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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Today, while updating my Web page, I noticed that we see the Equinox from both above and below the Voyager in "Equinox" (VOY); despite problems with the angles, some rough scaling would be possible. I ended up with a length of about 155-160m, which is between the 140m and 180m of the diagrams in that episode.

Presumably, this would also be the length of the Defiant Pathfinder. Since the Defiant and Pathfinder seem to have identical bridge modules, they should be easy to scale against each other. Of course, they aren't necessarily the same, nor does the final Nova model necessarily have the bridge module in the diagram (although it does seem to). Nonetheless, using Photoshop, I lined up the Defiant's and Pathfinder's bridges.

In this image, if the Pathfinder is 160m, guess what length the Defiant is?

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

*takes a wild guess* 120 metres?

Which is precisely as it should-- *gets trampled by a riot*

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

*actually is forced to nod*

As you said though, the final Nova was quite different when it came down to the detailing. So this sucks.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

Too bad the Equinox doesn't have the bridge module of the Defiant

Speaking of that, I should probably mention that there might exist shots where the Defiant is larger. In "Way of the Warrior", it looks rather large next to the Vor'cha that's chasing the ship (the one it eventually tractors). Then Bernd mentioned a runabout comparison at the beginning of "The Ship", which needs to be checked out. Finally, some of the DS9 docking shots are actually full-disk views with rather small Excelsiors and Nebulas. Should have probably mentioned these in the other thread, sorry about that. But then, we were mostly arguing the validity of production information over onscreen evidence.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

I think Shadow's size comparison along with the MSD comparison is the best we can do for now, and thank God it's consistent.

Someone tried to draw a side view of the ship?

Boris: I will check the scene again. The Defiant was huge.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Nice how the two line up like that - look at the aft of the defiant - and how it lines up with the 'lines' or contours of the pathfinder's secondary hull!

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

I can't find a scene in WotW where the Defiant can be measured against the Vor'cha, although there are some instances of one ship travelling across the screen, and then the other ship follows, occupying the same point. However, the Defiant appears to be something like half the Vor'cha's size using that method.

I don't have the very beginning of "The Ship" on tape, so I can't check that scene.

Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

Frank: that's exactly the scene - Worf has "a suggestion", and then we see the Defiant alone onscreen when suddenly a green blast hits it in the tail. Gradually, the head of a Vor'cha is revealed as the disruptor blasts continue. A comparison of the head with the tail of the Defiant would be sufficient -we have the schematics for the rest.

Boris

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Here is the scene in question, although the camera is closer to the Defiant than the Defiant is to the Vor'cha.

Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

Hmm...looks like a pretty big upper limit nevertheless.

BTW, I made a little text file containing everything Rick ever said about the Equinox, except for the quote about six 13' decks and two 16' decks. There's a comment about the MSD comparison looking a bit off, and that Equinox should be bigger.

Boris

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[This message has been edited by Boris (edited July 13, 1999).]

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

I have checked "One Little Ship", but the scene I talked of was not in the episode. Sorry. The runabout is only shown above the Defiant, and the Defiant could be anything between 120m and 170m in this scene. I wonder where the tiny shuttle scene was featured?

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

the defiant is much closer to the screen than the vorcha - seeing as they were both making a tight circle, plus why are the ships 'banking' like Voyager does in the credits - there is no gravity - although with the voyager credits - there IS a planet near by- but there isn't here.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Cool... Frank missed the very beginning of "The Ship", too...

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :

Well, even though there isn't gravity in space, there is still inertia. Banking probably takes stress off the inertial dampners. It could also put the ship in a position where the thrusters and impulse exhaust directors could make turns tighter.

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Posted by Saiyanman Benjita (Member # 122) on :

I thought it was a very small ship.

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