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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

Well, while on vacation in Pennsylvania, I stopped at a train shop/toy store, and was looking through their Star Trek models, and found this model:

AMT/ERTL Pro Shop Lighted U.S.S. Yamaguchi

Now, first off, I am suprised that there is a lighted Ambassador model. Second, I am surprised they picked the USS Yamaguchi! Barely anyone knows that the Yamaguchi really exists! And third, once I opened it, the model's decals let you choose a secondary name for the ship, USS Excalibur! Where is the Enterprise-C?! As for the model itself, it's pretty good, but I have no clue how I am going to not only paint and glue it, but get the electronics all put it. I still haven't finished my Runabout model!

Anywho, did anyone else here know they were coming out with the Yamaguchi as a model?

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[This message has been edited by The359 (edited July 26, 1999).]

Posted by Starship Voyager on :

Aha! A topic I can answer with relative ease! (gets out ERTL model guide)

The Yamaguchi model was released on April 9, some three months after the release of the Enterprise-C, the unlighted version. While I have yet to purchase the kit, after suffering from spending an overwhelming fortune on the Prometheus, I've been told that both were well worth the wait.

For reference pictures from fellow modelers of the ship, I suggest you vist CultTVman's site, at:

http://www.Culttvman.com/

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I presume you're talking about a resin version of the Prometheus, and not a more readily available store-bought kit that I have somehow overlooked?

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

The Yamaguchi (which I did know about cominf out, BTW) was the one in "Emissary" in the shot with the Bellerophon...?

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Yes, or so is generally believed.

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Posted by Starship Voyager on :

Yes, I was referring to StarCraft's resin Prometheus. When I saw the ship on the show I just had to have her. If there's a more readily available kit, I'm there! (looks around...)

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

359: Presumably, the reason your model doesn't have Enterprise-C as one of the labelling choices is that it isn't the same design. The Yamaguchi/Excalibur-style Ambassador has an extra bay (an Excelsior rear shuttlebay) on the back ventral of the sec. hull, the primary hull is moved forward (?) a little, and there may be other differences, too.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

The Yamaguchi has the bussard collector cowlings, too.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Yes! Thank you, I knew I was forgetting one... :-)

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

Did the USS Excalibur have these modifications? And I think you can leave the extra bay off, and the Bussard covers aren't physically on the model, you have to paint them on if you want them.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

There are 7 main differences between the two Ambassador versions:
1. The Yamaguchi has a different Bussard collector housing.
2. an additional shuttlebay
3. a wider engineering hull
4. The saucer is moved backward, actually the Yamaguchi is about 10m shorter!
5. The Yamaguchi has an Excelsior-like sensor dome.
6. The bridge module is different.
7. There is a center part in the deflector dish.

The model of the Enterprise-C is correct except for 2., I don't know about the Yamaguchi, except that it has the additional shuttlebay. However, if the AMT models were not considerably different, there would be no reason to make the new one the seemingly unattractive USS Yamaguchi.

I'm planning to put up a page about the Ambassador versions, maybe Pedro can provide some more images, if only he would update his website!!!!

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

How could the Yamaguchi have a wider hull? Wouldn't that require an entirely new model?

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

It's the top halves which are different.

Enterprise-C: http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/models/1701c-studio-top.jpg

Zhukov, Yamaguchi: http://www.users.csbsju.edu/~rsorense/modelcitizen/trekships/ambassador/zhukov1.jpg

Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

The AMT Yamaguchi model has everything except for the wider engineering hull, which I can't compare to the other model.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Another difference I can see in those two pix. On the E-C, the pylons connect to about the middle of the nacelles. On the Zhukov, they seem to connect somewhat closer to the fronts of the nacelles.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

The end of the ship is different too. The shuttlebay has a small ledge that's connected with the nacelle pylons.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Actually, I think that "ledge" is the same in both models. However, since the Zhukov has a larger sec. hull, the shuttlebay extends all the way to the back.

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