Reed has some serious issues with regards to death. In this episode he tries to pass it off as just a near-mythic devotion to duty and honor, which would be believable, if he had let Tucker space himself back in "Shuttlepod One." But it seems the only one who "deserves" a heroic death is Reed. Nutty. And potentially dangerous. My suspicion is that there is more to it than just the story of his Great Uncle. But, we'll see.
Re: Romulans. Someone is lying, obviously, since even if Vulcan has no idea who the Romulans really are, they've fought at least one war with them post-Surak. But does T'Pol know? Probably not, since she didn't react upon seeing the ship, but did after hearing the name. But if the Vulcans have been fighting the Romulans, and your average Vulcan in the field has no idea contact has even been made, that suggests some serious cloak and dagger work. (Assuming that anyone remembers what is essentially a throwaway line from "Deathwish.")
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
I submit that the hundred-year war was that leading up to the Romulan exodus.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I am bereft of all reference materials at the moment, but as I recall, there was some mention of the war, and a "Romulan Empress" no? Well, while there's hardly any canon information about the whole Reformation event, it seems hard to imagine Vulcan fighting the Romulan Empire before there was a Romulan Empire, or for said empire to form on Vulcan before leaving. But, as I said, it has been a long time since I've seen that particular episode, and I can't look it up.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
The Romulan Empress was mentioned in a different Q episode, the one where he tries to sleep with Janeway. He says something about how he had his choice of various people (including said Empress) and chose her.
The hundred year war was mentioned in "Death Wish," with Q(uinn) responsible. I'm pretty sure they just said it was between the Vulcans and Romulans, without mentioning the existence of an Empire.
[ October 03, 2002, 18:39: Message edited by: Ryan McReynolds ]
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Right. The "Empress" was from "The Q and the Grey", and might have referred to a figure from the distant future for all we know. It's the Q speaking, after all.
And the Vulcan-Romulan conflict could indeed have been pre-Surakian. Or, since we again are talking about the Q, it might have taken place in 2678-2769.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
It could have been a Tribal Empress from before the Romulans left Vulcan.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Or, his truth was less than real....
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Vulcan and Romulus seemed to have had over the years a number of rather highly visual/important females in their society. Could this indicate that Vulcanian society might be a Matriarchal one?
Romulan Empresses, Diplomats, Commanders Vulcan Priestesses, Princesses, Sub-Commanders
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Well, apparently Sarek's family is described in patrilinear terms in ST3 - Skon and Solkar sound like male names. But that doesn't rule out matriarchal control of the society.
OTOH, there are prominent males as well as prominent females. Two out of three Kolinahr Masters were male. Sarek and Sokal are top-level male representatives of the Vulcan government. Many other assorted officials and military commanders are also male.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Compared to other 'societies' thought the Romulans and Vulcans do seem to have more women in positions of 'power' or 'influence'.
Compare them to say the Cardassians! I believe we've only ever seen one Cardassian female Gul... Gul Macet.
supposedly Klingon women aren't allowed to be on the high-council (although we have seen differently).
I think in most Romulan encounters in Trek we've seen a Woman.
Most notably in The Enterprise Incident, but even in things like The Die is Cast or Visionary. There has been a woman present. Even maybe compared to the Federation!!
Posted by Dr. Jonas Bashir (Member # 481) on :
You're forgetting that Cardassian Archon when O'Brien was put to trial.
IIRC, it was said during DS9's run that women are the cerebral ones in Cardassian society, thus more apt for scientific tasks. Being a society so 'devoted to duty', I reckon they have a strict labor division, then women are rare in the military, but more prominent in administrative/scientific tasks.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:I believe we've only ever seen one Cardassian female Gul... Gul Macet.
Gul Macet was the one who tortured Picard. (Or was it Madred?) Anyway, the one you're thinking of is Gul Ocett.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Gul Macet was the commander of the Trager, first Cardassian onscreen, and only Cardassian with a beard.
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
Gul Ocett was the female
Gul Madred tortured Picard.
Gul Macet is Dukat's cousin, and features prominnetly in the new DS9 novels (which rock BTW)
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
It would explain why those two looked eerily similar and were played by the same person. Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Speaking of Romulans, the future bad guy - someone suggested that he might be a Romulan. Someone also said something about the actor's name - I listed to him in one of the episodes and he sounds like the guy who does the voice for the captain of the Incursion from Star Trek: Away Team. Am I right or am I totally off the mark?
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
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