1. Which Melbourne should be considered canon?

2. Spelling of Asimov of the Endeavour?

3. Endeavour at Wolf 359?

4. Running or stationary battle?

5. The presence of study models at Wolf 359?

6. The presence of non-canon ships at Wolf 359 (i.e., Righteous from Star Trek Borg, Hoagland from The Return)

7. 40 starships, or more?

8. Klingon starships? Romulan as hinted at in UP?

9. Smaller battles along the way?

10. Command ship after Melbourne was destroyed?

11. Some ficititous (yet not absurd) names for the ships destroyed that were not mentioned.

12. Ideas for Mars Defense Periemeter and a possible engagement in the Sol System before the E-D arrived?

13. Anyother tidbits? Ideas?

I know these reeks of non-canon info and requests but for a transcript/story it will have to. Sadly. Can anyone provide any details or knowledge or answers/suggestions for the above posts? Feel free to state your mind on what you'd like in a good Wolf 359 transcript.

Thanks,

DeltaVega

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This ships are from the Star Trek World Tour. They were listed on a plaque.

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2. Spelling of Asimov of the Endeavour?
CPT Amasov.

3. Endeavour at Wolf 359?
SAYS she was there, although I doubt it personally.

4. Running or stationary battle?
If you mean "running" as "towards Sol," then yes.

5. The presence of study models at Wolf 359?
What about it?

6. The presence of non-canon ships at Wolf 359 (i.e., Righteous from Star Trek Borg, Hoagland from The Return)
HELL, no.

7. 40 starships, or more?
40, �3

8. Klingon starships? Romulan as hinted at in UP?
Doubt it. Too far, too slow.

9. Smaller battles along the way?
Maybe, but nothing consequential. The occasional ship or 2, perhaps.

10. Command ship after Melbourne was destroyed?
Bellerophon?

11. Some ficititous (yet not absurd) names for the ships destroyed that were not mentioned.
Go here: J-Project. There'll be a numbering scheme/timeline note added to the FAQ soon, so look for that in a day or 2.

12. Ideas for Mars Defense Periemeter and a possible engagement in the Sol System before the E-D arrived?
Perhaps an implied engagement, a "Battle Of The Line" that was forming up but never saw action due to Data's command.

13. Anyother tidbits? Ideas?
Wolf 359 was probably at the same time one of the most demoralizing & the most emboldening action for Starfleet by 2370. The fact that they were hit so easily, that 40 or so ships were sliced through like paper probably alarmed them to the point where the dead were martyred & the defeat bolstered their further drive.

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"First wave, attack!"
*space dust*

"Second wave...uh, attack!"
*space dust*

"Third wave..."

"Sir, we're already space dust, I'm afraid."

"Crap."

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Which brings me to the third point: I cannot see Starfleet being capable of stopping the Cube or even forcing it out of warp, yet it did at least slow to nonrelativistic impulse. So the Cube must have *wanted* to slow down - presumably so that it could battle the fleet, assimilate more tactics and weapons, and eliminate those pests once and for all so that single ships wouldn't keep on making brave but futile attacks while the cube was trying to concentrate on assimilating Earth. If the Cube wanted to stop, then I doubt this part of the battle could be considered a running one.

5. All the study models we saw were obviously "there", although we might say that some of them were damaged extensively and in "reality", would have had e.g. more nacelles. And I think it's okay to say that all the ships had modern TNG-style paint jobs, since the differing paint schemes for the older models can never be distinguished from the screen.

7. 40+3 is okay, 40-3 isn't! 40 is the minimum to leave 39 dead, and at least one survivor to limp away with the lifepods.

8. One of the pieces of wreckage tumbling on the background in "BoBW" looks like a K't'inga...

9. One wonders if some of the Wolf 359 survivors pursued the Cube towards Earth but were destroyed or forced out of warp en route. Would these be counted as Wolf 359 casualties? The E-D should have bumped into them during its pursuit, but perhaps it did. In any case, most ships at the time were probably too slow to chase the Cube anyway, except for short stretches of the assault run.

10. I suspect the ship with the most experienced captain (assuming Hanson was the only flag officer present). This doesn't necessarily mean the biggest ship. Picard took command in ST:FC even though there was a Nebula in that battle, bigger than Picard's ship. Similarly, a self-proclaimed Borg expert among the captains could have taken over in the confusion of Hanson's demise.

12. Again, odds of the Cube randomly passing by the planets are impossibly low. I suspect the Borg did the grand tour, deliberately probing the defences of each Sol planet. Before destroying the futile resistance of Mars Defence Perimeter, they probably had gone through Jupiter Defence Perimeter and Saturn Defence Perimeter also (there's a strong Starfleet presence near those planets in TNG). The perimeters would only protect the planets in question, not the whole system.

Any local ships capable of warp or high impulse would have taken part in and perished in these outer-system battles long before the Cube reached Mars, let alone Earth, making a "Battle of the Line" impossible and leaving the field clear for the E-D.

Also, the defences around Chin'Toka seemed to be quite close to the twin planets. The Cube may have passed Saturn and Mars too far for Saturnian or Martian orbital defence platforms to reach to it in the scenes we saw, thus fooling us to believing there were no orbital fortresses there. Earth's fortresses are another matter - did the Borg just destroy enough of them to make a big hole, then sat in that hole until the E-D arrived?

13. Could the slow progress of the Borg, and their habit of stopping to fight at every opportunity, have been due to the deliberate influence of Locutus in his desperate attempts to slow down the assault? That might give Picard another reason to worry - his method of saving Earth was to deliberately kill as many of his kinsmen as possible, in the vain hope that this would give time for a miracuous rescue.

Timo Saloniemi
 

My question: Why where these Klingon ships in the neighborhood (sp?)? It would be logical that they would send any ship with weapons to the Borg Cube, if that includes Klingons, fine. But they still need to be close by.

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By the way, I thought its been determined that there's no real basis on the Melbourne=Flagship idea.

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Andrew

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The painting in Picard's room probably isn't from Mars, BTW, since there's that bluish spherical moon on the background...

As for Klingon presence, there did exist a grudging alliance. Perhaps a couple of diplomatic ships were near Earth - or then law-enforcement vessels hunting for renegades, as in "Heart of Glory" where we see an old K't'inga on the Romulan Neutral Zone, sporting a UFP logo on the bridge next to the Empire logo.

Timo Saloniemi
 

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