Or the Prometheus middle section, depending on how you look at it.
This is really ticking me off. Paramount is totally unoriginal. Anyway, the bridge is similar to the Prometheus. It also has a nice looking Master Situation Display at the back (quick, screen shot!). It also gets the snot beat out of it
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Posted by steamrunner2000 on :
359, where did u see this?
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Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
That was my first thought: the Defiant pathfinder. I disagree on the originality complaint. I think the pathfinder is a cool design and would love to see it on screen. I will take that anyday. The Relativity was original but I didn't care for it.
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Posted by Trinculo on :
The USS Equinox is seen briefly in the preview for the next episode. Size- Smaller than the USS Voyager (a shot shows the USS Equinox next to the USS Voyager) Nacelles- Like those of the Sovereign Class Those are the points I am able to make.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
It looks kinda similar to Voyager actually.. http://sti.simplenet.com/voy/stv526/stv526p_14.jpg
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
No, it's defnitely the Defiant Pathfinder. Look at this one.
And what does this mean? All together now:
THEY'VE SCREWED UP AGAIN!!!
I wonder how they did it. . . did they decide at the last minute they couldn't be bothered with designing a new ship, and pick that throwaway piece of sh*te from the DS9TM at random, or was it a case of "oh, we need some ship to use as a, hem hem, 'Defiant Pathfinder' to pad out the section on the Defiant in the DS9TM - ooh, let's use this one."
Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
Just to refresh your memory, the original Pathfinder top view (click on it to get a larger one):
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I think that with all the fan-made Nova classes out there, this is the best choice to avoid the possibility of a fan claiming that his/her design is stolen.
It's a very cool design. The front of the saucer looks even better than the original Pathfinder design.
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*braces himself for news of the Registry!*
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Yes, there ARE differences. The end result is more like a mini-Sovereign than anything else. . . but I thought this ship had been in the DQ longer than Yoyager? All the details suggest a pretty new ship, such as the fancy nacelles that evryone has theorized do the same job as variable-geometry ones. . .
It all comes down to the age of Janeway's hip. I believe that Voyager had already been in service a while, that this wasn't her maiden cruise - why? Because Tuvok knows too much about the ship, he couldn't have been told to infiltrate the Maquis just after getting the job.
And you think it might have been mentioned at one point or another that one of those cool new Nova-class ships had also vanished in the Badlands, at a time of relative peace with Cardassia and before the Dominion raised their ugly heads and disappearing ships became just another topic of conversation on DS9:
Sisko: "Hello there, crew!"
Crew: "Hey Captain!"
Sisko: "How's it going?"
Crew: "Bad."
Sisko: "Why bad?"
Crew: "We just heard the Heinbuch vanished near Cardassian space."
Sisko: "Oh, well, it wasn't a very good ship anyway."
(sorry Adam)
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Altair: good point (you posted while I was writing) - no-one comes forward and complained that the Defiant Pathfinder is like their own Nova design (and how could it? Most of them were crosses between the Ambassador and the Galaxy anyway) so it should let them off the hook.
Ultimately, of course, we'll all decide that the Defiant Pathfinder design was later turned from a warship technology testbed into a science vessel. . . but still, I suspect they've just been lazy and haven't thought it through.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
How'd the Equinox get so far ahead in the Delta Quadrant? Voyager has, been pushed 10,000 lightyears by Kes before she left crossing 10 years worth of space in a seconds, used Quantum Slipstream twice, and a Borg transwarp coil. Voyager has used all sorts of methods to get where she is in the Delta Quadrant and it's unlikely that a ship like the Equinox which seems relativitly new (considering the uniforms they wear it must of been sometime around Generations when all of Starfleet began wearing those jumpsuits) could be that far into the quadrant unless it found a wormhole or grabbed some alien warp technology very superior to Federation technology.
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Posted by Trinculo on :
The USS Nova and her sister ships I believe were commissioned after 2367. Wheter the ship is a carbon copy of the Defiant Class pathfinder or not, I believe is not important. I am happy to see a new ship. As for the registry, I believe the registry will fall somewhere between 71000 and 73000.
Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
*Not important?" NOT IMPORTANT?! It IS important! It's all that matters! *sigh* The youth of today. . .
Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
Hobbes has a very good point! How DID they get where they are now??
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Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
SPOILERS... | | | | | | V | | | | | | | V | | | | | V By breaking the Prime Directive and all those other pesky rules that the Voyager crew haven't broken. That's kind of the whole point of the episode's plot.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
I actually like this ship a bit.
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
I love this ship! It would be interesting to see what kind of advancements her counterparts in the AQ have had done to them. As for how they got so far, I have no clue. We know they were brought in by the Cartaker (or do we?..), but maybe they came across a few wormholes, or maybe the Cartaker gave them another push. However, I do not believe the Equinox was brought in by the Caretaker. Think about it: Equinox is a Starfleet ship manned by humans. If the Caretaker brought them in, why would he bring Voyager in too? The whole reason for bringing Votyager to the DQ was to see if they could replace the Caretaker. Obviously he had advanced technology that allowed him to scan the galaxy for lifeforms. If he had already studied the crew of the Equiniox, he would have already known that humans couldn't replace him. So if he already knew that, why bring anothe human ship in? It doesn't make sense to me.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
ID: We knew that. . . the point is, what have they done in particular to do so? And how come suc methods weren't available to Voyager, who had instead to rely on crewmembers achieving apotheosis, pinching technology from the Borg and others. . .
And more to the point, HOW COME at no point in their travels through the DQ have the crew heard about the other Federation starship that's ahead of them in space and are acting like complete bastards? Surely someone they encountered who'd knwn about it wqould have said something?
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
Well why do you think so many races were instantly hostile towards Voyager? ;-)
Actually, the idea that the Caretaker gave them a push soem of the way home would explain a lot, but this being Voyager it's more likely that we won't get an explanstion.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
It's nice, and certainly good to see on TV, but it's... not what I was expecting. It is a science ship, isn't it?
Okay... Another point. I think it's stated in "Relativity" that The Doctor was unique aboard Voyager at the time of comissioning... Or was it just rare? Either way, isn't it plausihle that they arrived in the DQ at about the same time as Voyager.
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Posted by monkeyboy on :
Also in the episode reletivatey, the ADmiral said that the Voyager was the most advanced ship in the fleet. This may mean that Voyager was new and that she was not old. The equinox left or was catapulted to the DQ in a small time frame prior to, Voyager's departure to right before the uniform change.
My other theory is that equinox was always behind Voyager. The equinox was sent to find VOyager and some how got propelled into the DQ. They may have had similair routes but could have been seperated by thousands of light years, even if their paths were parellel. Upon discovering some alien tech, the Equinox pblasts ahead of Voyager as she explores every single thing they come across that is intresting.
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Posted by Pedro on :
Well, I didn't read most of this (didn't want to get to spoiled), but I really like this ship. Looks alot like the Pathfinder to me, in fact, they are quite close to identical. Remember, the Pathfinder drawing was probably whipped out in 30 minutes for the book, so it's not surprising that the final ship is a bit different. Anyway, the design is clearly at least inspired by the Pathfinder.
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Posted by Pedro on :
And what's this about unoriginal? Star Trek has always carried over major design elements from ship to ship, and in this case they've simply built a model of a ship already published in a book. What's the problem?
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
Sorry to sound stupid, but.....
What is the Defiant Pathfinder. Is it the class name? I thought it was Nova Class.
Where dide the name Defiant Pathfinder come from.
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Well, I don't know what the Defiant Pathfinder, is either. I heard of it before, but it was a fanfic rendering that I saw, so I didn't think it was a real ship. I guess it's a Tech Manual ship, from what these guys have been saying. So, could you guys please elaborate? Is there a side view? How big is it? What kind of weaponry dies it have?
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Posted by Pedro on :
There's not much to it. The Pathfinder is a ship from the DS9 tech manual (they just show the top view). It was apparently a prototype for the Defiant class (designed for the book). I think there's a bit of info about the tech stuff, but I didn't pay much attention, I just like the pictures. Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Well, seeing how Equinox is a science ship, she probably has some damned good sensors. She was most likely sent to search the Badlands after Voyager was lost. My guess is that the Caretajer doesn't just pluck ships, he just leaves big wormholes in space to swallow up anyone who wonders by. The Equinox probably fell in too
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
As much as I like to be contrary, I don't have a problem with this ship resembling our plucky little, never really built, Defiant pre-design.
At any rate, the ship had to be grabbed before Voyager, because there wouldn't be any Caretaker to grab it after. It didn't make permenant spatial phenomena.
The loss of the Equinox doesn't seem like that big of a deal, anyway. Starfleet knew the Badlands were dangerous because they had lost ships there before. Enter Equinox. Though I do agree that someone should have said something to Sisko onscreen. But I'm sure he knew about it offscreen.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I don't like it. I don't mean the design (not that I like that, either), but rather the fact that they used the Defiant pathfinder. If the pathfinder had been that good, they would have built it instead of the Defiant. However, they apparently improved on the design (creating the Defiant), and then said "Ah, let's go ahead and build this old, un-improved design, as well." IMO, that's dumb.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Well, the DS9 TM may have been inaccurate with regards to the Pathfinder, or maybe the Pathfinder was just a modified Nova.
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Posted by Trinculo on :
Several points I would like to make- 1. The USS Equinox came before the USS Voyager. I believe the correct date of the USS Equinox's transportation to the DQ could be as early as 2367. My reasoning-in a second season episode of Voyager, Tuvix said that there was no record of a missing Federation ship. (I believe the episode is where Seska sent a fake transmission with a Starfleet signature. Signature was similar to Starfleet codes that were sent about a month before the USS Voyager was lost.) From the process regarding the USS Voyager's case, Starfleet takes about three to four years to confirm that a starship has gone missing and that there is no hope of recovering said vessel. Translation-all ships were accounted for. The USS Equinox was viewed destroyed or permanently lost by Starfleet. 2. The Caretaker died in the pilot and his station destroyed. BTW, he may have been curious about the crew of the USS Equinox and humans in general. In 2367 or 2368, there was no need for him to analyze the crew's DNA in great detail as he did with the USS Voyager and Chakotay's ship. 3. Neelix had no knowledge of another Federation ship. We know from his history that he had recently settled in the graveyard in 2371. 4. The USS Equinox had about eight years to get where she is currently present. Look how far the USS Voyager has gotten in five years.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
TSN: I still don't see a problem.
Say Team A is working on the Defiant project. They come up with a design, the pathfinder version, but later discard it in favor of the Defiant as we know it. Along comes Team B. I doubt the work of Team A just vanished into thin air. Team B sees the pathfinder, says "Gee, with some modification, that design would work really well with our design brief for a new science vessel. Let's run with it."
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, my impression was that the pathfinder was simply a very early version of the Defiant which was simply modified beyond recognition beofre being approved. Correct me if I'm wrong...
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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
I see it much the same way that Sol does. There's no reason to scrap a perfectly good body idea simply because you've found a more appropriate place for the innards...
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm going to go ahead and quote directly from the tech. manual. Probably do us all some good to see what exactly we're dealing with.
"The Defiant project, overseen by Admiral Batelle Toh of the ASDB, began with the selection of an existing spacecraft design that had just entered the initial systems-level review stage. No spaceframe had yet been constructed, and the hull shape was undergoing warp field interaction simulations."
So we've got an existing design, being simulated but not yet built.
"When the Borg threat drove the redesign of the pathfinder vessel, it was decided to compact the planform with warp nacelles and other structures..."
The pathfinder wasn't redesigned because of a flaw in the design, but because it wasn't suited for combat against the Borg. The original design could have gone back into the design pool, to be grabbed by those working on the Nova project.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
I like the Equinox, because it's a credible design.
BTW: Any official mention of the class name "Nova" so far?
Posted by Pedro on :
Well said, Sol. Besides, we all know that what really matters is that the ship looks good, which it does in this case. I'd rather look at an unrealistic swan than a super-real cardboard box, if you get my drift.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Who says that "cardboard boxes" or "wood chunks" are the only possible realistic look for a starship?
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Posted by Pedro on :
Nobody, it's kind of a joke....all I'm trying to say is that (in my mind at least), asthetic design is much more important than technical continuity.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
I'm relieved you don't take it so seriously. It sounded a bit like a "Star Destroyers are the ultimate design" argument.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Sol: Ah. Well, then... Never mind... :-)
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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
Something occured to me. Suppose the Nova class has the bridge module section and other details of the Defiant, like the Pathfinder. Knowing the size of the Nova, which should be a little over 110 feet tall (6*13'+2*16' decks = 110' and then hull plating), we can calculate the size of all these elements and use that to scale the Defiant
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
No, we couldn't.
Seriously, know all about part rescaling in Trek, so...
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
The bridge is more Prometheus/Intrepid based then Defiant, but it does seem to have the large alcove in the back like Defiant
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Posted by Dan (Member # 129) on :
It doesn't look too bad, but the element that ruins it for me is that Intrepid secondary hull. It just looks REALLY out of place. Then again, I've never liked the Intrepids all that much either.
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Posted by grb on :
By the way, the Equnoix (and the Nova-class) isn;t that same as the defiant pathfinder.....
The definat pathfiner had 4 warp nacells, and a unified hull, while the nova-class has two nacelles, as well as a primary hull (sacer section) and a secondary hull (engineering section). How do I know the defaint pathfinder had four nacelles? It said so in the paragraph below its picture. How do I know it has one unfided hull? Just look at it. A secondary hull under this half saucer and elongated tail would kinda have no place to be attached onto.....
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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
It's kinda unclear in the text whether the pathfinder has four nacelles or not....
There are some clear differences between the Nova and the pathfinder... the front end for starters. The nacelle pylons appear to attach further forward on the Nova as well.
It's unfair to say they were lazy and ripped one off the other... Sternbach designed both ships and obviously borrowed extensively from the pathfinder, but still came up with an original starship design...
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Uh...there isn't any text below the pathfinder picture.
*signature test*
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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
...the body text.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I think I like this ship better than the Sovereign class.
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Posted by Warped1701 (Member # 40) on :
Nope.
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Posted by Cargile (Member # 45) on :
It's a neat little ship. To theorize about who came first, the Intrepid or the Nova, I suggest that two (or more) subspace friendly warp designs were being tested. The result: they both worked fine but later tests showed the Sovereign style was better. Hence ships built in the same period with different nacelle styles.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
I'm amazed. . . you wait for ages for someone to commit one of the two special mis-spellings of 'Defiant' in "Defiant Pathfinder" - 'Definat' and 'Defaint' - and then someone does them both at once! Thanks, grb! 8)
