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Posted by StationMaster (Member # 63) on :

"Chief Vorta - A federation Ship is approaching.."

"You Dozy twit - I bet Sisko is on that ship"

"Sorry Vorta"

"What is that ship - something looks Different?"

"Its.....not the Defiant Its........The Sao Paolo"

"WTF??? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !"

*Vorta laughs so hard he hits the Auto Destruct button by accident*

STAR FLEETS NEW WEAPON - Humor........

serious though.............
You can name a warship the USS"Let kick some Crud" or the USS Night Terror, but Sao Paolo - who are the writers trying to kid here?

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[This message was edited by StationMaster on May 14, 1999.]

Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Oh, yes, Gringo? let's dump YOU in the middle of downtown Sao Paulo and see how long you last. . . 8)

Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :

I'm sorry I'm not up on my Brazilian history. What happened there?

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Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :

It's not what happened there so much as the fact that it has huge number of large, nasty slums and shanty towns.

Insert rant about evil nature of western capitalist corparations and weak willed governments.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

*wonders why we have recently abandoned keeping potential spoilers out of sight of those who don't want to know*

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Posted by StationMaster (Member # 63) on :

Sorry abut that - got carried away with the rant.....

But seriously - they name a war ship after a shanty town?????

Wonders off into the dark.........

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Posted by Trinculo on :

Sao Paolo is a major metropolis in Brazil. At least, there is no ship named Caligula or Sodom.

Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

I was talking this over with Sol the other day - the way that dynamic countries like Brazil are totally ignored by SF. I mean! All the rivers they've named runabouts after - and was there a USS Amazon? Was there hell! Sao Paulo is one of the largets cities in the world by population, and who knows what other significance it may have gained by the 24th century.

And meanwhile no one - NOT ONE PERSON - questions that a starship was named after Bozeman, Montana! And why should they? *does obeisance* It's in AMERICA, and there are no darkies, dagos, wops or wogs there. Jesus Christ, I ask you. . .

Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

I like the name Sao Paolo.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Cultural diversity is the answer.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Lee: Well, they named it after Bozeman because Brannon Braga (?) is from there, but I suppose a Trek-world explanation could have something to do w/ the fact that the Phoenix was launched from an unspecified site in Montana...

As for there never being a runabout Amazon, there also hasn't been a runabout Mississippi or Missouri, but we can't all have our ways...

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Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :

I think most of you who are dissin' the Name Sao Palao, are white boys. I bet you are the same people who would applaud and cheer if they named it USS General Lee, and would be offended if the named it USS Hoopdy (from homeboyz in outer space)

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[This message was edited by Brown_supahero on May 16, 1999.]

Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

Lee, you've hit the nail on the head.

Goffy, they're not really going to call it the SP. It'll be Defiant-A or I'm a sri lankan hermit.

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Posted by StationMaster (Member # 63) on :

Hummm - Am I some White boy from the USA.....?

LMAO!

Do I applaud at General Lee?.......I have no idea who he is - the most connection I had with that name is from the Dukes of Hazard!

FYI -I am an open minded Brit.

And no - I dont think the USS Churchill is a good idea either.

My point was the Defiant Class is a warship.
To name a warship something as obscure as the Sal Paolo - I am sure that only 0.000000001% of the Alpha Quadrant knows what a Sal Paolo is.
Does that strike Fear into the hearts of your enemies?
I am sure that if they had studied earth culture, maybe it would, however one cannot think that the Jem Hadar would really be that educated.

Personally I think that a Star Ship should be named after things on earth - ALL OF EARTH. The fact is Trek of late has been trying to address this issue if somewhat badly.
The USS Thunderchild for one.

However......you start hitting mine fields the minute you cross the culture barrier.
Sabre or Saber?

So far much of Star Trek has cover nearly all of the planet for names and cultures. South America however is one such place which has not been covered by Trek. I too wondered about the Amazon!

The point I was trying to make though was they could have come up with something a little more interesting to call the Defiant's replacement before it, as I hope, gets renamed.

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[This message was edited by StationMaster on May 16, 1999.]

Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

Well, since when is 'Prometheus' a good name for a warship. Sure, it's a tad bit more intimidating then Sao Paolo, but it isn't warship material.

Oh, and General Lee was the Confederated States of America's leading General in the civial war. And, yes, I DO have a USS Lee. Of course, in the same class, I also have a USS Grant, who was the US's leading general in the civil war, so it's similar to the Monitor and Merrimack naming scheme.

As for not seeing some of these ship names you want to see, think for a second. We know Starfleet has built nearly 75500+ starships so far. Last time I checked, my list was only 300 ships long, so we couldn't have seen EVERYTHING. It is likely that there are Runabouts out there called Mississippi, Missouri, Nile, Amazon, etc, etc, but we just don't see them. If we were to be given a list of EVERY starship it wouldn't give the writers much imagination, would it?

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Posted by Deep6 on :

Matt, just cause I love pointing out when your not exactly right.....Grant wasnt ALWAYS the Union general....they had something like 5....McClellan, Meade, Grant, and I dont remember the others.

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Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :

I was referring to General Lee in Dukes of Hazard.

Don't get me wrong i'm not totally racist about that show because it is about white trash driving around in cars. It did give the world that famous Daisy Dukes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Deep6 on :

Plus, has anyone ever noticed the US Navy's naming system....their warships have some of the dumbest names I've ever heard. Compared to some of those, Sao Paolo sounds very reasonable.

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Posted by monkeyboy on :

I thinnk the Prometheous is an ok name for a warship.

It has that connection to fire and the titans.

The ship I have problems with is the American destroyer or Cruiser, Phillipine Sea.
Just think it is a bit long.

Speaking of long, what is the longest name for a warship used in English and English translation from other languages like Chinese.

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Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :

Yes, I agree entirely, naming a ship after a sea or body of water is probably a good idea. Captain, I want you to take the Adriatic Sea to Phillipine Sea .
A...Sir...My ship is the Phillipine Sea.
lol

Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

What's wrong with Sodom? Sodom was a city in Genesis.

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Posted by Trinculo on :

Deep6: You listed the generals who fought in the eastern campaign. The Union had a great many more generals than the ones you listed.
Federation Shipmaster: Sodom is the origin of sodomy. (It would be equivalent to naming a ship the USS Maquis de Sade who had his name become sadism.)

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

*has always wondered why people get sodomized, but no-one ever gets gemorrahized* :-)

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

They'd better have an Amazon before a Mississippi (not the longest river in North America, by the way!) or a Missouri.

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Posted by Deep6 on :

Trinculo, wrong.....the ones i listed were some of the generals who were given command of the ENTIRE Union army, just as Lee was given command of the ENTIRE Confederate army.

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Posted by The Excalibur (Member # 34) on :

Hooker was another Northern General, and thee was another one before Grant. McClellan had the job twice. One General won the battle at Getteysburg, but failed to pursue the confedertes after the battle, and was removed, Beauregard maybe. The "Camp Girls" that followed Hooker's army were called Hookers, and still are today.

I didn't know Bozeman was the name of a town.

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Posted by Deep6 on :

Excalibur, George Meade won at Gettysburg.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Of course, the funny thing about Sodom is that there's no concrete mention of anything resembling the practice of "sodomy" going on IN Sodom.

That's not what "God" blew it up for, a fact often overlooked, as it is inconvenient.

I will say no more on this, unless someone decides to take it to the flameboard.

Continue discussion.

I have no problem with naming a ship Sao Paulo, though I admit the name isn't likely to frighten anybody. (Robin, Space Pirates are a superstitious and cowardly lot...)

And the USS Hoopty? Sounds like a ship even a Pakled could blow out of space. :P

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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

Don't forget William T. Sherman.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

I appreciate any name of non-US origin for a starship, but I don't like USS Sao Paulo for a Defiant class ship. It sounds rather like an Excelsior or Nebula.

I bet they will name the ship USS Defiant NCC-75XXX.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

BTW, here is a complete list of my (non-canon) ships, including many (still too few) names of non-US origin (in case someone responsible for starship labeling is reading this who is not eager to see his little hometown's name on the hull).

http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/temp/numbers-alphabetical.txt

http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/temp/numbers-sequential.txt

Luckily my USS Sao Paulo has a very low number, so I don't have to change it.

Bernd Schneider
USS Seelbach

[This message was edited by Bernd on May 21, 1999.]

Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :

When is this ship going to be shown.
I'm sick of those Bashir/O'brien buddy shows!

Posted by steamrunner2000 on :

Hey, Bernd, where is this list from?

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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

His personal information. No classes?

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