I've not watched many videos on said subject (SW vs ST) but this one made me think, once again, about what we might see for the next movie (assuimg they make it)...
There's plenty to predict what will be there (After affects of both Post-Nero & ex-Vulcan) but what else? I know ive talked about this before but... i play halflings (and they like to talk) so...
1) All the bad things that happened to the Federation previously within Spock's understanding is available (possibly) so Feddy planners & INTEL folks might make plans to blunt shut events (V'Ger, the Whale Probe, The Bontany Bay, the DDM, various space cromazamo, the Borg)
Now you can imagine that this knowledge presented to the Feddy powers-that-be around this time will probably be horrified at the very least, especially in the various ways Spock explains how they solved them (well most of them)
2) some major events that happen to the Federation's foes (Praxis for the ridge-heads, the super nova for the Roms) & how the Feddy's can overcome the clear denials that will result)
3) the possibly of all those things happening anyway, regardless of what the feddy's do to counter, blunt or neuter the danger(s)
Ooooo shinies..... anyway, Talk!
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
I want there to be Klingons. STXI entirely glossed it over, but the Nero & co. really went to town on their fleet too. So what are the Romulans going to do about it? Or would they prefer to go after the newly-weakened Earth, or what's left of Vulcan?
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
obviously in cannon terms, the question of what, militarially or otherwise, does the Klingon Empire or the Romulan Empire do to either benifite from this loss the Federation suffered from the destruction of Vulcan... do they (the feds) cheat, use time travel to unfuck this? Do they accept this, secretly conceiling that they could do something & choose not too (the reason they dont doesnt matter, only the politcal timebomb matters)?
i kinda wish the book writers wasnt so cock-held cause the-what-ifs are innumerous at this time...
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
How was Earth newly weakened? My big question is why the bulk of Starfleet appeared to be stationed in one sector, the Laurentian System. What could be so important there that Starfleet would risk leaving its core worlds defenseless, or did they just drop the ball and fail to perceive the magnatude of Nero's actions.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
STarfleet always drops the ball when it comes to protecting planets- earth in particular gets screwed but Betazed also got caught with it's pants down. in that case, it was said that their defenses were out of date- implying that each world (or at least those without philosophical reasons not to) is at least partly in charge of it's own defense.
Vulcan and Andor have an advantage in that they had spacefaring military vessels prior to Federation membership and likely maintain some sort of "home fleet"- particularly after the Cardassian War and Borg incursions.
...as this applies to the Abramsverse and it's poorly thought out structure of fleet opertions is anyone's guess.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Where do you go? Is there a Daniels in the future? What prevented the TimeCopFeds from stopping this? What about the Gaurdian? That's the problem with all the Time Travel crap. Where do you stop and say they CAN'T go back and hit that big red shiney RESET?
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mars Needs Women: How was Earth newly weakened?
All the Starfleet ships that Nero destroyed before the Enterprise got to Vulcan.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
uhh that was 6 or 7 ships, known Feddy cruisers, light cruisers, or frigates? or you talking about the much larger loss that the ridge-heads took? Unless Nero nailed several civilian or star fleet ships inroute to Vulcan, the only loss the feddy's stomach was Vulcan itself, the blow to the federation's base. The ridge-heads on the other hand, will merely freak, build a shit more ships & and maybe cause Praxis to go boom earlier...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by WizArtist II: Where do you go? Is there a Daniels in the future? What prevented the TimeCopFeds from stopping this? What about the Gaurdian? That's the problem with all the Time Travel crap. Where do you stop and say they CAN'T go back and hit that big red shiney RESET?
Exactly- that's why I look at the Abramsverse stuff as "an alternate reality" like the ones Worf kept jumping into in Parallels- not affecting the TNG timeline at all.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Of course. The events of the JJ Verse are entirely separate to that of anything we ever saw in 'normal' Trek. Meaning that reality can keep going. It just doesn't have Spock in it anymore, oh and there's no Romulus. That fits in nicely with the issues in All Good Things... that there was a problem with The Romulan Star Empire and the Klingons had taken over.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
reality for STO maybe, and yes, maybe for AGT's point of view too... but not the books, destiny (and back to the books are semi-cannon/totally non-cannon debate) wise...
its like the series totally fragmented after the last TNG movie... into so many possible realities... which continues to be prime universe?
as for Daniel's, maybe he can't interfer because when the temporal war was 'won', either they no longer had authority to intervine or the ability to...
i wonder... dos anyone know or have contact with some of the older power brokers in all things Trek, if in fact they too are gripping with these questions? or is it just a property to be managed like all TM'ed properties? o.O
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Of course. The events of the JJ Verse are entirely separate to that of anything we ever saw in 'normal' Trek. Meaning that reality can keep going. It just doesn't have Spock in it anymore, oh and there's no Romulus. That fits in nicely with the issues in All Good Things... that there was a problem with The Romulan Star Empire and the Klingons had taken over.
The destruction of Romulus doesn't necessitate the extinction of the Romulan Race. I assume there are other populated worlds in the empire.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Any future Abrams movie, will likely take into account none of these questions. Making it an alternate timeline was done precisely so they wouldn't have to worry about how it ties in with established material. I don't think we'll see a revisiting of Prime-verse events from the TOS era. This timeline will continue with completely different events. At least onscreen. I think the next movie will be a good old-fashioned action adventure thing. Freaky aliens, hot chicks, and Kirk will end up with his shirt off. Just like TOS should be.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
*nods* that would be the cheap & sadly, american way to do it... its how D&D has managed to say 'fuck-off' to previous royalty leachs over the years...
though i do agree on how you think it'll turn out... i just hope that they consider the big events in TOS/TMP/TNG histories...
surely it can't be that the arrival of Nero caused the DDM, Nomad, The Whale Probe, V'Ger or even the Bountany Bay to not happen, could it?
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Nero arrived after V'Ger, Botany Bay and Nomad were launched, so they'd all still be good. Whale Probe and Doomsday Machine, well... if you believe the novels, they're both issues with Borg so who knows what happened there.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
what book said that the whale probe was related to the borg?
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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
"In the Mirror Universe, Spock took the ISS Enterprise back in time to 1986 so as to retrieve some humpback whales who could then respond to the probe. When the two whales were brought back and deposited in Earth's ocean, they interacted with the probe and were transformed into huge armored leviathans, traversing the tsunami-swept oceans, and destroying entire coastal cities. Eventually Spock found a way to enter the probe and shut down its computer core; however, the damage caused by whale-beasts' rampage, as well as the probe's transmissions, left much of Earth's industrial capacity in ruins, a forewarning of the imminent collapse of the Terran Empire."
Silly Mirror Universe RPG Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
LoL, the lastest Mirror book totally kills that... (though its forced & high on unbelievable... but Sarek losses his head)
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