it did.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Tiberius rides a Harley Davidson Aero-Bike.
That just says it all, really.
P.S. What is Berman's obsession with Nazis?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Wow. Just... wow. (And I don't mean that in a good way.)
I certainly wouldn't mind a departure from the standard formula. I could certainly buy the premise in the broad strokes described at the start of the article, but the further it went, the more bizarre it became. The whole thing is contrived and oversimplified. I'm grateful it was dropped.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Yeah, they lost me at USS Spartan. Also why would Earth have two navies(UESN and Starfleet)?
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
A few comments.
Seems that in this script Starfleet is exploratory and the UESN is military. (In my Starfleet Museum, I have the military UESN merging with the exploratory UESPA ot form Starfleet).
"War is too important to be left to the politiicans" is taken from Dr. Strangelove. It was spoken by insane USAF General Jack D. Ripper.
Having a Romulan fleet sneak up by hiding behind the moon sees a bit implausible, given that the moon orbits the Earth. But I'm not an astronomer.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I guess I agree with the reviewer, that the described climax doesn't seem that great, but the setup is interesting.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Sneaking up from behind the moon makes no sense if you have FTL sensors of any kind. Enterprise had those. The only way around that is if you have a way to defeat those sensors, like... ding ding ding! ...A cloaking device! (Or similar, but less perfect, stealth technology.) Which would kinda make sense for the Romulans. So sneaking up from "behind the moon" is a ridiculously naive idea.
And the whole timeline thing seems ridiculous too. The plot description seems to suggest that the whole conflict was going to take a matter of months. Of course the summary could easily leave stuff out, but there seems to be absolutely no strategy, no sense of logistics, no sense of travel times whatsoever. Did anyone (the writers) ever consider that a war movie never encompasses the entire war in a single story? It's because the whole thing is too damn big to tie in to any one person or group of people. You always tell small stories set against the backdrop of the war.
And the idea of one ship dropping one nuke on Romulus to end the war (or even to give them second thoughts) is ridiculous to the extreme.
As for the idea of a secret Nazi hideout in Antarctica, I won't even dignify that one with ridicule. Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Oh yeah, I suspect the scriptwriter swiped the term "United Earth Stellar Navy" from my website, or used it despite knowing I had used it first.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Masao: Oh yeah, I suspect the scriptwriter swiped the term "United Earth Stellar Navy" from my website, or used it despite knowing I had used it first.
Lads, Lasses, Ladies please...
It's a gay script, it's retarded... and it's probably some crack pipe dream...
NEXT!
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Man, after reading this thread, I'm afraid to even *look* at the article for fear of going into blood-rage.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I thought it was hilariously mindless and jingoistic myself. Seriously, someone should give that script to Mel Brooks. It'd make a great follow up to Spaceballs. Or get the MST3K/Rifftrax guys to do a podcast to listen to while you read the screenplay.
The moon bit just had be in hysterics. I mean, ignoring for a second that the moon is supposedly inhabited, that there are stations as far out as Mars and Jupiter, there's these things called satellites that can cover such blind spots, even if they were any. It left me with the amusing image of a bunch of inept cowboys hiding behind a rock, trying to sneek up on some Indians.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
The more I think about the script, the more it seems like something out of an episode of Futurama. I mean this Tiberious Chase fellow sounds like a spoof of Captain Kirk that an actual ancestor of his. And then those ship names, NX-Omega and USS Spartan, I can't help but laugh.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
"Kif! I have failed to uphold Brannigan's Law! BUT!! I DID make it with a hot alien chick! And is that not what man has dreamt of since first he looked upon the stars?!?"
"*sigh*"
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
"He has the heart of a warrior and the soul of a poet. . . and they want them back!"
Ensign Ogg? Does he have a nanny?
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Don't forget Papa Otto, and girlfriend Penelope.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
I thought there was supposed to be a gritty, Saving-Private-Ryan-meets-Starship-Troopers sort of film with Romulan War ground fighting where most everybody dies at the end.
This was not it.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well if I recall correctly, that description came from the same person who thought Nemisis was a GREAT film and that "There are the Voyages..." was a love letter to the fans.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Every time I read or recall that particular concept about These Are the Voyages... I just want to go and punch him.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I just feel sorry for the guy. He'd obviously been doing the the job a certain way so long that he didn't understand when when the fans stopped liking it.
Posted by Mirror-Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Well, I liked it.
The Romulan-war thing, I mean. Not the rest. But at least it sounds authentic. It actually sounds like something that Berman would come up with if he had the opportunity to do a 100-million-dollar Enterprise-movie. Every small idea, every detail. Don't know if Jendersen was really in charge of his own script or if he was just a slave-worker for Berman and the suits (remember Generations? Even the best writers fail if there's too much pressure from the studio). But it feels like the latter
I can't and won't comment on Jendersen's ability to write a script since I haven't read it and probably never will, but he kinda missed the mark with that *idea* alone. You can stick to the rules or do something creative with Star Trek, but remember that, in the end, it still has to be Star Trek. This was clearly not. I wonder if he's ever seen Wing Commander...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: Sneaking up from behind the moon makes no sense if you have FTL sensors of any kind. Enterprise had those. The only way around that is if you have a way to defeat those sensors, like... ding ding ding! ...A cloaking device! (Or similar, but less perfect, stealth technology.) Which would kinda make sense for the Romulans. So sneaking up from "behind the moon" is a ridiculously naive idea.
This is te producer with no idea what a "binary star" was.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Sure he did. He just didn't know who this Nary bloke was or why he stood next to a Star. Ok, that was below the belt.
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