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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
Maybe we will see a reconstructed model in the 2nd season:
http://members.aol.com/IDICPage3/nomad.html
 

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Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
 
YAY!!!
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Heh...I remember an outdoor BG shot of a statue on "seaQuest DSV" in S2 when we found out Mark Hamill's character was actually an alien & it was of Nomad. Was even marked as such on the plaque.
 

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Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
 
how about a spoiler warning for the SeaQuest stuff


 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
A spoiler warning for a shitty show that's been off the air for 7 years? You're joking, right?
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Next you'll be wanting spoiler warnings for TOS.

"I've havn't seen the Nomad episode yet! you've spoiled the whole show for me!"
 

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Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
 

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Originally posted by Shik:
A spoiler warning for a shitty show that's been off the air for 7 years? You're joking, right?

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Originally posted by Reverend:
Next you'll be wanting spoiler warnings for TOS.

"I've havn't seen the Nomad episode yet! you've spoiled the whole show for me!"

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let me also welcome you to the internet. read all about that little greenish/yellow guy in the post immediately proceeding this one.
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
But you also posted the angry red e-mot-i-con. Do you see the confusion?
 

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Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
 
Well, I must complain also. I live in the Pollux star system, about 35 light years from Earth. My internet connection is piped through subspace, and is fairly quick to respond, although my 56K modem doesn't give me the clout to download entire episodes of Star Trek, my new favorite show (Did you guys see last season's finale? It was awesome! For a while I thought that Spock was going to stay blind! Pretty sad about Kirk's brother, though...).

However, in the Pollux system, there are no broadcast affiliates for NBC. To view Trek, I must wait for the television signals to travel across space at light speed. So I'm watching the episodes that you were seeing on your planet 35 years ago. It really upsets me, because I've been eagerly awaiting the second season premiere (I hear they're introducing a new regular character that I'm pretty excited about.. a Russian who looks like one of the Monkees!).

I'm not going to be able to see any of the second season episodes until this fall, and would appreciate that, if you are going to give away characters or situations dealing with the plots of season 2 episodes, to mark your post with the word 'SPOILERS' or with $ $ $ signs.

Thank you.

(P.S. No, I'm not going to buy the eps on video. Why would someone pay money for something they wanted to see? I expect you to continue treating 'Endgame' as $POILER$ material until at least your date May 2036 when I finally get to see it. I mean, how can you realistically expect to discuss an episode that only like 90% of you have seen!? It's so unfair!)

(P.P.S. Who the hell is Mark Hamill?!)
 

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Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
 

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Originally posted by PsyLiam:
But you also posted the angry red e-mot-i-con. Do you see the confusion?

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when you don't use emoticons, it makes everything confusing.

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No, I'm not going to buy the eps on video. Why would someone pay money for something they wanted to see? I expect you to continue treating 'Endgame' as $POILER$ material until at least your date May 2036 when I finally get to see it. I mean, how can you realistically expect to discuss an episode that only like 90% of you have seen!? It's so unfair

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Originally posted by Ryan McReynolds:
Seeing as this topic is not a spoiler, and the only mention of spoilers was in a later joke, why are we discussing spoilers? Does anyone have anything to say about the spiffy Nomad model that is already only marginally qualifying for inclusion in the Enterprise forum?

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Originally posted by Vogon Poet:

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Originally posted by Ryan McReynolds:
Seeing as this topic is not a spoiler, and the only mention of spoilers was in a later joke, why are we discussing spoilers? Does anyone have anything to say about the spiffy Nomad model that is already only marginally qualifying for inclusion in the Enterprise forum?

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Some people are such fucking killjoys. I have to ask, do you actually enjoy watching Star Trek in and of itself? Or are you too busy making technical notes about the show and wishing Seven's breats were a little smaller so you could see more of that MSD behind her?

Meanwhile, as resident Spoiler God, I'm a bit concerned about opinions expressed that if someone, say, in the UK hasn't bought the latest video or been able to see the epsisode on Sky, then it's their own fault if they get spoiled?

On the subject of "Endgame" I'm as bad as everyone else here, really. I saw it last year on Sky and have joined the majority in trying desperately ever since to forget the whole sorry mess. So we haven't been brilliant at guarding against spoilers. Unfortunately people restricted to seeing it on BBC2 will be seeing it any time now, while Australians will see it. . . God only knows. At any time we could have some newbie who fits those categories start posting here, you want to drive them away because they're obviously insufficiently-hardcore Trekkies?

So I can't believe that I'm seeing it said that "if you don't buy the videos or have Sky it's your own fault, you should expect to get spoiled" when just a couple of years back others were saying "if you don't live in the US or Canada it's your owen fault, you should expect to get spoiled." For shame!

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Originally posted by Siegfried:
But, back to the topic at hand, I really don't expect to see Nomad brought up in Enterprise unless Tucker or Archer or Mayweather bring up ancient Earth space-probe history. The launch and lost of Nomad happening over a century prior to the current year set for Enterprise, right?

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Originally posted by TSN:

"i'm guessing you don't understand what that little greenish/yellow guy with his tongue sticking out means. let me welcome you to the internet. that thing is called an "e-mot-i-con". that particular one gives an air of levity to anything that is written."

No it doesn't. It's representative of sticking your tongue out. Whether you're doing it out of silliness, derision, or disgust is something that needs to be implied by your words. Which it wasn't.

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no, you are wrong. the mad face followed by the tongue face is a standard formula in every forum i have ever participated in (which is a lot).
+ = "ooooh, i'm mad. oh, no i'm not, it was a joke".
 

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
You know, it might be helpful if I actually had read the page linked in the original post rather than just stared at the pretty pictures.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 

"no, you are wrong. the mad face followed by the tongue face is a standard formula in every forum i have ever participated in (which is a lot)."

Well, excuse me then. I'll go write a letter to the ISO and tell them they forgot to include that in their publications.

In case you didn't notice, you were the one who was misunderstood. By multiple people, in fact. I would point out that that suggests your "standard" isn't as standard as you'd think.
 

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Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
 
it's what they use at the hardforum, anandtech forum, genmay forum, techzone forum, firingsquad forum, blah blah blah. that is about 175,000 people. none of them misunderstands the formula. pretty standard stuff.
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Do any of these forums understand the concept of "capital letters"?

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it's what they use at the hardforum

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Now that as deserving of an "ooh-er" as anything else I've seen recently.
 

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Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF CAPITAL LETTERS. DO YOU? DRUNK SNAAAAAY!!!!
 

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Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
 
hardforum as in [H]ardOCP forum. do you understand the concept of english, PsyLiam? because i have used english several times to tell you that i don't use capitals at the beginning of sentences when i write e-mail or post on internet forums. i think the problem is that you can't read: you simply find sentences of the desired length in magazines, scan them in, copy them from the scanning program, and then paste them here. it's just been an incredibly huge coincidence that these random sentences have more or less made sense after being pasted together and have, more than half of the time, actually referred to previous posts in the thread.
 

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
I think you should shut up now.
 

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
 
We should cue up the TOS fight scene music right now....say from Amok Time. That should setup some nice atmosphere
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 

"...i have used english several times to tell you that i don't use capitals at the beginning of sentences when i write e-mail or post on internet forums."

So, what you're saying is that it's okay that you look ignorant, because you do it intentionally?
 

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Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
 
as a certain Michael Bolton would say, you guys can eat my ass.
 

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Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Ryan: look up the use of the word 'meanwhile' and its use in English grammar. The rest of the post wasn't about you, dimwit. I merely chose to single you out for ridicule because of your petulant whining that this thread was daring to drift away from its ostensible raison d'etre (something about Nomad, which = techie stuff, gosh what a surprise) to include such non-nerdlike elements as humour and, worse, things completely unrelated to Star Trek! I wouldn't go so far as to suggest you post in the Officer's Lounge, but do try to chill out a bit.
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
I'm confused as to why Jeff was shouting at himself.

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do you understand the concept of english, PsyLiam? because i have used english several times to tell you

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it's what they use at the hardforum, anandtech forum, genmay forum, techzone forum, firingsquad

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Originally posted by Vogon Poet:
Ryan: look up the use of the word 'meanwhile' and its use in English grammar. The rest of the post wasn't about you, dimwit. I merely chose to single you out for ridicule because of your petulant whining that this thread was daring to drift away from its ostensible raison d'etre (something about Nomad, which = techie stuff, gosh what a surprise) to include such non-nerdlike elements as humour and, worse, things completely unrelated to Star Trek! I wouldn't go so far as to suggest you post in the Officer's Lounge, but do try to chill out a bit.

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Um, gee whiz, I thought the whole point of this new-fangled moderating gig was to make sure things stay on topic and in the right places. If you want to "drift away from its ostensible raison d'etre," go post someplace else. I don't give a flying rat's ass what you guys jabber about in the Officer's Lounge for shits and giggles, just shut the fucking door on your way out.

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Christ, he's a mod five minutes and already he's developed an ego the size of Simon's, er, you-know-what.
 

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Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
 
man, the only reason i come here any more is because all the posts go off topic, usually with hilarious consequences.
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
And you're taking credit for that?
 

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Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
 
no.
 

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Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Mad!

There! Nomad! This thread is officially declared still-on-topic! 8)
 

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Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
That gag would have worked so much better if the thread hadn't gone to another page. . . B(
 

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Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
 

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Originally posted by Vogon Poet:
That gag would have worked so much better if the thread hadn't gone to another page(

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probably.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Me too!
 

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Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Detoo!

Quick! Ryan! Move this thread immediately, it's become a Star Wars topic! 8)
 

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Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
 
Blow me.

P.S. Okay, okay, you're right, all of you. No more of the topic-police shit.
 

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Was it ever said how big the original Nomad probe was supposed to be? I was just thinking about how small the combined Nomad/Tan Ru appeared to be in comparison to probes launched today.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
I too think Nomad/Tanru is quite small...
 

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Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
 
While I agree that threads should stay on topic (as they do in any intelligent discussion), the way to do it in Flare is this: people who want to stay on topic should reply only to people who stay on topic and completely ignore the distractors.

The problem is also in the list system -- an advantage of the old newsgroup system is that replies can be made to specific people, and were besides that a lot more coherent than in the new list system, where people can easily forget what other people have said and simply list their opinions instead of answering to and questioning the opinions of others. While there is still some of this, it seems that all too often consensus is reached through simple majority of the initial opinions, or through acceptance of the most creative opinion, rather than a process where everybody attacks each other's opinions mercilessly until the strongest theories with a lot of evidence survive.

Boris
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Which is great. Unless, of course, people simply ignored each others comments in the newsgroup. Posts could quite often get burried under 100s of others, and people might miss posts.

Another advantage of the listing system is that you don't actually need to put a signiture with your name at the end of your posts.
 

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Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
 
Under the newsgroup system, I could've simply ignored the people who replied off-topic and directly replied to the last person who posted on-topic. The people who want to stay off-topic would have to continue in their own little subthread. As in:

Relevant
  Relevant
    Relevant
      Relevant
        Relevant
          ...
    Irrelevant
      Irrelevant
        Irrelevant
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       Even More Irrelevant
          Even More Irrelevant
            Even More Irrelevant
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This way, everyone has their own space.

Under the list system, the relevant and the irrelevant bits are clumped together. That means a lot of visual skipping. Furthermore, the list doesn't allow encourage replies to specific people, which makes it possible for someone to skim through what has been said without really reading it.

Under the newsgroup system, discussions with the couple of people whose comments interest me are made efficient and will produce results that I'm interested in. The people who strayed off-topic can likewise have their own separate discussions and get the answers they want. The end result is that if the discussion about the Defiant's registry splits into a discussion about the registry, size, and class, we obtain some kind of a consensus on all three (well, there are other issues aside from the format, but the abovementioned format does help).

The list is fine for keeping everything together, but perhaps it could be reorganized so that one can reply to particular people and see those replies listed underneath those people's posts.

Or, if you really want the UBB style, then a moderator is required to point out when the discussion has strayed off-topic, sum up the issues at hand, and generally lead the discussion towards a consensus of some kind. UBB is not much different from roundtable discussions, and ought to be governed by similar rules.

Boris
 

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Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
 
Or, if you want to respond to particular posters, you simply include a mention of <name:> in your post, then type whatever you have to say and be done with it.

I don't really see what the big deal is though. Threads possess a natural tendency to wander. In fact, I have yet to encounter a newsgroup where STRICTLY relevant discussions don't eventually degenerate into irrelevant blabbering.

PS: Were I a moderator, I'd point out that your last two messages were decidedly off-topic.
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I believe Usenet etiquette holds that meta-topics are always on-topic. Though I am not sure that applies here. Frankly, it has never come up much.
 

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Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
 
Sure, threads have a tendency to wander, which is why newsgroups allow for replies to specific people -- the result is that the subthreads are sorted properly and thus everybody is happy. By comparison, the "K'mpec: shut up Targ: that's interesting" style is primitive compared to the specific reply option.

The UBB keeps everything together in a big list and allows for html and images which is good, but structurally it's relatively primitive and requires either a redesign or a moderator to work as well. Google Groups are using the traditional threading while keeping things in a list. It seems to work, and might be interesting to try over here.

The only problem is that the sense of community would be lost if a thread were to be sorted like that, what with all the tiny groups of people talking in each of the subthreads. Rec.arts.startrek.tech feels like a much bigger place, although it probably isn't that much bigger. The latest-reply order sort of forces everybody to read what the previous person has said, but if we want to keep things constructive, then the last person had better say something constructive rather than start a separate topic. Otherwise, we get a watered-down thread.

Boris
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
But this is closer to an actual discussion. Newsgroups are more like, well, people puting a piece of paper on a wall, and then others putting paper either underneath or off to the side or...

Sorry, I can't think of a decent analogy.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 

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But this is closer to an actual discussion. Newsgroups are more like, well, people puting a piece of paper on a wall, and then others putting paper either underneath or off to the side or...

Sorry, I can't think of a decent analogy.

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